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Offline Da_venom

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2007, 03:19:57 PM »
ofcourse it would be great
but then again
you have to think of UB it's made to put missing stuff into the game
not to create new stuff for the game
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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2009, 08:29:16 AM »
Update ?

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2009, 10:30:44 AM »

-Mazzy's redemption of Korgan


That would be great. Having played with them in my party, I might say I like the idea and I can totally see that happen (if you never played with them, just read the dialogue where Korgan speaks of his past to Mazzy and you can see why he isn't core-evil). But I'm not sure of the timing in TOB (not much timespan), I mean it would be better if the redemption began in SoA, since things end rather abruptly there (Korgan says to Mazzy he will try for her sake to be less of an ass). In fact, this might be a great standalone mod, and I would love to work on it, but I'm a beginner modder so...

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2009, 03:40:39 AM »
-Mazzy's redemption of Korgan
That would be great. Having played with them in my party, I might say I like the idea and I can totally see that happen.
Having played with both of them in my party, I can totally see why that would suck big-time. There are two reasons why Person A might influence a fundamental change in Person B's overall behavior/personality:
1) Person A has a good deal more strength of character than Person B, and Person B wants to be better liked/tolerated by Person A.
2) Person A has a good deal more strength of character than Person B, and Person B wants to be more like Person A.
Obviously, #1 is more likely, as Korgan wants into Mazzy's steel-plated pantaloons. But are you actually suggesting that Korgan is a man of weak moral fiber, easily influenced by a single person of an alignment diametrically opposed to his own? On the contrary, Korgan is about as confident and self-reliant as they come, and while he might not mind a romp on the right side of the blanket for a change, that's almost certainly all it would be, and he damn well knows it.

Besides, this game is notoriously stingy towards Evil parties, with the entire saga leaning so hard towards Good that it's not even funny. Sarevok? Both calculating and barbaric in his cruelty, and you can redeem him. Viconia? Unabashedly selfish and endlessly manipulative, and you can redeem her. Edwin? He's not really even Evil in the first place, he's just power-mad. That leaves only Korgan, and you want to redeem him too? Screw that. The game needs a Corrupt Aerie mod (and possibly Anomen as well) a lot more than a Redeem Korgan mod, whether that was part of BioWare's original intentions or not.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 03:45:30 AM by SixOfSpades »

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2009, 12:05:59 PM »
Corrupting Aerie? Now you're talking.

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2009, 12:21:24 PM »

Having played with both of them in my party, I can totally see why that would suck big-time. There are two reasons why Person A might influence a fundamental change in Person B's overall behavior/personality:
1) Person A has a good deal more strength of character than Person B, and Person B wants to be better liked/tolerated by Person A.
2) Person A has a good deal more strength of character than Person B, and Person B wants to be more like Person A.
Obviously, #1 is more likely, as Korgan wants into Mazzy's steel-plated pantaloons. But are you actually suggesting that Korgan is a man of weak moral fiber, easily influenced by a single person of an alignment diametrically opposed to his own? On the contrary, Korgan is about as confident and self-reliant as they come, and while he might not mind a romp on the right side of the blanket for a change, that's almost certainly all it would be, and he damn well knows it.

If you recall last banter in BG2 SOA, Korgan already says that he will try to be a better man dwarf for Mazzy's sake, and it's not an act (we're not talking Viconia here). So, it seems Bioware has already stated it's reason 2.
And I'm not saying that Korgan should switch from CE (though his actions are those of a NE) to CG.
As for Sarevok and Viconia, those are Bioware content choices you can make (and Viconia redeem comes after a long long way and has a sad end, so you really don't have anything to complain about here). Here, we're talking about mod content. It's up to you to install it or not (as well as redeeming Sarevok or not by the way). If you choose to have Viconia, Sarevok, Korgan and Mazzy and redeem all the three evil bastards in your party, that would totally be your choice.

As for NPC corruptions, Nalia comes to my mind (she just lost everything at the end of her quest, it can gets worse with her abduction and the uncooperating authority), as well as Imoen (she got tortured twice, seems a good reason to change to me) and more Anomen content (he got his Chaotic Neutral corruption already after all) but Aerie ? Why would she be corrupted.

And I'm not against more "evil" content, on the contrary. But since the matter at hand is the Korgan/Mazzy Unfinished Business, I stated my mind on the topic.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 12:23:40 PM by Nijel »

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2009, 04:33:11 PM »
since aerie got tired of being weak and let het self be corrupted(due to evil humans cutting of her wings)
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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #82 on: May 31, 2009, 10:04:01 AM »
If you recall last banter in BG2 SOA, Korgan already says that he will try to be a better man dwarf for Mazzy's sake
By "better," he's probably talking about good vs. bad, not the larger picture of Good vs. Evil. At most, I can see Korgan willing to abide by higher standards of grooming and manners (and grudgingly tone down his bloodthirstiness a notch) in order to sway Mazzy over--but offering to throw over his entire worldview is something else entirely. If you're talking about "redeeming" him from CE to NE, I wouldn't really mind that, but if the change bumps him up to Good or Neutral, that just perpetuates the idea that evil doesn't actually exist, and that CHARNAME missed his true calling of psychotherapy.

As for Aerie, she's easily pliable (a hell of a lot easier than Viconia, Sarevok, Korgan, or possibly even Anomen during his moment of crisis) because she's immature, physically and psychologically scarred, emotionally rather shallow, separated from everyone she's ever looked on as a mentor, thrust into a world where she's constantly being attacked (sometimes by members of her own party), and in general almost completely out of her depth. If there was ever somebody you could knock over with a feather, Aerie is it.
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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2009, 11:15:55 AM »
very vague to say the least :D
but bhaal wanted to come to earth realm right?
and by doing that he would need a child(to poses that one)
or something
so bhaal would be able to live on earth again
with his godly powers

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2009, 11:33:58 AM »
I'm illogically attracted to NPCs that can change over the course of the game, so both a redeemable Korgan and a corruptible Aerie hold tremendous appeal for me.

I'm already convinced that Aerie is already plenty manipulative. She goes on and on about her wings, but if she was really as traumatized as all that, she'd never have survived it. No, she just wants the attention, and is milking the PC's sympathy gland.

And I just love the idea of Mazzy being able to redeem Korgan. In my world, it wouldn't be the PC helping Korgan get over his past, it would be Mazzy. So no more PC as therapist.

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2009, 11:58:43 AM »
true indeed:)

so annoying the pc has got to do all works:P
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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #86 on: June 01, 2009, 01:50:44 PM »
I'm already convinced that Aerie is already plenty manipulative. She goes on and on about her wings, but if she was really as traumatized as all that, she'd never have survived it. No, she just wants the attention, and is milking the PC's sympathy gland.

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #87 on: April 09, 2010, 08:30:49 PM »
Any update?

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #88 on: April 19, 2010, 04:25:59 AM »
I'm very interested in ideas that were discussed abuot missing ToB content. Anyone has archives mentioned in first post(with discussions from older forum)? Or maybe anyone remember those discusions, and could describe some details about list in first post?
« Last Edit: April 23, 2010, 04:59:26 AM by picollo »

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #89 on: April 14, 2011, 04:57:29 PM »
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Sarevok's remorse for Tamoko and Yoshimo

As I recall in you could talk Tamoko out of fighting you, I was wondering if that would come into play here

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #90 on: April 15, 2011, 01:08:54 AM »
Canonically, Tamoko ends up dead, whether you fought her or not. I suspect that any reference to it would be one of those things where whatever the PC might be able to say on the subject becomes your truth (unless you're allowed to lie, if it would make a difference... which could also be neat).
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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2014, 10:27:08 AM »
Any progress?

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2014, 05:11:01 AM »
Everything that's been done is inside the mod right now. I haven't heard of anyone working on more, except for Almateria in her SHS mod, but I know very little.
If you(anyone) is interested about anything that's not been included yet, you can also develop it yourself and either release it as a standalone mod, or include into UB.

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Re: Throne of Bhaal Unfinished Business
« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2014, 05:39:50 AM »
Well, let's go one by one.
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-Sarevok's remorse for Tamoko and Yoshimo
-Mazzy's redemption of Korgan
-The Cold Mistress in Saradush
-The return of Yoshimo (not likely...)
-Saemon disguising party as monks
-More obvious clue for WK
-Bounty hunters
-Melissan turning your friends
-Illasera's return
-The yellow dragon and his eggs
-Extended item descriptions
-Cespenar's Flask
I marked what UB as slashed, ARP as bolded and what's already been done in other mods in italics, namely Korgan's Redemption and Ascension, I think.
Now, what's left is the return of Yoshimo, which is completely baseless conjecture, there's not a shred of evidence of it ever being planned.
Cespenar's flask doesn't make sense, since we can move to the Pocket Plane whenever.
The yellow dragon has also no evidence of what was supposed to happen or even at least where it was supposed to happen.

So hey, thread solved!

 

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