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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2004, 06:05:25 PM »
Hard to say. I just don't think you would be penalized for something that wouldn't be in the actual players knowledge.

On the other hand, leaving one of the women behind, over one of the Men, could be consider bad because your leaving a girl in a nest full of pirates. Not really a pretty picture. Were somone as Keldron, Korgan (he would probaly love it there anyway), Anomen (not that many people on the board actually care what happens to him) would have more of a chance as they probally would attracked alot less attention to themselves. (And before anyone attacks me over it. Yeah I know their is women Pirates, but any woman living in such a male dominated society as that, one slip up and you probally would be treated as any other slave they have aquired)

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2004, 06:15:44 PM »
Sim's going to make it possible to send someone back with Calahan.  And then, hopefully (hah!) we can all agree you should be penalized for leaving anyone there (except possibly one of the evil NPCs, the ones you don't get Virtue penalties for killing outright).
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2004, 06:19:01 PM »
Will you be able to tell Ginia that you met her brother? Or tell Ason that you met his sister?
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2004, 06:14:25 AM »
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When the party meets Imoen, the way back to Brynnlaw is essentially barred, you have to pass through the Spellhold maze and the tests to reach Calahan. That still leaves you with a party of 7 to go through Spellhold
Sorry, I don't understand... If you can decide the prob
Really, I don't understand. If you could handle with this problem why you need Calahan?
 
Perhaps oe could ask Imoen to "wait until you've found asafe way out" and thencome backafter you've gone through the Bohdi thing and opend the doors with the minotor's horns.  She could kinda hang around your general area until you finish the tests.
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2004, 04:21:12 PM »
Sim's going to make it possible to send someone back with Calahan.  And then, hopefully (hah!) we can all agree you should be penalized for leaving anyone there (except possibly one of the evil NPCs, the ones you don't get Virtue penalties for killing outright).

I think it's pretty evil to leave an ally in the depths of Spellhold no matter what their alignment is.
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2004, 09:15:31 PM »
Yeah but why should you be considered evil in game for the Physical Engines limitations. Not like your characters knows theirs this mystal divine limit preventing him from having more than 5 other party members. Like you tell all the people that you get "After I help you I want to help Imoen" I a think it would be just as Evil to abandon anyone else in Spell Hold.

what?

1) BG2 only allows you to have 5 NPCs at one time.
2) The player knows this.
3) CHARNAME, the character, does NOT know this.
4) If CHARNAME, in-character, recruits 5 people to help find Imoen, should he be held responsible for the consequences of engine limitations he was unaware of?

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@ 3)- I think it would be a bit wierd if CHARNAME knew he/she can only have 5 people in his party. He would defy you and say, "I can have as many people as I want in my party!" only to find that he/she can't. After this, CHARNAME would realize such things as white text floating in the air, and time suddenly stopping for long to short periods of time. Finally CHARNAME would notice that he/she has no control of what they are doing, and that words that he/she can't control are coming out of his/her mouth.. but no noice is made..

Woah.. did I go to far there? 

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2004, 01:28:28 AM »
@ 3)- I think it would be a bit wierd if CHARNAME knew he/she can only have 5 people in his party. He would defy you and say, "I can have as many people as I want in my party!" only to find that he/she can't. After this, CHARNAME would realize such things as white text floating in the air, and time suddenly stopping for long to short periods of time. Finally CHARNAME would notice that he/she has no control of what they are doing, and that words that he/she can't control are coming out of his/her mouth.. but no noice is made..

Woah.. did I go to far there? 

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Just like my evil NPC wanted to have a decent rant with Korgan the other day about those d*** c**** and m*****f****** at the b****** just to find out it has been beeped out by sume strange godlike being unreachable to prayers after shipment of the game. :( I always had as many people in my party as I wanted, limiting my greedy wishes to 3 I must admit.
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2004, 03:27:43 PM »
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Besides, if it's the first time playing through the game, how would you know you need to leave a spot open?
Umm... Because the entire first part of the game revolves around getting Imoen out of Spellhold? Chances are that she might want to join your party  ;)

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2004, 06:08:36 AM »
No.  The first time I played I was glad that Yoshimo was a traitor as I didn't even think of it.  You get immersed in the game and don't think, and then you're stuck.

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2004, 07:41:29 AM »
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@ 3)- I think it would be a bit wierd if CHARNAME knew he/she can only have 5 people in his party. He would defy you and say, "I can have as many people as I want in my party!" only to find that he/she can't. After this, CHARNAME would realize such things as white text floating in the air, and time suddenly stopping for long to short periods of time. Finally CHARNAME would notice that he/she has no control of what they are doing, and that words that he/she can't control are coming out of his/her mouth.. but no noice is made..

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2004, 02:06:10 PM »
What about saving Sanik.

I think you should dump the idea of Calahan smuggling the PC and party out. He should simply say he can't smuggle  a party of armed people out  Smuggling out the exrta NPC is a good idea but having the party go on Calahans ship and strangly the Sahuagin still attack is kind of cheesy.

Calahan can simply say he can only smuggle out a few people safely.
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2004, 03:54:47 PM »
Why would it be cheesy for Sahuagin to attack? Their attack on Saemon's ship was a coincidence too, why wouldn't they attack Calahan's ship?

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2004, 03:56:30 PM »
The attack on Saemon's ship is due to the Githyanki not being to happy about the Silver Sword, as far as I know.

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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2004, 03:59:41 PM »
But the Githyanki attack is irrelevant. The Sahuagin didn't have a special reason to attack this particular ship, and it's their attack that sinks the ship.

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2004, 04:09:49 PM »
During the time period BG2 is set in, the Sahaugin and other evil undersea races have begun raiding cities and attacking ships along the entire length of the Sword Coast, though AFAIK they curiously don't attack any coastal cities in Amn.  See Mel Odom's "Threat from the Sea" series of novels and the "Realms of the Deep" anthology for more info.

So anyway, let's pretend the attack is tied in with these events (who knows, maybe this was actually Bioware's intention?), making the attack on both ships entirely justified :).
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2004, 04:50:31 PM »
I always assumed that the Sahaugin attack was someow related to the whole prophecy of an outsider coming to save their city and for this reason they monitored the surface for signs of his/her coming........
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2004, 04:55:56 PM »
I thought that you were initially just a target to them, but when the undercurrent brought you alive and well to their city, they started to think you might be someone special...

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2004, 05:06:55 PM »
yeah it's not very clear (probably the Sahuagin attempted to board the ship for the usual reasons except that things got more complicated with the Githyanki being onboard as well) it just seems more plausible that the PC was brought to the Sahuagin city rather than by pure sheer luck
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2004, 02:19:18 PM »
the most obvious reason is the Priestess saw the PC's party and realized she could use them to kill the King and put the prince into power. Why they attacked the ship in the first place is up in the air. Also by throwing in the idea that the smuggler can get the PC and party out kinda means Gina and her brother die because they went down with the ship.
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« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2004, 02:52:16 PM »
the most obvious reason is the Priestess saw the PC's party and realized she could use them to kill the King and put the prince into power.

too bad she didn't foersee what the king would do after she "convinced" him that the PC was the one

Also by throwing in the idea that the smuggler can get the PC and party out kinda means Gina and her brother die because they went down with the ship.

Assuming the Sahuagin will attack any ship that the PC gets on....
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2004, 04:09:56 PM »
Well, if they don't, I don't see how the PC is going to reach the Underdark...

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2004, 07:02:29 PM »
But the Githyanki attack is irrelevant. The Sahuagin didn't have a special reason to attack this particular ship, and it's their attack that sinks the ship.
Er.. it could also be argued that had the Gith not been aboard, we could just take the Sahuagin out.

The way I always understood it: the Sahuagin attacked ships randomly, the Gith divined the Silver Sword aboard Saemon's ship and board first, right?  The only reason the PC is (later) saved by the Sahuagin is because s/he's The One (and if I could find the boarding dialogues, this might be made clearer).

edit: and, now that I think about it (the actual dialogue), I seem to remember a lot of floating text.  ::)  Where would that be found?
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2004, 07:33:22 PM »
Githyanki: The Githyanki demand! You have the relic of holies!
Saemon: Pardon? I am sorry, but I do not know what you are talking about. Speak clearly that I might understand.
Gith: Understand! We see all that you do! Say mon HaVaran, you have trespassed and taken what is not yours!
...
Gith: The Blade belonging to the Githyanki is aboard! Detection does not lie! All will perish for this insult!
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Gith: Sahuagin?  I did not anticipate this.  Back to the ship!

(sahuagin, it appears, only speak with the overhead text)

[Then, in the Sahuagin city:]
What'er name: ...In good time, Feerlattiys.  Allow them to gain their bearings and discover why we have brought them here.  Otherwise, they may resort to hostilities.

Indeed.  Sekolah has spoken of these ones to us, so let us treat them not as prisoners for the banquet table.  Let us instead make them welcome.

I shall introduce myself to you.  I am Senityili, Royal High Priestess of Sekolah.  And you are in the City-of-Caverns, one of our most ancient places.

You are fortunate, surface dwellers.  In the normal course of things, creatures captured from the sun lands would be dinner for our plate.

This once, however, is different.  Sekolah has told of your coming in an ancient prophecy, and I have scryed that you are whom the Shark-Father speaks of.

The most exalted King Ixilthetocal calls for the presence of the prophesied ones, now, but there is time for you to ask questions if you have the desire.

...

We... Sahuagin, as you call us... have watched and waited from our temples here in the City.  The signs have come, surface <PRO_MANWOMAN>, and now you are here.

You have come... and the City-of-Caverns does, indeed, stand on the brink of destruction.  You will save us, as Sekolah has promised.

[So, there is nothing definitive in the dialogue.  Our journal entry doesn't add much:]

Journal entry:
The prophecy of Sekolah

Taken down into a city far below the ocean surface by the Sahuagin, I was greeted by High Priestess Senityili of the shark god Sekolah and told that I was intended for some higher purpose that Sekolah had fortold in a prophecy.

[I'm going with Nightmare on this, they're just randomly attacking ships]

Random guard: You are... the surface creatures.  I have fought many of your kind on raids to the surface shores.  The most exalted one has commanded your safety... for now.

Royal Sahuagin: They are nothing more than spurious beasts that have fallen into our lap.  We should sacrifice them and feast upon their meat!
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2004, 02:25:07 AM »
Well, according to those dialogues you were "taken" to their city, which suggests a concious action. Also, the Sahuagin knew of your coming beforehand, there were sighns that it would happen.

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« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2004, 02:37:11 AM »
Well, if they don't, I don't see how the PC is going to reach the Underdark...

There might be other ways to reach the Underdark (i.e there is an entrance where Elhan and the other elves are camped, the portal in Spellhold, etc)

Also, I'm not sure if I remember exactly but the idea of going with Saemon Haevarian (i.e stealing a ship from the Pirate Lord) was so that the PC and company would not have to go through the Underdark chasing Irenicus......so in terms of the story the only reasons for going to the Underdark would be to foil the plans of Irenicus' allies (i.e the drow) and to run into Elhan (with no way of avoiding this encounter).....


[I'm going with Nightmare on this, they're just randomly attacking ships]


Definitely it's safe to assume that the Sahuagin randomly attacked ships, but if the PC was to somehow secure another means of getting off Brynnlaw (i.e Calahan's ship or another ship) then the attack by the Sahuagin might not happen unless (a) the Sahuagin attacked all ships (b) the Sahuagin while randomly attacking ships were also vigilant as to some sign involving the prophecy (c) the PC is cursed or the Sahuagin are lucky  :D

of course it would be shame to miss out on the Sahuagin city and the Underdark........
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