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Currently under development...
« on: April 01, 2004, 03:00:59 PM »
Something Kish came up with for expanding Brynnlaw. You will now be able to have an NPC you abandon in favour of Imoen smuggled back to the mainland via Calahan. (The player will also be able to return this way if he or she wishes.)
Additionally, it will be possible to save Caiya's life (rather than her cheesy death cutscene) and escape Brynnlaw with her.

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2004, 03:19:16 PM »
Isn't it possible to just tell Imoen to beat it and meet you back in A.? Why smuggle her or anybody else back.  :o Isn't Caiya Sanik's girl you save from the house?? When does she die. Or is this all content of BoB? This is all so confusing.
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2004, 03:32:01 PM »
Can't remember who Caiya is, but as far as Imoen goes, if you want to pick her up (which you probably will, to prevent her missing out on even more XP) you have no choice but to abandon one of your current NPCs in Spellhold.

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2004, 03:36:56 PM »
That would be exactly the argument why I would either not bring someone I had to abandon (or he/she misses out on the XP) or bring Yoshi and force-trade him in Spellhold. I never use her and I think I saw her back at the CC.
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2004, 03:46:32 PM »
Isn't it possible to just tell Imoen to beat it and meet you back in A.?
That's rather--well, quite thoroughly--evil, since you have no IC way of knowing she can make it back alone, though the Underdark, without her soul.

I believe this will also include being able to send Imoen back with Calahan, right, Sim?
« Last Edit: April 01, 2004, 03:48:30 PM by Kish »
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2004, 04:00:58 PM »
Dang, you means my virtue gets hit by this??
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2004, 04:02:03 PM »
Caiya is that, err, girl-friend of Desharik, Saemon, and probably some other pirates as well... you're supposed to break into her house at night to get the horn for Saemon. She gets killed by Desharik when Saemon kidnaps his ship.

As for the Calahan parts - that poses some interesting story problems, though I'm sure you'll get them sorted out. :)
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2004, 04:05:25 PM »
I thought she was the  erm Festhall girl who doesn't get killed, because you rescue her. Now I also understand the whole thing, because this of course takes place after the house on the hill. :)
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2004, 08:46:48 AM »
I believe this will also include being able to send Imoen back with Calahan, right, Sim?
Yup, Imoen can go back with Calahan too, and it seems fairly evil not to take advantage of this. Although some people will come along now and tell me otherwise.

As for the Calahan parts - that poses some interesting story problems, though I'm sure you'll get them sorted out. :)
What do you have in mind? I'm fairly sure everything's worked out, but I always seem to overlook something.

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2004, 10:00:52 AM »
When the party meets Imoen, the way back to Brynnlaw is essentially barred, you have to pass through the Spellhold maze and the tests to reach Calahan. That still leaves you with a party of 7 to go through Spellhold, which I always considered the hardest part of Imoen's way back to Athkatla. Though other people might feel different about this...

If the party leaves Brynnlaw with Calahan, the Sahuagin encounter will take place anyway, I suppose? Somehow you'll have to get to the Underdark...

What do you do with Caiya after leaving Brynnlaw with her? If you don't include her as a recruitable NPC, she's doomed nonetheless during the Sahuagin raid; that is, if you don't rewrite the Brynnlaw - City of Caverns - Underdark sequence, or provide her with a similar means of escape as Saemon (Equal Rights for Players! We Demand Inter-Area-Teleport!).

That's what I can think of at the moment...
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2004, 10:05:43 AM »
When the party meets Imoen, the way back to Brynnlaw is essentially barred, you have to pass through the Spellhold maze and the tests to reach Calahan. That still leaves you with a party of 7 to go through Spellhold, which I always considered the hardest part of Imoen's way back to Athkatla. Though other people might feel different about this...
Right, Spellhold isn't a particularly nice place. But then again, the way's not totally clear once you're out, given that Imoen would be stuck soulless, on a pirate-infested island, with no money and little opportunity for passage to the mainland.

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If the party leaves Brynnlaw with Calahan, the Sahuagin encounter will take place anyway, I suppose? Somehow you'll have to get to the Underdark...
Yes. It will make sense, in a contrived sort of way.

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What do you do with Caiya after leaving Brynnlaw with her? If you don't include her as a recruitable NPC, she's doomed nonetheless during the Sahuagin raid; that is, if you don't rewrite the Brynnlaw - City of Caverns - Underdark sequence, or provide her with a similar means of escape as Saemon (Equal Rights for Players! We Demand Inter-Area-Teleport!).
I'm not planning to include any new joinable NPCs, and yes, it's not like she's gonna have an easy ride straight back to Athkatla.

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2004, 10:08:41 AM »
Have Caiya stay in the Snivrlsajhsadg;alg city so that you know she's *save*. Add 1 small quest to it. She should be attacked by some Drow that want her as a slave. You'll have to safe to city and Caiya. Or you could sell her to the slave leader in Ust Natha ^_^
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2004, 10:11:36 AM »
Kish's idea appealed to me, and was rather more sinister. And this has just raised a point, because I'm not sure how much of the quest outlines I should really be posting. Some people don't like spoilers, right?

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2004, 10:31:48 AM »
Right, Spellhold isn't a particularly nice place. But then again, the way's not totally clear once you're out, given that Imoen would be stuck soulless, on a pirate-infested island, with no money and little opportunity for passage to the mainland.
Hmm, okay. I find it harder to accept that she (or another NPC) makes it through Spellhold on her own, than imagining that I give her some gold to pay a smuggler to bring her back (pure imagination, I know).... Difference in perception, I suppose, and as it's your mod, not mine, I'll be silent now. :D

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And this has just raised a point, because I'm not sure how much of the quest outlines I should really be posting. Some people don't like spoilers, right?
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2004, 05:33:25 AM »
I let Imoen sort it out by herself. Not because I'm trully fiendish, but I can't take it to abandon an NPC in Spellhold.
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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2004, 09:45:51 AM »
Perhaps oe could ask Imoen to "wait until you've found asafe way out" and thencome backafter you've gone through the Bohdi thing and opend the doors with the minotor's horns.  She could kinda hang around your general area until you finish the tests.

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2004, 09:49:16 AM »
Right. She waits around until you've found safe passage out and secured a means of return to the mainland.

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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2004, 11:18:44 AM »
I let Imoen sort it out by herself. Not because I'm trully fiendish, but I can't take it to abandon an NPC in Spellhold.
Something stops you from taking a five-member party, or taking Yoshimo to Spellhold?  Imoen is not an NPC?
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2004, 02:37:05 PM »
A always take 2 mages, a cleric and 2 fighters with me ( I'm mostly a thief). So then I have no room for her.
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2004, 03:00:26 PM »
I let Imoen sort it out by herself. Not because I'm trully fiendish, but I can't take it to abandon an NPC in Spellhold.
Something stops you from taking a five-member party, or taking Yoshimo to Spellhold?  Imoen is not an NPC?

Besides, if it's the first time playing through the game, how would you know you need to leave a spot open?
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2004, 03:28:11 PM »
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Besides, if it's the first time playing through the game, how would you know you need to leave a spot open?

Well exactly.  The only reason I knew was because my fiendish brother ruined the story for me right before I set sail.  Damn him...
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2004, 07:29:32 PM »
Yeah but why should you be considered evil in game for the Physical Engines limitations. Not like your characters knows theirs this mystal divine limit preventing him from having more than 5 other party members. Like you tell all the people that you get "After I help you I want to help Imoen" I a think it would be just as Evil to abandon anyone else in Spell Hold.

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2004, 07:51:50 PM »
Yeah but why should you be considered evil in game for the Physical Engines limitations. Not like your characters knows theirs this mystal divine limit preventing him from having more than 5 other party members. Like you tell all the people that you get "After I help you I want to help Imoen" I a think it would be just as Evil to abandon anyone else in Spell Hold.

what?

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2004, 08:17:02 PM »
Yeah but why should you be considered evil in game for the Physical Engines limitations. Not like your characters knows theirs this mystal divine limit preventing him from having more than 5 other party members. Like you tell all the people that you get "After I help you I want to help Imoen" I a think it would be just as Evil to abandon anyone else in Spell Hold.

what?

1) BG2 only allows you to have 5 NPCs at one time.
2) The player knows this.
3) CHARNAME, the character, does NOT know this.
4) If CHARNAME, in-character, recruits 5 people to help find Imoen, should he be held responsible for the consequences of engine limitations he was unaware of?

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Re: Currently under development...
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2004, 09:14:04 AM »
I a think it would be just as Evil to abandon anyone else in Spell Hold.

That's just my point/dillema. Leaving Imoen in Spellhold or some other NPC.
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