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What's it all about?
« on: April 01, 2004, 11:13:35 AM »
"What's it all about?" aka "What the hell is going on?"

The Quest Pack contains a number of components designed to add additional adventures throughout Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn. No content is currently included specific to ToB. Some components may expand on existing quests, while others may be completely new. All are independant, can be installed separately and do not rely on one another technically or in terms of story.

The mod currently consists of FOUR components:

Additional Shadow Thieves' Content
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This component expands on the existing quests focussing around the Shadow Thieves.
The function of the component is twofold. Firstly, it allows the player to side with Mae'Var instead of Renal when assigned to infiltrate his guild. Secondly, it allows the player to eliminate Aran Linvail and his guild on the behalf of Brega in Chapter 6.
In the true spirit of thieves, this component allows the player to double cross his allies time after time, although not without consequences.

Alternative Xzar/Harpers Plot
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This component adds new solutions to the plot involving Xzar and the Harpers. It allows the player to warn the Harpers of Xzar's intentions, therefore removing the previous necessity of doing something unkind to Jaheira to commence her romance. On the other hand, the player is not bound to his word to help the Harpers, and an evil player may double-cross them if they so wish.
To gain the benefits of this component, simply begin Xzar's quest as normal. New dialog options should become apparent when speaking with the Harpers in the compound.

Extended Reynald Sequence
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Reynald de Chatillon is undeniably an intriguing character. Unfortunately, he disappears all too quickly in the original game. This component adds additional material after the original sequence has finished. The player is able to find him a new role in life, with possible encounters later on in the game too.

Money Lending and Debt Problems
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Unlike those above, this is a completely new quest, but also adds a new feature to the game: a money lender from which the player can borrow. Of course, while the player can try to avoid paying back his debts, this is not without consequences. And don't expect it to provide an easy solution to getting to Spellhold quickly.
The component also adds a new quest with a woman having debt problems. Expect the usual treachery, intrigue, betrayal, and so on.

All of the above components are complete, moderately tested, and voiced where appropriate. New ones are also in development, and I will detail them here as I deem necessary. In it's current state, it's probably pretty release-worthy, and I'm just waiting on a couple of things before putting out the first version. Watch this space.

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2004, 11:22:15 AM »
Shylock in A.?  ::)

Is there anything connected to the Black Lotus trade??
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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2004, 11:24:11 AM »
Nothing currently planned, no. It's a nice idea, but I'm given to understand that you're planning to develop it?

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2004, 11:38:45 AM »
Wow, Sim reveals a SEKRAT PROJEKT!!!!1111

And it sounds excellent, this is exactly the kind of mod the game needs - more new quests!  ;D

Perhaps you will take contributions to it?

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2004, 11:46:24 AM »
I'd like to, but I am still in the concept stage reading background stuff. So I am not threatening anyone right now. It should involve a lot of tricky talking quests, perhaps with more class/stat checks, and very different outcome depending on your alignment.

I see it as a very non-hierarchical merchant organisation paying a 'license fee' to the ST, the council and everybody who has a stake in this trade, which is basically everybody. It is not like you can simply walk into their HQ and slay the big boss and be the hero of the day. Since nobody will be very forthcoming with information even paladins will have to infiltrate the network and make difficult choices, Donnie Brasco IIRC style. I just have to make sure I do not cross with any UB component or any of your new stuff that would invalidate the plot.
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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2004, 11:47:30 AM »
Does the Xzar component contain that option I suggested? :)

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2004, 02:47:53 PM »
Yes. Um, I thought I sent you the beta to try out?

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2004, 05:29:03 PM »
You did. I was just wondering if it was still there.

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2004, 05:48:47 PM »
Yes. Um, I thought I sent you the beta to try out?

Ah, a nice pleasent suprise.  :D

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2004, 06:56:29 PM »
Hello, April fools' Ding0.

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2004, 08:50:41 AM »
Sounds really good, more quests is just what the game needs.
Maybe there good be more quests be a spin-off of something Boiware didn't finish or deleted in the final version.
Sort of like teh UB.
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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2004, 10:21:55 AM »
Most of what I've got so far is expanding stuff Bioware didn't develop sufficiently in my (or more accurately, my quest idea people's) eyes. On the other hand, I'm not exclusively looking at doing that, so totally new stuff isn't out of the question (see Money Lender component).

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2004, 10:17:05 AM »
This mod sounds pretty cool. :) I'm wondering, will the quests be harder or about the same difficulty as the original ones? Should I expect to get my butt kicked in any fights?

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2004, 10:39:29 AM »
One of my primary goals is to mesh seamlessly with the original game, so the user should not be aware that they are playing mod content. This involves, among other things, ensuring that the difficulty remains consistent with the rest of the game. In beta testing, which I need to get around to organising at some point, one of the critera I will be seeking feedback on is difficulty of battles.

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2004, 11:51:16 AM »
How far into development have you gone for this?

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2004, 12:03:37 PM »
Well there's a bit up the top that says "All of the above components are complete, moderately tested, and voiced where appropriate."

I wasn't lying. :)

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2004, 09:29:11 PM »
As usual I did read it, I just seem to have forgotten it.

So what exactly are those details that you are waiting for?

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2004, 03:18:56 PM »
Not to sound like a stick in the mud, but I don't think you should be allowed to rout the Shadow Thieves from Amn. This is because the main leader of the shadow thieves, even above Renal, is a member of the council of six. Strange as it may seem the shadow thieves have ALOT of sway in the city of coin.
Perhaps one solution to this would be to have Brega (sp?) give you a mission to eliminate the ST from Athkatla, but when you get into the compoud there is no one there, when you return to Brega he is missing (very permenently). You would later be approached by an thief telling you it would be wise if you ignored Brega's quest and left the city.
When you refuse -> fight with many thiefs, but no major players in the guild are present
If you agree -> Thief sauters off hapily.
Either way you never see anyone in the thief compound again ( they have presumably moved). Perhaps you could find Brega's body in the sewers or by the water (docks or brige).

Just some ideas to ensure that the plot is plausible. If the problem is solved already, just ignore this post.
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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2004, 03:32:29 PM »
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I don't think you should be allowed to rout the Shadow Thieves from Amn.
The Shadow thieves cannot be destroyed by the player at this stage, if I read that post at the top correctly. You merely get another reason for going with the thieves option in the first place which will suit all the righteous people out there.
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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2004, 11:26:39 AM »
You can slaughter everyone in the Thieves' guild, Aran included, on Brega's quest. This is no different, really, from working for Bodhi. The Shadow Thieves would not be totally routed, but certainly weakened.

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2004, 12:39:44 PM »
But wouldn't Brega give Paladin types at least a veil for their moral issues? I meant they can always claim they had to do this to uphold the law or something.
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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2004, 12:42:29 PM »
...yes. But I'm saying killing Linvail isn't the end of the world, because you can do it in the original game anyway.

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2004, 03:16:26 PM »
About the moneylender: What kind of amounts are we talking about here? I would think that any amount that could be worthwhile for the player would be outrageous to loan from such a person. I believe 1000 gold would be a small fortune in the Forgotten Realms, and if the player really needs that, he'd be better off going stealing or smiting evil, whichever the personal preference...

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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2004, 03:57:17 PM »
About the moneylender: What kind of amounts are we talking about here? I would think that any amount that could be worthwhile for the player would be outrageous to loan from such a person. I believe 1000 gold would be a small fortune in the Forgotten Realms, and if the player really needs that, he'd be better off going stealing or smiting evil, whichever the personal preference...
But what if the PC is Good-aligned, will he still steal the money? ???
Don't think so ;)
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Re: What's it all about?
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2004, 05:15:20 PM »
But what if the PC is Good-aligned, will he still steal the money? ???
Don't think so ;)

Do not assume people play the alignment they choose. If the moneylender checks the party, reputation might be better than alignment. Might. The party could just have thrown a load of their excess gold at a church somewhere. I suppose the best way would be not to make any checks at all and keep the loan at a reasonable level. Of course, debating this may be pointless if Sim has already got it all made.

Speaking of donating money to churches, is it possible to do so at all churches in BG2 (I forget)? And does a donation to the church of Talos increase your reputation?

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