Auntys reaction.

[neriana]

Naive and stupid are two different things. Nalia is very clear on what is right and what is wrong, maybe a bit too clear. She wouldn't fall for someone who did anything she saw as evil.

[PsyckoSama]

Naive and stupid are two different things. Nalia is very clear on what is right and what is wrong, maybe a bit too clear. She wouldn't fall for someone who did anything she saw as evil.

She has wisdom of eight. Anyone with a high charisma should be able to play her like a harp. She smart but her wisdom is all but nonexsistance. She’s be relatively easy to manipulate and as such it should be an option. Low wisdom counts for more then "bite you in the ass" options when casting Limited Wish.

[Kish]

Naive and stupid are two different things. Nalia is very clear on what is right and what is wrong, maybe a bit too clear. She wouldn't fall for someone who did anything she saw as evil.

She has wisdom of eight.

No, she has Wisdom 9, which is within the "average" range.  Even 8 would be "marginally below average," not "all but nonexistent."

[nurgles_herald]

9 certainly is by standard AD&D rules, but it isn't by 3d6 rules.  The average roll on a set of three six sided dixe is a 10.5, a good deal more than 9.  This is reflected in 3rd edition (which, IMHO, is far INFERIOR to 2nd ed AD&D), with 9 getting a penalty of 1.  Though I feel this makes characters in 3rd edition much more munchkin, makes the players prone to cheating and makes the game less fun in the roleplaying aspect, it does make sense.  Therefore, Nalia really isn't average, unless the average person can be "played like a harp" (excluding most Americans, of course, who have an average wisdom of, like, 5).

[Kish]

10.5, a good deal more than 9.

A good deal?  One and a half point?

Therefore, Nalia really isn't average, unless the average person can be "played like a harp"

This starts with "therefore" but it doesn't appear to proceed logically from what you said.

[Ruben]

9 is a believeable average. Though if 9 is average an 18 Charisma is far above average. It could be concieveable that you would be able to trick her and persuade her to see a past a couple of events. But just as a con artist can try and trick the same person over and over. She will more than likely see through even the highest Charisma at the end.

Nalia may be naieve is some regards be she isn't as emotionaly week as say Arie and I doubt anyone would be able to use the death of her father as a leverage point to use her for long.

[nurgles_herald]

You shall notice, if you haven't already, that my thoughts aren't totally linear.  When I speak, it is more of a self-concious dribble than an actual attempt at communication.  That might make some things I say a bit hard to translate... though I speak English as a first language.  I do, however, stand by my statement that 1.5 points is a good deal.  That's 6% of the total maximum score right there (the max score is 25, so 1.5 is 6% of 25)!

6% may sound like an inconsequential amount when coming from the point of view of someone with a 9 vs. a 10.5, but consider the difference from a 16.5 to an 18.  Which, I might add, is possible because Wishes added only a tenth of an ability point under AD&D rules past 15, I think.  There's a giant difference between 16.5 and 18, particularly if you're talking about strength and you're a warrior (exceptional strength).  I have to, then, stand by my earlier remarks, as 1.5 ability points can make a huge difference.

[PsyckoSama]

(excluding most Americans, of course, who have an average wisdom of, like, 5).

uncalled for

[jester]

If you pick her up right away she might have witnessed your being evil and thus the harping could fail after all even with high charisma, but if she is a late addition, she could be fooled. After all she still grew up somewhat protected.

I think you need you victim to have a low wisdom AND intelligence to accomplish what was suggested and given the fact that commoners score 9 in all categories IIRC, that should hoover around 4-6.

[nurgles_herald]

Fine, excluding most people who think Bush is doing a good job for our future (who have an average wisdom of, like, 5).  Better now, PsyckoSama, our have you failed to read Henry Giroux's The Abandoned Generation?  If you have, and you have a college level vocabulary (which you most probably have, considering the fact that I'm probably the youngest person on this forum), I highly recommend it if you disagree with me.  Oh, and just listen to David Orr for once; nearly everything he says is truly profound, and very intellectually motivating (if emotionally depressing).

@ Jester: I dunno- seems to me that my DM's civilians have an average of 16 across the board .

[PsyckoSama]

Fine, excluding most people who think Bush is doing a good job for our future (who have an average wisdom of, like, 5).  Better now, PsyckoSama, our have you failed to read Henry Giroux's The Abandoned Generation?  If you have, and you have a college level vocabulary (which you most probably have, considering the fact that I'm probably the youngest person on this forum), I highly recommend it if you disagree with me.  Oh, and just listen to David Orr for once; nearly everything he says is truly profound, and very intellectually motivating (if emotionally depressing).

@ Jester: I dunno- seems to me that my DM's civilians have an average of 16 across the board .

This is not a forum for politics... and FYI, I am not a Bush person. All I need to convince myself of that is the Universal National Service Act of 2003. So lets keep the smart ass political commentary out of this form.

[Mongoose87]

Not to mention if Bush had wisdom of 5 the world wouldn't exist anymore.  CAN YOU SAY NUCLEAR WAR?  I CAN!

[PsyckoSama]

Not to mention if Bush had wisdom of 5 the world wouldn't exist anymore.  CAN YOU SAY NUCLEAR WAR?  I CAN!

This is not a forum for politics... lets drop it before it becomes a monster...

Though a political comedy mod might be amusing.

[nurgles_herald]

No comment, merely that "I do not recall" what Bush's accepted wisdom is.  With that said, I concur with what our fellow have been saying and agree to not say anything more about politics... unless it is a political thread, of course.

[Archmage Silver]

Well, it seems that even wisdom can cause foolishness Its just that all those arguments and calculations are so hilarious if you just do a little thinking and realize that these all were written because of one NPC's wisdom modifier.

[Golden Lion 86]

The only problem with her having an "unfortunate accident" might be if she comes back to haunt the PC.....now how did that imprisonment spell work again??

Have Viconia Turn Undead and make her YOUR servant, hehe!

[Lord Kain]

Is her aunt is going to die it should be soon after Nalia screams at her. "would it kill you to be nice sometimes"

[Guest]

Yes because then she will go "Oh, alright, how was you day, Charname-*COUGH* *DIES*"

Nalia: Oh... I suppose it DOES.

[Catalyst]

Is her aunt is going to die it should be soon after Nalia screams at her. "would it kill you to be nice sometimes"

Absolutely and wholeheartedly agree.

[Reverendratbastard]

Nalia is good.  It makes little sense that she would get involved in a romance with an evil character, particularly one with little enough regard for her to kill her aunt.

  and viconia is good... and yet...
  but you're entirely right about all this killing-delcia malarkey.

[Reverendratbastard]

 
  please forgive me for wandering away from the MURDER PLOT (i was too late to chime in about bush supporters!  damn!!)... no, to be fair, i don't have too much experience with evil parties.  more in iwd2, but after the treat of building parties, it gets boring having even less variance from the main plot than either b.g. started with...  i will be spending more time with the thoughts of skullduggery to try to balance my brainstorming..
  but as far as aunty's reaction - not some people's obsession with >their< reaction to >her< 
  i just had a thought... i really like the idea of increased action at the keep and all, and from that dropped another nugget, not that i should presume you haven't come up with this already...  i never liked how nothing happens at that marvelous palisade after the trolls get cleared out (or maybe i'm missing something?)  my idea was, before [possibly] getting married, nalia might talk charname into (or be talked into)... well... getting it on in the palisade!  nobody ever goes out there, right?  slip out the secret door with a bottle of wine and a couple blankets... of course other party members can go sick with worry (or make fun of the hornbirds) when they wake up...  or it could be a while after the wedding, just a way of making sure things aren't getting too domestic and staid...
  i mean, not that it's a sumptuous bower or anything (and nalia doesn't mind slumming, right?), but if delcia's constantly spying on the couple (and she IS), and this IS basically their home...  i mean, it's definitely a more appropriate spot than anywhere in the dungeon...
  aha.  another notion for evil.  but not quite this thread...

  but how about lady caan's reaction to a WEDDING?  (does nalia propose? )  if the timing is "right", maybe she throws all her support to the roenalls?!!!  but then, what does her support actually entail?...