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Re: Who is Hobbib?
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2004, 09:20:24 PM »
http://www.interplay.com/bgate2/bg2conwin.html

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Re: Who is Hobbib?
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2004, 12:54:32 AM »
This looks like Icelus' forum to me.
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Re: Who is Hobbib?
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2004, 08:00:41 AM »
I aim to please.  :D
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Re: Who is Hobbib?
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2004, 08:27:26 AM »
Then why the hell is a Topic on Hobbib in here?

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Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2004, 11:09:38 AM »
I had thought they are The Five in TOB but the number is seven. Is it the original plan "The Seven" and had been changed to "The Five"? I had seen another point about that but I can't sure and never find this mod. Now I think it is the most possible that they are Balthazar and his follower.

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2004, 11:10:53 AM »
I think the general consensus is that Bioware had no idea what they were doing, so the video is just random and trying to hint at conspiracy.

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2004, 11:15:23 AM »
The man who seems like the leader in that movie, his voice is almost the same with Balthazar.

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2004, 12:08:58 PM »
The people who are talking about Gorion's ward? I'm pretty sure two of those people are Ulraunt and Tethtoril.

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2004, 12:20:38 PM »
I'd say it's really unlikely that any of them are Lawful Good and were friendly with Gorion.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2004, 12:26:03 PM »
I could have sworn someone told me those were monks from Candlekeep.

Plus, Ulraunt wasn't really that nice, and he's lawful neutral (BGI game manual)

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2004, 12:32:29 PM »
I could have sworn someone told me those were monks from Candlekeep.
That wouldn't be surprising.  However, whoever that person was, I suspect his or her source is as reliable as yours--"someone told me."
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Plus, Ulraunt wasn't really that nice, and he's lawful neutral (BGI game manual)
It would be hard for Ulraunt and Tethtoril to talk without Tethtoril being involved.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2004, 12:34:43 PM »
That wouldn't be surprising.  However, whoever that person was, I suspect his or her source is as reliable as yours--"someone told me."
But Peter Scolari swears up and down that it's true...

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2004, 02:35:55 PM »
Who is Tethtoil?

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2004, 02:44:02 PM »
I think the general consensus is that Bioware had no idea what they were doing, so the video is just random and trying to hint at conspiracy.
As much as I have to bite my lip to say that: :P Sim is most certainly right here. Or it is some kind of conspiracy to cover up this conspiracy with the theory of concpiracy and thus make it unplausible to think of one. The illuminati for sure or ...

best read for conspiracy theories :) Umberto Eco's 'Foucault's Pendulum'
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2004, 04:09:29 PM »
Why should Candlekeep monks sit around a table with the symbol of Bhaal?

I'm with Sim on this one. It's there to generate general interest in an expansion/continuation, without any special meaning.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2004, 04:11:56 PM »
One thought of it was that it could be the reminant of the Baal Cult that Melissan is part of. Or was part of it. The cult that Gorion and the Harpers attacked to rescue Char name, and the cult that would of been responsible for sacrafice all the Baal Spawn to restore Baal which Melissaan was suposed to do, but decide to keep the power for herself.

Other than that, probally just a movie put their to keep an noexsitant loose end open so you would buy the Sequel. (Not that they needed any trick to do that)

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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2004, 07:17:31 PM »
No, these are really the Five, back when their exact number and race were still undecided.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2004, 01:46:20 AM »
the Five.. as in the surviving siblings?  Er.. says who?
I always thought they were a group/gathering of Harpers (even before Elminster's appearance in ToB). ..else I'd go with Sim's take  ;)
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2004, 02:09:13 AM »
Harpers wouldn't be sitting around a table with the symbol of Bhaal, and Elminster makes it clear in ToB that he wants you to succeed.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2004, 02:22:59 AM »
I always got the impression the Elminster acts.. on his own; his alignment furthers this notion.  And, iirc, the 7 say (what?), that we're doomed, basically.  Not an endorsement but nothing to be dealt with either - neutral, unless it needs to be dealt with.  The symbol of Bhaal.. don't remember that.  ;)

Does he really say he wants us to succeed?  I remember him saying that -had he known, he'd have taken a more active roll- ..or something.  He obviously cares for our well-being. ..but, if we're evil..
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2004, 02:34:54 AM »
"Gorion's ward has become too powerful.  We should have acted long before now!"
"There is no reason to be concerned.  The fate of this fool has been sealed."
"But can we be so sure?"
"This spawn of Bhaal is doomed.  There is no escape!"

...Not exactly what I'd call neutral.  There is no need to intervene because and only because you are already as good as dead.

Unlike the end-movie conversation, I don't have Elminster's lines memorized.  I do, however, remember that he concludes with, "From this point on, attaining your destiny is entirely your own affair.  I wish you well."

In any case, the symbol of Bhaal is, I would say, enough on its own to reduce the chance of them being Harpers to 0.  If you have an install on which you've completed SoA, you should be able to view the movie through View Movies.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2004, 02:54:02 AM »
well, I still think it could be them.. I'm just gonna be stubborn like that  ;D  They will act if they think it will upset the balance, which is why I said neutral, unless.. isn't that what Meronia (?) tells us?

Honestly, from the end of bg1 to the 3rd (?) challenge in ToB, we think it is our destiny to become a murderer (or, at least, sow chaos); Why would it be evil, assuming you're calling this group evil, to have acted against that so long ago?

the only other thought would be the Cowled Wizards.. for such a powerful organization they seem to take little interest in us or, indeed, have any knowledge of us.  By the end of the game, they must at least be curious.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2004, 03:18:01 AM »
well, I still think it could be them.. I'm just gonna be stubborn like that  ;D  They will act if they think it will upset the balance, which is why I said neutral, unless.. isn't that what Meronia (?) tells us?
Yes, that is what the Harpers are in BG2, by the word of one of Galvery's renegades.  Wait, something's wrong here.

In P&P, they're an organization for Good.  That doesn't necessarily mean anything to BG2 (we do both agree that Aran Linvail is the head of the BG2 Shadow Thieves, after all)--but we have no evidence that Meronia is actualy meant to be explaining the BG2 Harpers, rather than conveying the warped beliefs of Galvery.
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Honestly, from the end of bg1 to the 3rd (?) challenge in ToB, we think it is our destiny to become a murderer (or, at least, sow chaos);
We?  Speak for yourself, hmm?  We do know that children of Bhaal can be good; that is in Alaundo's prophecy even if we slavishly assume from the moment we hear it that Alaundo's prophecy tells of the only possible future.  There is all the difference in the world between "become a murderer" and "sow chaos," enough that one shouldn't be a parenthetical to the other.  "Become a murderer" could only be bad; "sow chaos" could refer to things like the disruption of Lehtinan's slave trade.
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assuming you're calling this group evil
...symbol of Bhaal...
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2004, 04:13:29 AM »
The spectral Harpists say ..'doing works of good' (?).  ..and, for all we know, Meronia does think she's doing good.

(I was speaking for myself on both counts  :P)  If you're the spawn of the Lord of murder and the chants talk about blood, death following in our wake, it's a logical conclusion to belive that it's our destiny to be or become that. (Not too dissimilar to what georgie did, the *rick.)  Inneundo can be just as persuasive.  ..especially if you're male and romance Jaheira - it's her #1 fear.

Interesting.. I'm not contesting that I do believe Bhaal to be evil, but I read somewhere you talking about Bhaal being the god of death, or some-such, and not murder; neutral, I remember that much for sure.  Regardless, I did say, a few posts back, that I forgot about the symbol of Bhaal.  :)

..and I'm still going to be stubborn about it.
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Re: Who are the seven in the end movie of SOA?
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2004, 04:23:03 AM »
His portfolio was a neutral one--Death.  His title, the Lord of Murder, indicates that Bhaal himself chooses to ignore one side of his portfolio and to be a god of evil; he was Lawful Evil.
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If you're the spawn of the Lord of murder and the chants talk about blood, death following in our wake
Do they talk about blood and death following in your wake?  I only remember chaos.  Academic, really, though--it's a logical conclusion, sure, but not the only logical conclusion.
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..especially if you're male and romance Jaheira - it's her #1 fear.
I know...entirely too well.  This actually toppled Jaheira from my second favorite character to a character I don't care for at all, when I romanced her.  ("Let me get this straight.  You've been whinin' about me being an unbalanced goody-goody ever since Nashkel.  Ten minutes ago, you complained about me being too good.  In ten minutes, you're going to complain about me being too good again.  But right now, you want me to argue you out of thinking I'm a monster...I think you have some issues to work out before you're ready to be in a relationship again, hon, and I'm really only peripherally involved with them.")
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