'Progress?' threads

[Kulyok]

Edot: Oh, and the Crowley Bons was referring to was originally Crawly, the snake that gave away the forbidden apple, according to Neil Gaiman.  Forget reading Crowley, read 'Good Omens'.

*nod, nod, nod*

(Pratchett fans: Terry was working on it together with Neil, too.)

(Wonders if she should post a link to the book in English, but decides not to.)

[Joe]

You guys know Crowley was a quack, right? 

[Sorrow]

Yeah, like every other prophet.

[Ghreyfain]

Your new avatar is sublime.

And by sublime, do you mean grossly obnoxious?  I rather thought I was pulling a discharger by having an animated avatar.

Your perspective is interesting but I believe you misunderstood my point.

Then... what is your point?

I would like to know how you know the avatar is scantily clad?

It seems the type.  And I think at the time I wrote that I was confusing Shard's avatar with another one, possibly from the past.  It was quite hilarious.  If anyone knows who Solonque was, they might understand what I'm talking about.  At least I think that's who I'm thinking about.  Or was.

[Dark Raven]

You guys know Crowley was a quack, right?

Of course he was. A lot of famous or unfamous people usually are.

[jester]

Me likes animated avatars.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/jester00/tilt.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/jester00/lady.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/jester00/penguin.gif)

[cliffette]

With regards to the first avatar, my head is also falling off my neck in sympathy.

[Andyr]

The Lady of Pain one is pretty cool.

[cliffette]

The Lady of Pain one is pretty cool.

Is that the first avatar or the second you are talking about? Actually, you might even be talking about the third, with all the penguin slapping.

[jester]

The first one is trying to sell you a mobile phone IIRC. The secodn is the Lady of Pain from PSt and the third is pretty much selfexplanatory. Interesting enough I did not associate any of the pictures with pain at all.

[Andyr]

Middle one, yeah.

[Dark Raven]

I can make better use of the third one. 

[cliffette]

Interesting enough I did not associate any of the pictures with pain at all.

I find my own associations. The placement of the avatars is quite funny because the Mistress of Pain appears to be encouraging the other two as fine examples of citizenship.

[Regullus]

Your new avatar is sublime.

And by sublime, do you mean grossly obnoxious?  I rather thought I was pulling a discharger by having an animated avatar.

 Would Dis have gone into such details as hooks, pirate hats and scimatars? I think not! Your animated avatar is exceptional!

Then... what is your point?

 What do you suppose would happen if I logged onto PPG IRC under the nick of "MIGHTYPANTS!"? I envision this type of conversation:

 MIGHTYPANTS! connected.

 Ghreyfain (or other moderator type): Hi Reg. MIGHTYPANTS!?

 MIGHTYPANTS!: er... Hi All.  *MIGHTYPANTS! disconnected.*

 "We," the computer illiterates, believe falsely the internet is anonymous. Because of this false belief, "we" believe that "we" can act anyway we want, yet this sense of anonymity is false. Unless you are an exceptionally clever bunny I would not use the internet as therapy, your actions do matter to an extent. I would agree with your statement:

From another perspective, I see *signing up under a new name as an abuse of the anonimity the internet gives you.  In real life, if you act like an ass, you don't get a second chance.  If you're going to reinvent yourself, you should do it the good old-fashioned way--by acting like a decent human being...

 I was not accusing Ice of meanness, I was simply using the situation as an example of a morality lesson. 

Me likes animated avatars.

 What do you suppose would happen if all PPG members changed their avatars to animated avatars simultaneously? I really like the penguin. BTW, you never answered my question about the Kelsey hair color political argument.
 

[Veloxyll]

I bet you won't try joining as Mightypants.

[jester]

@Kelsey's hair colour: This was just an exampleof how threads become political paraphrazing a thred about Sola's eye colour.

What colour is Kelsey's hair?
Red!
Red like the flag? Now that you mentioned socialism, I feel compelled to say something about world peace and global injustice.


@ What do you suppose would happen if all PPG members changed their avatars to animated avatars simultaneously?

I would disable the display of avatars.

[Ghreyfain]

Would Dis have gone into such details as hooks, pirate hats and scimatars? I think not! Your animated avatar is exceptional!

Oh.  Well, gee, thanks.   Although I can't claim credit for making--or even finding--it.  Aurora found it, and I just downloaded it.

Then... what is your point?

 What do you suppose would happen if I logged onto PPG IRC under the nick of "MIGHTYPANTS!"? I envision this type of conversation:

 MIGHTYPANTS! connected.

 Ghreyfain (or other moderator type): Hi Reg. MIGHTYPANTS!?

Anyone can see a hostmask when you join an IRC chatroom.  It's just that sometimes we moderatorial types have more experience with certain people behaving like idiots.  And in some cases we have hands on experience with behaving like idiots.

MIGHTYPANTS!: er... Hi All.  *MIGHTYPANTS! disconnected.*

 "We," the computer illiterates, believe falsely the internet is anonymous. Because of this false belief, "we" believe that "we" can act anyway we want, yet this sense of anonymity is false. Unless you are an exceptionally clever bunny I would not use the internet as therapy, your actions do matter to an extent. I would agree with your statement:

Well, if you decide you're tired of being Regullus, and want to rebrand yourself as MIGHTYPANTS!, that's one thing.  It'll just take time for people to get adjusted.  But if you're posing as MIGHTYPANTS! so that you can (try to) influence people into liking "that nice, but misunderstood girl Regullus", or just to stir up trouble.  The latter's irritating if done to excess, but sometimes it's just fun.

From another perspective, I see *signing up under a new name as an abuse of the anonymity the internet gives you.  In real life, if you act like an ass, you don't get a second chance.  If you're going to reinvent yourself, you should do it the good old-fashioned way--by acting like a decent human being...

 I was not accusing Ice of meanness, I was simply using the situation as an example of a morality lesson. 

"If people are being dishonest, don't expose them?"  No offense, but that's a pretty shitty morality lesson.

Kidding, kidding.  I'm really not sure what you mean, again.

Edited for clarity.

[Regullus]

I bet you won't try joining as Mightypants.

 No,  you're right I would never try joining IRC as Mightypants. Mightypants is some guy from Australia, I couldn't possibly steal his nick.  I might  however sign on as MIGHTYPANTS!.

Oh.  Well, gee, thanks.   Although I can't claim credit for making--or even finding--it.  Aurora found it, and I just downloaded it.

 Aurora is a genius.

...I'm really not sure what you mean, again.

 In the last year and half of trawling the internet I have noticed that people will do things in Internet Life that they would'nt necessarily do in RL and the main reason they do it is because they believe they are anonymous. I believe that right now and increasingly in the future one's IL will come back to haunt people in RL.

 Imagine this type of conversation in the not so distant future:

Reporter: "Hopeful Presidential Candidate would you care to explain why you visited ******.com and viewed the mutilated dead body pictures 1000 times?"

Hopeful Presidential Candidate: "er...Research."

Reporter: "Research? 1000 times? What exactly were you researching Hopeful Presidential Candidate?"

*exit Hopeful Presidential Candidate*

 You think that might be a farfetched  scenario? Here are some recent examples:

 "Successful Manhatton Writer searching for willing ****** over at CL. The Gawker is there and is actively working on outing the writer.

 "Crackhead Mom trying to sell 3yr old for a week's worth of crack." Law enforcement is there.

 "Silly Teen trying to score with 'Fakegirl.'" I-Mockery was there. Remember, don't send your picture and DON'T give your work number out over the internet or it will be published for thousands to see.

 The ex-FEMA head's e-mails, recently published to much scorn.

 On a lighter note, my lessons with PPG:

 My future computer repair person will thank me and I thank Toma for allowing us to think of septugenarians in a whole new light. Gee, who knew that my PPG merchandise order was not confidential? (BTW, I don't think I ever properly expressed my deep and undying gratitude to jc for outing my order on IRC. Thanks Big Guy!  )  The first time I made contact on IRC, my real name was immediately known and mocked within seconds of my arrival. Okay, that was my bad but I didn't know that could happen.


 The examples are endless on the 'net. Many of us labor under the misapprehension that whatever we do on-line is meaningless and without personal consequence.
 

 

[jester]

MIGHTYPANTS!

All caps and an exclamation mark calls for punishment indeed.

I completely subscribe to your idea with a minor alteration:
Many of us labor under the misapprehension that whatever we do on-line is meaningless and without personal consequence.

I read in Wired about a book how different, forthcoming, trusting, reckless etc people are when apparently sheltered by anonymity on the web which as we know does not really exist.

I think your examples are more accelerated by the net but would happen anyways, they just switched media.

[Dark Raven]

Progress seems to have come to a halt.