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Re: Madam President
« Reply #125 on: November 07, 2005, 10:51:58 PM »
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I'm not gonna waste my time trying to change your inmature and underdeveloped mind.  That is all.

So you just decided to post this? If you don't care, you wouldn't have said anything at all.

Good job.  :)

Oh, please!  Don't flatter yourself.  Just like you have a right to post your/your mother's opinion (as asinine as it is), I do as well. :)

So, this proves that I am not some stupid idiot who has no idea what I'm talking about. You might think "Well it just occurs, like anything else. I could be eating an apple and killing someone. This doesn't mean people who eat apples are killers." So just read the article, kk?

Nah, that article just shows that you're not the only stupid idiot who has no idea what you're talking about.  Look kid, finding some random article on the web does not make your point a legitimate one.  Nice try, though.  Please stay in school and pay more attention in health/human anatomy class, mmkay?  ;)
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #126 on: November 07, 2005, 11:56:45 PM »

Choosing not to vote isn't always out of laziness or a lack of responsibility, but can be a legitimate way to express one's own discontent with the choice of candidates.

As Eral said, you can choose to express your discontent by donkey voting. The way to do this is to take your ballot paper, draw an extra square, put "Me", "None of the Above" or some other statement of varying amusement next to it, then tick the box you drew. Congratulations, you have just expressed your discontent with all the proposed candidates.

The only thing compulsory voting requires you to do is to show up at the voting booth and have your name crossed off. Your actual vote is anonymous. Nobody can fine you for donkey voting. As for the philosophy behind compulsory voting - well, maybe it would not make you pay closer attention to the candidates at the election, but it might make others (such as me) pay more attention and care a little more about the result, and thus there is some merit in its application.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #127 on: November 08, 2005, 02:33:04 AM »
So your attempt at convincing us is a random drug website, trying to sell us their products?  Wow, that's gonna be unbiased.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #128 on: November 08, 2005, 03:50:57 AM »
As much as I dislike responding to anything the dis pops on the 'Net for our perusal, it crosses my mind to ask, why is it these people who like to spread the myth that women are victims of their hormones never question the effect of hormones on a man? The biological evidence that men are far more susceptible to being swayed by biological urges in the course of a day never seems to be used as an argument against their participation in public life. So, how about we drop this incredibly stupid line of argument? That will save Alarielle and I the trouble of coming over there and smacking some sense into you.
 
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #129 on: November 08, 2005, 05:23:14 AM »
I hate everyone.
I really hate everyone.
Err...
Not everyone.
Everyone who doesn't share my morals.
Not because I hate people who don't share my morals, but because I have difficulties with finding a girlfriend, because I can't find a girl that shares my morals.
So I hate everyone that doesn't share my morals.
I want to hit someone.
Yeah.
Hitting someone would make me feel better :) .
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I think that woman shouldn't be a president because they are too emotional :P .
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #130 on: November 08, 2005, 07:38:32 AM »
@discharger Look kid, try working on your trolling offline. You are failing miserably at the moment.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #131 on: November 08, 2005, 08:44:44 AM »
All right, all right. Let's not have a "pile on the thread starter" session. I think we'd really best slink off and make those sandwiches before somebody gets a cigar burn.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #132 on: November 08, 2005, 08:45:35 AM »
YOU SHOULD NOT BE ENCOURAGING SMOKING MR COMPTON!
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #133 on: November 08, 2005, 08:47:54 AM »
I'm not encouraging smoking, I'm encouraging placating the kind of menacing stained T-shirt wearing monster who demands egg sandwiches. You can practically smell his cheap cigar from here.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #134 on: November 08, 2005, 10:54:47 AM »
So what've you got against egg sandwiches?
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Re: Madam President
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #136 on: November 08, 2005, 11:52:46 AM »
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/crime_motivation/7.html

Last link, then that's it.

I'm done.

Wow, just, wow.  So you're just gonna base your assumption of the entire female gender based on a few sporadic instances.  In that case you should ask yourself, is the male gender better off?  C'mon, most mass murderers, serial killers and petty criminals are males.  I don't even know why you keep trying to prove your point.  Your pathetic attempts make you look stupider by the minute. 

Good Job.  :)

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #137 on: November 08, 2005, 03:14:47 PM »
As Eral said, you can choose to express your discontent by donkey voting. The way to do this is to take your ballot paper, draw an extra square, put "Me", "None of the Above" or some other statement of varying amusement next to it, then tick the box you drew. Congratulations, you have just expressed your discontent with all the proposed candidates.

The only thing compulsory voting requires you to do is to show up at the voting booth and have your name crossed off. Your actual vote is anonymous. Nobody can fine you for donkey voting. As for the philosophy behind compulsory voting - well, maybe it would not make you pay closer attention to the candidates at the election, but it might make others (such as me) pay more attention and care a little more about the result, and thus there is some merit in its application.

The point is that I should be able to abstain completely without government interference. If people can just botch their votes anyway, what is the point? It encourages people who will voted without any foreknowledge

Voting is a right, but by making it compulsory it becomes less than that; it becomes a state-regulated chore.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #138 on: November 08, 2005, 03:56:40 PM »
Voting is not a right, it's a responsibility :)
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #139 on: November 08, 2005, 04:02:14 PM »
You're digging your own grave here, dis. Your article says that those "conclusions drawn during many of the earlier studies were based on stereotypical attitudes and sweeping assumptions of the female sex" and that current research does not support what you're saying.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #140 on: November 08, 2005, 04:27:27 PM »
*pointedly ignoring the second "article" linked by little discharger*
Like Alarielle says, rights =responsibility. You can abstain if you want to. You get a fine, but you can abstain. Just like you can speed and drink-drive and litter and not wear a seat-belt if you want to.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #141 on: November 08, 2005, 04:47:27 PM »
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/crime_motivation/7.html

Last link, then that's it.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #142 on: November 08, 2005, 05:22:28 PM »
Eral, that 's a good point. Not everything we agree on as good and necessary in a society is also carried out accordingly in every applicable situation by the individuals concerned. Rather it is the opposite with many things which allow freeriders. So many generations fought for the right to vote. Universal suffrage is something which should be held in high esteem and not dismissed, because you want to have a picknick or a shoping trip instead.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #143 on: November 08, 2005, 06:21:12 PM »
I think re: compulsory voting, one of the points those against it are trying to make is that the system is forcing you to do something - you cannot live outside the system, so it's promises of freedom are not quite that.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #144 on: November 08, 2005, 07:20:50 PM »
No political system can offer an individual absolute freedom - not even anarchy, where co-operation and accommodation of other's views are essential to the survival of the community. (If I read the anarchy thread correctly.) Democracy doesn't promise you freedom - it offers the opportunity to participate in government and express your views. You are not forced to participate: a financial sanction for failing to vote is not force. 
Putting voting on the list of 'things we think everybody should do' is more a statement of what is valued in the community, along with not owning big guns and driving safely. The "I should be free to do what I want" argument sounds good, especially if you like driving fast and big guns. However, applying it to voting means only those who are interested in the political process and value their ability to contribute will do so. And I don't think that is a beneficial thing for a democracy. France is currently experiencing what happens when a large percentage of the population feels alienated and disenfranchised.

*edit: At what point should we be concerned about Sorrow? I'm feeling that now is the time. But I do tend to get nervous when post-adolescent males sound seriously disturbed and unhappy.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #145 on: November 08, 2005, 08:29:31 PM »
Clearly you will have to date sorrow to make him feel happy!
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #146 on: November 08, 2005, 08:36:33 PM »
Oh man, this is heading in a bad, bad, direction. Even worse than it was before I decided that I had had enough of discussing the particularities of feminity etc.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #147 on: November 08, 2005, 08:48:53 PM »
*edit: At what point should we be concerned about Sorrow? I'm feeling that now is the time. But I do tend to get nervous when post-adolescent males sound seriously disturbed and unhappy.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #148 on: November 08, 2005, 09:42:40 PM »
Voting is not a right, it's a responsibility :)

'Those are not mutually exclusive attributes.

Like Alarielle says, rights =responsibility. You can abstain if you want to. You get a fine, but you can abstain. Just like you can speed and drink-drive and litter and not wear a seat-belt if you want to.
I accept the need for legislation that contributes to the well-being of the society. I'll agree to voluntary voting when we have voluntary taxes.

That is ridiculous. Of course, physically, I can choose to not to go to the voting booth. Legally, I would be prohibited from doing so. I can stab someone in the neck anytime I wish, but that does not mean it is legal or "allowed".

Drinking and driving and littering are crimes where the law says that a person must not engage in such activities. Mandatory voting involves the law compelling a person to do something. You cannot compare the two.

The point is that I ought to be able to abstain from voting without the risk of punishment from the government or anyone else. 

You are not forced to participate: a financial sanction for failing to vote is not force.

No, it is not physical force.  ::) But it is coercion; you will be punished (no matter how small you think it is) if you do not comply. This is political force.
 
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Putting voting on the list of 'things we think everybody should do' is more a statement of what is valued in the community, along with not owning big guns and driving safely.

There is a difference between "things we think everybody should do" and "things everybody should be made to do".

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The "I should be free to do what I want" argument sounds good, especially if you like driving fast and big guns.

No one is saying "I should be free to do what I want". But we should be free from the government's coercion into voting.

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However, applying it to voting means only those who are interested in the political process and value their ability to contribute will do so.

That is how it should be! One should not vote unless he or she is actually informed.

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France is currently experiencing what happens when a large percentage of the population feels alienated and disenfranchised.

Are you implying that this is because voting in France is not mandatory?

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #149 on: November 08, 2005, 10:12:08 PM »
I'd like to give another persepective on the "forced voting" issue.  Please indulge me as I give a brief American history lesson.  I'm sure every country has specific examples of this, but since I live in America, American history is what I'm most familiar with.

The American Continental Army was originally formed in 1775 by Congress.  It originally was slated to have 10,000 soldiers to be stationed in Boston, not including the 5,000 that were already defending various places in New York.  By the end of the American Revolutionary War, the number of soldiers in the Army had grown to a little over 30,000 (Congress had called for 60,000+, but had trouble recruiting that many soldiers).  These were the men whose actions led to the birth of a new nation.

I have tried to find out for some time what the total population of America was at that time, but the earliest information I could get from the US Census Bureau is for 1790, about ten years later.  In 1790, the census reported 3,893,635 people in the 16 states at the time.

Here's my point:  even if the population had doubled in that time between the end of the war in 1778 and the time of the census in 1790, that would mean that this country was formed because less than 1% of the population held such strong beliefs that they were willing to take action and do something about them.  If I was a politician, I would rather have a small percentage of the population that truly believed in my cause and were willing to influence the minds of those around them.  It's the concept of quality vs quantity.  Who wants a multitude of mediocre followers (and then only because they were coerced into doing so)?

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Oops, my math was wrong.  If the population had doubled in that time, it would have been 1.5% of the population in the army.

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