Heh, go away for two days after starting an unintentionally controversial thread, and you're bound to be accused of trolling. Though I should have known better that anything that I say will somehow come out bad. (Especially a thread like this)
Now I have to go back and forth trying to answer all these people. For better or for worse.
On we go:
You know, someone was just asking me yesterday, "Jason? Where do you think the next great expert in gender and race biology and sociology is going to come from?" At the time, I didn't have an answer for them.
Now I know!
Just stating my opinion, Jason. I appreciate your sarcasm, though.
there are no inherent differences in mental ability, social responsibility, political prowess or anything else you care to mention. Why are you even bringing this up? It has absolutely no relevance in any political discussion.
I didn't mean it as relevance in politics. I was just referrring to the fact that people who claim there is absolutely no difference between human races, are stupid, as a side complaint next to there being differences in gender. I believe that some stereotypes are actually true of some races. That doesn't mean that, for example, we need to go around making cracks on black people for liking chicken/watermelon or calling them racist names, but just that we need to acknowledge that there are differences. Actually, the reason stereotypes are bad, is because it claims that a characteristic applies to all people of that race. So, stereotypes aren't utterly true, just partially. And this doesn't mean that I believe in all stereotypes. I'm just saying that the older I get, the more it seems that some are becoming true, before I even was aware it was a stereotype.
This may not make sense to you, and if it doesn't, I'm sorry. If you think I'm racist, I apologize.
Try to change my mind, or don't worry about it.
I really think you should reread this paragraph and think whether this is actually the point you wanted to make. If it is then you're going to have a lot of problems in life.
Hm, really? I seem to be fine, at the moment. Oh, I should remind you that beliefs shared on the internet aren't so often given out in IRL at my age. How many people do you know that would talk about this at 15? Many? I'd sure like to meet them!
Actually, that's not entirely true. While I was gone I brought up this whole topic with my friend, and I think because I am fairly good at speaking verbally (a bit better then writing) I made my point clearly and he agreed.
So, what problems will I have? Elaborate, please.
Oh, and if you're just reguritating your mother's views, then I suggest you start reading things like newpapers and start to develop your own views of the world.
What, you don't take the word of people you trust? (And if you can't trust your own mother, that's truely sad
) And yes, although it doesn't seem like it, I do read newspapers. But do you see many newspapers that touch the topic of racism on this specific topic? Not any I read. But if there are any articles on the subject, please refer them to me.
That there are no inherent differences in mental ability between different races isn't actually an established fact, and is a controversial issue even amongst biologists. Besides, it isn't racist to acknowledge differences between races, but rather to think differences make certain races (or a race) "better" than others.
Exactly my point! I don't think that any race is better then one another. And whether any inherent differences in mental ability among the various races do not exist remains to be debated, like NiGHTMARE said.
I'm simply disagreeing with his assertion that race is relevant when it comes to politics, much in the same way that religion should have nothing to do with it.
As I said before (I think) I didn't mean race is a relevant topic when it comes to politics. Gender, on the other hand, in my opinion is. Hm, actually, I don't know. I'm not going to delve quite into this topic, as my topic has changed. But even if racial differences were a problem, politics greatly outweigh these.
Did I make a religious reference? I don't know if I did, or you're just saying that as an example of what is relevant or not.
After all, it is generally acknowledge that women are better suited to certain mental tasks than men, and visa versa, so there's no reason the same couldn't apply to race.
Another point that I neglected to mention! Or, well, I didn't even think of including. But, yes, that's very true, IMO.
Because he's trolling? Why else would he just toss out crap like "women should do women's work, but I won't give any reasons or anything, I'll just say my mother told me" unless he was trying to start shit? Or is he just really, really young, like eight or something.
15, actually. A bit young for a topic like these, but I am not entitled to my opinion? No? Then doesn't that mean that you're discriminating against minors?
The whole idea of this thread was just to ask a question that I hope would go well. But, I was wrong. But in this day and age, I should have realized.
Also, Pidgeon/Sim or whoever you are, as I recall, trolling refers to a person starting a topic and then running away watching the fireworks fly. But, I'm still replying, aren't I?
While that's not the reason for my divorce, I agree that people must do what they need to do. There is a big difference between women who want to work as opposed to women who have to work.
Oh, I know. My mother supports woman who have to work, but not woman who want to work. I think. I'm mixed on the topic, which I don't think I let anyone know. I believe in a bit of my mother's idea, but I also think that if a woman wants to have a job, then good for her. I'm not quite sure. I love my mother and respect her opinions, but...
Actually, did I ever say that I believed in firmly what my mother has said? I may have implied this, but I don't think I actually said it, but only referred to what she said. I suppose that when you refer to something to support an idea you have it shows that you believe in the idea, but firmly? Ack, I'm confusing myself now.
So, because the extremes of a race/gender type are different, all members of race/gender have the same strengths and weaknesses? I'm not going to believe that. I know women who are both smarter and dumber than me, So what conclusions can I draw from there.
I believe that up in this post, somewhere, I said that stereotypes are true, but not in a degree of covering all persons in the race that the stereotype describes.
At the extremes, there MAY be differences between race/gender a and b. But for every day life, you can assume they're equally skilled. kthxbai.
Yes, this is a belief that I hold and in basics what I said earlier.
If Hillary does make it to the White House - and I hope lots of people will vote for her just to annoy the Republicans
Isn't this statement a bit hypocritical?
Did you not claim that stereotypes of woman are wrongly made, and yet you imply that all Republican's ideals are evil? Isn't that a bit discriminating? Could be wrong.
Although feminists usually claim to preach equality, many seem to hold (or at least express) extremely sexist beliefs.
I agree. I think this goes along with how woman plee for equality, just as long as men are still chivalrous . "I want to be treated how men are! But I still expect them to open doors for me!"
IMO, I think we need to cut discharger some slack here. I've seen several posts in this thread, posted after his, which expressed almost the exact same sentiment just *with much better wording*. He made no judgments based on race/gender, that I could see, just said that differences do exist & then parroted his mom.
Yes, a bit.
I'm guessing he is younger than the average board member (heck, if nothing else just based on the facts that he self-nicknamed as "Red Dragon of Death" & also he can apparantly turn around from the computer & ask his mother's opinion).
15, as I said above, so yes, that makes me the youngest poster next to irenicus. (Though I'm not even sure if she counts as a poster (hey, even if I do annoy people, I still make posts that aren't OMG LOL (anymore
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The Red Dragon of Death thing just goes with my avatar. I don't consider it very immature, since it kind of goes with the whole RPG thing, doesn't it? Of course, RPGing may be considered immature by some people.
Anyone who feels the need to combat his mother's influence should (again IMO) avoid calling him a racist &/or dismissing his views out of hand & should rather address his points & attempt to persuade him, as opposed to just slamming him into oblivion through insults, if you truly want to influence him.
I agree, once more.
Thanks for not "slamming" me.
Nah, if we cut him slack it only encourages him. Mind you not cutting him slack only encourages him too. It is for this reason, I believe, sometimes people get cranky with him. He's been young for so long...
Young for so long on a board filled with adults who hold beliefs quite the opposite of mine. It seems gamers are an angry breed. Not a stereotype either, since there are a few of you out there who are pleasant and forgiving.
And get yourself a good sex education book. You really need it.
Hah! I didn't expect to read that. Just because I don't know everything about womens' periods, doesn't mean I don't know anything about sex. It's not like I go into IRC and ask things about
vaginal erection. I know more things about sex then most people my age. I know this sounds quite bold, but I know so many, many sexual terms and so much slang. So a sexual education book is something I definently do not need. I don't know how to prove this for you, and since it's very hard for people here to take my word for it, I'll just have to say, a big ol' "whatever" until anyone established that I know what I'm talking about, in this direction.
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And I think that's about it... any ideas I posted in this thread are subject to change because I'm not an unreasonable jerk.