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Re: Madam President
« Reply #75 on: November 05, 2005, 06:19:57 AM »
I would like the record to show that all opinions I have posted over the last 5 years have been my own and not those of my mother.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #76 on: November 05, 2005, 07:51:14 AM »
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2005, 02:47:10 PM »
Sorrow, please don't call me names.

Aurora, that is a very good point: if people do vote for Hillary, it could mean that perceptions are changing and gender-bias is diminishing. That would be a very hopeful and uplifting thing.
I guess my first statement is clouded by cynicism. I feel "Anybody can be president" is really only true now for millionaires with connections to political and big business figures, and really really good advertising campaigns that costs millions of dollars: eliminating all but a few from the race. For women to get backing from the political machine would mean the boys there would have to let go their prejudices - and I just don't see it happening. 
After all these years of women having successful careers in politics, we still only have a handful of women who were or are leaders of countries - they are still exceptions, not precedents. In Australia, every single woman in politics who gets named as a contender for PM gets ruthlessly torn down, rubbished and marginalised - it's a kiss of political death.

I really hope that some of you do not vote for Clinton simply because she is a woman, but I know many people will (as will many who will vote against her for the same reason). That would really be a sad day for the expansion of gender-equality.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2005, 02:48:50 PM »
I would like the record to show that all opinions I have posted over the last 5 years have been my own and not those of my mother.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2005, 03:23:16 PM »
Her gender would a part of the political sell, just as Colin Powell's skin colour was going to be, and Joe Lieberman's religion was. It's risky because you might alienate a large number of potential voters, but they are doing it for how it looks - "see how forward thinking we are?"  Really, people vote for the candidate representing their party. Republican women aren't going to vote to put a Democrat in the White House. If people don't like a candidate, they just don't vote - isn't that how it works?
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #80 on: November 05, 2005, 05:01:12 PM »
Yeah, but I can see some people who otherwise wouldn't vote at all try to put Hillary in the White House.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #81 on: November 05, 2005, 05:12:31 PM »
Or vice versa which I agree would be a shame.


Besides everybody who votes gets a bonus cookie just for doing so.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #82 on: November 05, 2005, 10:58:03 PM »
If a controversial candidate causes people who wouldn't ordinarily vote to go out on polling day and participate, I think that would actually be a good thing. It's makes the result all the more representative. We have compulsory voting - and though there a number of invalid  and "I don't give a damn" votes every year, we have a pretty good pretence at democracy, where everyone has to participate. Representative vote = good democracy.

Here Little Johnny Howard - the man who just keeps on coming up with new ways to wreck everything good in our society - has let a couple of his minions mention that they thinks we shouldn't have compulsory voting. As the only thing that makes anybody show up on polling day is compulsory voting, I'm wondering why this will be a good idea. We only wants a couple of hundred people to vote?? Australians despise politicians. We vote for the ones we hate least. Every one of us. And if we didn't have to vote, we sure as hell wouldn't. I'm really hoping that others in Parliament who actually have a grasp on how much Australians loathe politics will take Johnny aside at the pub and convince him it's not a good idea.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2005, 01:27:39 AM »
If a controversial candidate causes people who wouldn't ordinarily vote to go out on polling day and participate, I think that would actually be a good thing. It's makes the result all the more representative.

Not if they're voting for a reason like whether or not the candidate is man or woman. That is a worthless vote. The person may even be voting against his or her interests.


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We have compulsory voting

Yes, I know, and that is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard of. Compulsory democracy. Say what?

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I'm wondering why this will be a good idea. We only wants a couple of hundred people to vote?? Australians despise politicians. We vote for the ones we hate least. Every one of us. And if we didn't have to vote, we sure as hell wouldn't. I'm really hoping that others in Parliament who actually have a grasp on how much Australians loathe politics will take Johnny aside at the pub and convince him it's not a good idea.

Americans also despise politicians and also vote for the ones we hate the least. That doesn't stop milions of people from voting every year.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2005, 02:51:32 AM »
I like compulsory voting. Democracy is a responsibility and a duty, not a preference. There is a body of thought here that says the reason American election campaigns cost so much is, that enormous effort has to be put in to just getting people to vote. We don't have that problem. Once you actually haul your sorry arse to the voting booth, you might as well make it worth your while and vote for somebody you least hate. Of course, not every body does. We have a phenomen called the "donkey vote" - where people vote by numerical order on the ballot paper- and because of this, the list of candidates is made up through a draw, not alphabetically. That's democracy. If Australians are able to say, "People are basically lazy, we had better make them vote or they won't," I say good call. Better have everybody vote, than elect a government with a mandate from only 40% of the population. We have millions of people vote every year too - but I can tell you right now, no compulsory voting, nobody voting. 

I don't think any vote can be a worthless vote: it's still the expression of what people think. However sad. If there's one thing we can say for human beings, they don't vote against their perceived interests. That part of the reason the political process is so annoying. But it's still a lot better than having someone in a uniform deciding for you. And shooting you if you disagree.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2005, 05:03:47 AM »
I like compulsory voting. Democracy is a responsibility and a duty, not a preference.

I am not sure I agree that democracy is the best form of government - though I am at present unable to offer a better solution. :)
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2005, 06:39:26 AM »
The "donkey vote" you describe is why I believe there should be a "abstain" option of some sort on voting cards in the UK. I haven't decided one way or the other whether I like the idea of compulsory voting but I don't like the idea of being forced to vote for a candidate I don't want just because all the others are worse. I have to wonder how much of of the current trend of not voting is down to apathy or a dislike of all the candidates. Perhaps poll cards should look more like this:

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2005, 08:52:28 AM »
Heh, go away for two days after starting an unintentionally controversial thread, and you're bound to be accused of trolling. Though I should have known better that anything that I say will somehow come out bad. (Especially a thread like this)

Now I have to go back and forth trying to answer all these people. For better or for worse.  :-\

On we go:

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You know, someone was just asking me yesterday, "Jason? Where do you think the next great expert in gender and race biology and sociology is going to come from?" At the time, I didn't have an answer for them.

Now I know!

Just stating my opinion, Jason. I appreciate your sarcasm, though.

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there are no inherent differences in mental ability, social responsibility, political prowess or anything else you care to mention.  Why are you even bringing this up?  It has absolutely no relevance in any political discussion.

I didn't mean it as relevance in politics. I was just referrring to the fact that people who claim there is absolutely no difference between human races, are stupid, as a side complaint next to there being differences in gender. I believe that some stereotypes are actually true of some races. That doesn't mean that, for example, we need to go around making cracks on black people for liking chicken/watermelon or calling them racist names, but just that we need to acknowledge that there are differences. Actually, the reason stereotypes are bad, is because it claims that a characteristic applies to all people of that race. So, stereotypes aren't utterly true, just partially. And this doesn't mean that I believe in all stereotypes. I'm just saying that the older I get, the more it seems that some are becoming true, before I even was aware it was a stereotype.

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I really think you should reread this paragraph and think whether this is actually the point you wanted to make. If it is then you're going to have a lot of problems in life.

Hm, really? I seem to be fine, at the moment. Oh, I should remind you that beliefs shared on the internet aren't so often given out in IRL at my age. How many people do you know that would talk about this at 15? Many? I'd sure like to meet them!

Actually, that's not entirely true. While I was gone I brought up this whole topic with my friend, and I think because I am fairly good at speaking verbally (a bit better then writing) I made my point clearly and he agreed.

So, what problems will I have? Elaborate, please. 

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Oh, and if you're just reguritating your mother's views, then I suggest you start reading things like newpapers and start to develop your own views of the world.

What, you don't take the word of people you trust? (And if you can't trust your own mother, that's truely sad  :-\) And yes, although it doesn't seem like it, I do read newspapers. But do you see many newspapers that touch the topic of racism on this specific topic? Not any I read. But if there are any articles on the subject, please refer them to me.  :)

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That there are no inherent differences in mental ability between different races isn't actually an established fact, and is a controversial issue even amongst biologists.  Besides, it isn't racist to acknowledge differences between races, but rather to think differences make certain races (or a race) "better" than others.

Exactly my point! I don't think that any race is better then one another. And whether any inherent differences in mental ability among the various races do not exist remains to be debated, like NiGHTMARE said.

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I'm simply disagreeing with his assertion that race is relevant when it comes to politics, much in the same way that religion should have nothing to do with it.

As I said before (I think) I didn't mean race is a relevant topic when it comes to politics. Gender, on the other hand, in my opinion is. Hm, actually, I don't know. I'm not going to delve quite into this topic, as my topic has changed. But even if racial differences were a problem, politics greatly outweigh these.

Did I make a religious reference? I don't know if I did, or you're just saying that as an example of what is relevant or not.

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After all, it is generally acknowledge that women are better suited to certain mental tasks than men, and visa versa, so there's no reason the same couldn't apply to race.

Another point that I neglected to mention! Or, well, I didn't even think of including. But, yes, that's very true, IMO.

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Because he's trolling? Why else would he just toss out crap like "women should do women's work, but I won't give any reasons or anything, I'll just say my mother told me" unless he was trying to start shit? Or is he just really, really young, like eight or something.

15, actually. A bit young for a topic like these, but I am not entitled to my opinion? No? Then doesn't that mean that you're discriminating against minors?

The whole idea of this thread was just to ask a question that I hope would go well. But, I was wrong. But in this day and age, I should have realized.

Also, Pidgeon/Sim or whoever you are, as I recall, trolling refers to a person starting a topic and then running away watching the fireworks fly. But, I'm still replying, aren't I?

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While that's not the reason for my divorce, I agree that people must do what they need to do. There is a big difference between women who want to work as opposed to women who have to work.

Oh, I know. My mother supports woman who have to work, but not woman who want to work. I think. I'm mixed on the topic, which I don't think I let anyone know. I believe in a bit of my mother's idea, but I also think that if a woman wants to have a job, then good for her. I'm not quite sure. I love my mother and respect her opinions, but...

Actually, did I ever say that I believed in firmly what my mother has said? I may have implied this, but I don't think I actually said it, but only referred to what she said. I suppose that when you refer to something to support an idea you have it shows that you believe in the idea, but firmly? Ack, I'm confusing myself now.  :P

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So, because the extremes of a race/gender type are different, all members of race/gender have the same strengths and weaknesses? I'm not going to believe that. I know women who are both smarter and dumber than me, So what conclusions can I draw from there.

I believe that up in this post, somewhere, I said that stereotypes are true, but not in a degree of covering all persons in the race that the stereotype describes.

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At the extremes, there MAY be differences between race/gender a and b. But for every day life, you can assume they're equally skilled. kthxbai.

Yes, this is a belief that I hold and in basics what I said earlier.

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If Hillary does make it to the White House - and I hope lots of people will vote for her just to annoy the Republicans
Isn't this statement a bit hypocritical? 

Did you not claim that stereotypes of woman are wrongly made, and yet you imply that all Republican's ideals are evil? Isn't that a bit discriminating? Could be wrong.

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Although feminists usually claim to preach equality, many seem to hold (or at least express) extremely sexist beliefs.


I agree. I think this goes along with how woman plee for equality, just as long as men are still chivalrous . "I want to be treated how men are! But I still expect them to open doors for me!"

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IMO, I think we need to cut discharger some slack here.  I've seen several posts in this thread, posted after his, which expressed almost the exact same sentiment just *with much better wording*.  He made no judgments based on race/gender, that I could see, just said that differences do exist & then parroted his mom.

Yes, a bit.  :)

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I'm guessing he is younger than the average board member (heck, if nothing else just based on the facts that he self-nicknamed as "Red Dragon of Death" & also he can apparantly turn around from the computer & ask his mother's opinion).

15, as I said above, so yes, that makes me the youngest poster next to irenicus. (Though I'm not even sure if she counts as a poster (hey, even if I do annoy people, I still make posts that aren't OMG LOL (anymore  :P)))

The Red Dragon of Death thing just goes with my avatar. I don't consider it very immature, since it kind of goes with the whole RPG thing, doesn't it? Of course, RPGing may be considered immature by some people.

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Anyone who feels the need to combat his mother's influence should (again IMO) avoid calling him a racist &/or dismissing his views out of hand & should rather address his points & attempt to persuade him, as opposed to just slamming him into oblivion through insults, if you truly want to influence him.

I agree, once more.

Thanks for not "slamming" me.

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Nah, if we cut him slack it only encourages him. Mind you not cutting him slack only encourages him too. It is for this reason, I believe, sometimes people get cranky with him. He's been young for so long...

Young for so long on a board filled with adults who hold beliefs quite the opposite of mine. It seems gamers are an angry breed. Not a stereotype either, since there are a few of you out there who are pleasant and forgiving.  ;)

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And get yourself a good sex education book. You really need it.

Hah! I didn't expect to read that. Just because I don't know everything about womens' periods, doesn't mean I don't know anything about sex. It's not like I go into IRC and ask things about vaginal erection. I know more things about sex then most people my age. I know this sounds quite bold, but I know so many, many sexual terms and so much slang. So a sexual education book is something I definently do not need. I don't know how to prove this for you, and since it's very hard for people here to take my word for it, I'll just have to say, a big ol' "whatever" until anyone established that I know what I'm talking about, in this direction.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2005, 09:18:56 AM »
I like compulsory voting. Democracy is a responsibility and a duty, not a preference.

I am not sure I agree that democracy is the best form of government - though I am at present unable to offer a better solution. :)

Yeah, I guess Winston was right.


I believe that a poor choice of candidates, mainly also because some voting systems favour one or two parties, and the low esteem for politicians as a cast -sometimes I think even below child molesters, but candidates may vary- make the abstention from the booth even worse than pure democracy fatigue. Being not represente by your government for a number of reasons does nor bring you immediate death as it may be in other systems. You will miss out on a lot though in the long run.

I would also say that anyone who garners barely 50% on a 60% turnout can hardly claim that the majority of a country is behind them which sometimes happen in Austria and we have compulsory voting. I am not only for compulsory voting, but also for a minimum number of voters requirement, a quorum for the vote if you will.

I am not quite sure how a majority of abstentions could be handled by our systems today?

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@My mother supports woman who have to work, but not woman who want to work.

My mother says she doesn't want me to support mothers like your mothers or at least not their views.

 I shall free the oppressed even if they don't want it. :P Come on, El Che could have said that.

@And whether any inherent differences in mental ability among the various races do not exist remains to be debated, like NiGHTMARE said.
...I was just referrring to the fact that people who claim there is absolutely no difference between human races, are stupid,

Well you can jot me down as stupid on your list, but I am sure that many sensible people are right to believe that blacks are good at jumping, humping, singing and getting the most time in jail, while Asians shun democracy like the plague and would rather chew their feet off than leaving their job for a holiday.

Gee who would have thought I run out of racial stereotypes so quickly. So I encourage further enlightenment by the people in the know.


@If you think I'm racist, I apologize.

I am afraid that is not the right approach to this matter.



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Re: Madam President
« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2005, 09:29:28 AM »
I like compulsory voting. Democracy is a responsibility and a duty, not a preference.
What about those Australian citizens who don't want the country to be a democracy?
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2005, 10:08:57 AM »
Well you can jot me down as stupid on your list, but I am sure that many sensible people are right to believe that blacks are good at jumping, humping, singing and getting the most time in jail, while Asians shun democracy like the plague and would rather chew their feet off than leaving their job for a holiday.

Gee who would have thought I run out of racial stereotypes so quickly. So I encourage further enlightenment by the people in the know.

While white-trash isn't technically a racial stereotype, I do offer this top ten list as a light hearted break from the political debating...

10 Ways to tell if a Redneck has been working on a Computer

10. The monitor is up on blocks.
9. Outgoing faxes have tobacco stains on them.
8. The six front keys have rotted out.
7. The extra RAM ports have truck parts stored in them.
6. The numeric keypad only goes up to six.
5. The password is "Bubba".
4. There's a gun rack mounted on the CPU.
3. There's a Coors can in the cup holder(CD-ROM drive).
2. The keyboard is camouflaged.

AND the number 1 way to tell if a redneck has been working on a computer is...

1. The mouse is referred to as a "critter".


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Re: Madam President
« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2005, 11:27:48 AM »
All this, "There's no difference between black and white people, man and woman" is bullshit, to put it bluntly. I mean, I'm not saying that we should go around discriminating blacks if you're white, or whites if you are black. Or men/woman woman/men. There are racial differences! This doesn't mean hatred!

Sorry, that's all. Call me a rascit bastard, I don't give a damn.
I really think you should reread this paragraph and think whether this is actually the point you wanted to make. If it is then you're going to have a lot of problems in life. Oh, and if you're just reguritating your mother's views, then I suggest you start reading things like newpapers and start to develop your own views of the world.

Hm, really? I seem to be fine, at the moment. Oh, I should remind you that beliefs shared on the internet aren't so often given out in IRL at my age. How many people do you know that would talk about this at 15? Many? I'd sure like to meet them!

Actually, that's not entirely true. While I was gone I brought up this whole topic with my friend, and I think because I am fairly good at speaking verbally (a bit better then writing) I made my point clearly and he agreed.

I'd be very happy if there weren't any people - especially not at such a young age - who make up stupid theories and share them with their friends.



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Oh, and if you're just reguritating your mother's views, then I suggest you start reading things like newpapers and start to develop your own views of the world.

What, you don't take the word of people you trust? (And if you can't trust your own mother, that's truely sad  :-\)

I think it's part of growing up to realize that you can't take the correctness of all the opinions your parents/relatives/friends have told you for granted; either their believes turn out to be "wrong" to you personally or on a general basis. It can be painful to see that people you adored as a child cling to silly, old-fashioned or sometimes even ruthless ideas. That doesn't mean you can't love them anymore; you just shouldn't believe everything you're told, but try to get to the bottom of things and find out what's "right" and "wrong".



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While that's not the reason for my divorce, I agree that people must do what they need to do. There is a big difference between women who want to work as opposed to women who have to work.

Oh, I know. My mother supports woman who have to work, but not woman who want to work. I think. I'm mixed on the topic, which I don't think I let anyone know. I believe in a bit of my mother's idea, but I also think that if a woman wants to have a job, then good for her. I'm not quite sure. I love my mother and respect her opinions, but...

Actually, did I ever say that I believed in firmly what my mother has said? I may have implied this, but I don't think I actually said it, but only referred to what she said. I suppose that when you refer to something to support an idea you have it shows that you believe in the idea, but firmly? Ack, I'm confusing myself now.  :P

Yeah, you sounded as if believed in your mother's ideas (which are IMHO not "up-to-date", to put it nicely), since you mentioned them so often without commenting on them.



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And get yourself a good sex education book. You really need it.
Hah! I didn't expect to read that. Just because I don't know everything about womens' periods, doesn't mean I don't know anything about sex. It's not like I go into IRC and ask things about vaginal erection. I know more things about sex then most people my age. I know this sounds quite bold, but I know so many, many sexual terms and so much slang. So a sexual education book is something I definently do not need. I don't know how to prove this for you, and since it's very hard for people here to take my word for it, I'll just have to say, a big ol' "whatever" until anyone established that I know what I'm talking about, in this direction.

It's bold, yes. There are countries where children have their first sex education lessons in elementary school. Anyway, the sex education I'm talking about is not about kinky positions and dirty language, but about a truly scientific approach to all the superstitious nonsense you said about women and periods. People are more than mere slaves to their hormones.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #92 on: November 06, 2005, 02:43:42 PM »
I like compulsory voting. Democracy is a responsibility and a duty, not a preference.

A duty that, in a free society, one should have the right to neglect. What if I am so disgusted with the system that I strongly wish to not vote in protest? I couldn't do that in Australia, because I'd be penalized. Fined, I think. I should not be forced to choose someone I hate the least.

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There is a body of thought here that says the reason American election campaigns cost so much is, that enormous effort has to be put in to just getting people to vote.

A fair point, but I don't think it outweighs the violation of liberty.

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Better have everybody vote, than elect a government with a mandate from only 40% of the population. We have millions of people vote every year too - but I can tell you right now, no compulsory voting, nobody voting.

I think that it is ridiculous to believe that Australia is unqiue in the industrialized world, where most nations have voting as an option and still have millions voting, but Australians would show up in the hundreds only. There is no proof of this, other than your statement that, "Australians hate politicians". 

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2005, 02:54:13 PM »
Not that hard to find, but I enjoyed reading it:

http://www.aceproject.org/main/english/es/esc07a.htm
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2005, 05:16:46 PM »
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My mother says she doesn't want me to support mothers like your mothers or at least not their views.

Nice.

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Well you can jot me down as stupid on your list, but I am sure that many sensible people are right to believe that blacks are good at jumping, humping, singing and getting the most time in jail, while Asians shun democracy like the plague and would rather chew their feet off than leaving their job for a holiday.

Gee who would have thought I run out of racial stereotypes so quickly. So I encourage further enlightenment by the people in the know.

Cute.

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@If you think I'm racist, I apologize.

I am afraid that is not the right approach to this matter.

Hm?

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I appreciate your light-heartedness. :)

Though, sadly, I don't think it'll help much. Too late, I believe.  :-\

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I'd be very happy if there weren't any people - especially not at such a young age - who make up stupid theories and share them with their friends.

I'd be very happy if there waren't any people -especialy not at such an old age - who make up stupid comments and post them on forums.

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I think it's part of growing up to realize that you can't take the correctness of all the opinions your parents/relatives/friends have told you for granted; either their believes turn out to be "wrong" to you personally or on a general basis. It can be painful to see that people you adored as a child cling to silly, old-fashioned or sometimes even ruthless ideas. That doesn't mean you can't love them anymore; you just shouldn't believe everything you're told, but try to get to the bottom of things and find out what's "right" and "wrong".

Ah, but you see, I do disagree on a fair few things that my mother has suggested. And not just "later bedtimes." But in this case, I believe my mother doesn't exactly have silly, old-fashioned ideas. I'm mixed, but I still don't dismiss it as trash. And wasn't the world alot nicer in the old times?

I've noticed that now, people like you think that every idea they have is superior as long as it stays current.

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Yeah, you sounded as if believed in your mother's ideas (which are IMHO not "up-to-date", to put it nicely), since you mentioned them so often without commenting on them

Read above.
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It's bold, yes. There are countries where children have their first sex education lessons in elementary school. Anyway, the sex education I'm talking about is not about kinky positions and dirty language, but about a truly scientific approach to all the superstitious nonsense you said about women and periods. People are more than mere slaves to their hormones.

My info on woman comes from a woman. Don't you think she kind of knows of what she speaks on this?















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Re: Madam President
« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2005, 06:18:37 PM »
My info on woman comes from a woman. Don't you think she kind of knows of what she speaks on this?

Until you and Mom provide a substantial body of evidence of crimes whose execution can be directly blamed on fecundity, I think it's pretty clear how seriously you two should be taken.
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2005, 06:43:10 PM »
My info on woman comes from a woman. Don't you think she kind of knows of what she speaks on this?

Until you and Mom provide a substantial body of evidence of crimes whose execution can be directly blamed on fecundity, I think it's pretty clear how seriously you two should be taken.

I find this very funny actually.  :D

But, can't, sorry. You ask her where she gets her info from.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2005, 07:41:26 PM »
Will Tork have a menstruation banter?
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Re: Madam President
« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2005, 11:32:29 PM »
discharger, you are such a troll. Let's not pretend otherwise.
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A duty that, in a free society, one should have the right to neglect. ... violation of liberty.
If it is a duty, that seems to me to mean we have a responsibility to carry it out, and not just say, "Nah, can't be bothered." The idea that all voices be heard is very important. How many marginalised people don't vote because they don't see the point? Not good. I want to know that it really was a majority of people who picked the country's leader.
I think there are some things that should be legislated, and I don't see it as a denial of freedom. That "violation of liberty" is a justification for the gun laws in America makes me a little sceptical of it as an argument.
The idea that there should be a "don't care" option is a good one I think. This gives people freedom to properly express their views and for it to be registered. At the moment, the only way I can register my dissatisfaction is to vote for The Greens.

My line about "Australians hate politicians" was meant to be interpreted 2 ways - that here in Australia we talk a lot about how much we hate politicians and it is a fairly universal sentiment, or as light hearted hyperbole.

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Re: Madam President
« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2005, 12:20:02 AM »
@Nice. Cute. Hm?

It seems that I should have heeded the advice I have been given quite a while ago that some are not to be reasoned with which I neglected up to now at my own peril. Perhaps you or your relatives have something useful to contibute in the future.
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