Sim, Seb only wanted the database to my old forum after jason asked him for it, before that it had been dead for a year or so, he was told nobody could have it yet he then tried getting it from Marv anyway, only after jason had tried getting it without anyones permission and failed I might add, then jason comes along and calls Marv, well Marv's dad and tries getting a db he does not own and has no right to. Where I come from trying to take something that you know does not belong to you after you have been told "No you can't have it" is stealing. Sorry Attempted Stealing since they failed. Marv was all for deleting the place that night because from what I gather jason tried to make it sound like he was working on behalf of seb. There is was and will be only one owner of that fwp website and database and that is me.