BALDUR'S GATE GAME MISTAKE

[irenicus]

hi i was playing Baldur's gate when i notcied a mistake, in the first game, when you go into Gorions room to read his letter, it tells you of your mother, now it says she was his lover, blah blah blah, and tells you SHE DIED at child birth, so why then, dose it say in throne of bhaal, that gorion killed the PC's mother?

[Reverendratbastard]

 why does that have to be a mistake?
 just because there was A Letter in His Room doesn't mean that everything on it is the perfect truth.
 and that's the sort of thing he could have decided you "weren't ready to know".
 even at twenty.

[Echon]

BECAUSE THRONE OF BHAAL SUCKS?

-Echon

[Reverendratbastard]

 well, aPART from THAT little detail...

[ConkerFan]

It was a 'little white lie' Gorion told you because he didn't want you to know he killed your mother.

[irenicus]

BECAUSE THRONE OF BHAAL SUCKS?

-Echon

*claps* wahey some person with taste!!!

[Kish]

In BG1, Sarevok is deluded and set on a course that would lead to his becoming a vessel for Bhaal's resurrection if he succeeded.  In ToB, Sarevok suddenly knows exactly what you have to do.  And it's not plausible at all that Gorion thinks "your father was an evil god" is something you can handle but "and your mother was one of his priests" is not.  No, they just threw out the BG1 backstory in favor of lots of retcons in ToB.

[Rathwellin the Bard]

In BG1, Sarevok is deluded and set on a course that would lead to his becoming a vessel for Bhaal's resurrection if he succeeded.  In ToB, Sarevok suddenly knows exactly what you have to do.  And it's not plausible at all that Gorion thinks "your father was an evil god" is something you can handle but "and your mother was one of his priests" is not.  No, they just threw out the BG1 backstory in favor of lots of retcons in ToB.

True, true, and true.  Ticks me off every time I play ToB.

[jester]

The problem as with all sequels (see the hooded figures in the closing film of BG2) is that developers tend to make up their minds and then change them continously according to budget constraints, changing deadlines or changing staff and  producers and whatnot. The trouble with this sort of storytelling is also all to visible in what happened to your friend/sister/co-Bhaalspawn Imoen. Sometimes I wonder, if the awe with which 'original' content is seen, is justified given the pains the developers have gone through not to stick to many concepts of BG1 from stats to stories. Many modders (Zealots for sure.) stay a truer course than the original developers it seems. Luckily ToB is too brief to conatin any story elements and thus is very stringent and fullfilling even for the seasoned adventurer.

[irenicus]

i want them to make a third game, you know, if you became a god your sent back to the  realms, or if you stayed you are summoned to your re built pocket plane

and what happens is, is the gods found out the bhaal tant is till within you, because bhaal awoke some how and he is too weak to do anything the only way he can take over the world is if you die, and you find out the only person who can help is good old Jon irenicus, and so the PC and imoen and all the other NPCS (or maybe some new ones) need to find jonny, the bad guy helping bhaal, and Bhaal himself, only to find it was Ellesime who was helping him


(not intentionly of course)

[NiGHTMARE]

Current talk is that BG3 will be a prequel (i.e. set before BG1).

[Smoketest]

Current talk is that BG3 will be a prequel (i.e. set before BG1).

*snicker* Ah, so this is what George Lucas' next project is going to be! (j/k)

[fallen demon]

@ sarevok
while the thing w/ your mother bothered me, saravok learning something in his time serving bhaal isn't unplausible

@irenicus
would like a game after, but that is the worst idea.


ever.

[ConkerFan]

And it's not plausible at all that Gorion thinks "your father was an evil god" is something you can handle but "and your mother was one of his priests" is not.  No, they just threw out the BG1 backstory in favor of lots of retcons in ToB.

I thought the storyline followed through Ok, but it may be just my own opinion. I thought Gorion never informed <CHARNAME> of his mother's fate because it would bring up too many questions, which could ultimately lead to his or her discovery of being a Bhaalspawn.

[Ashara]

I thought Gorion never informed <CHARNAME> of his mother's fate because it would bring up too many questions, which could ultimately lead to his or her discovery of being a Bhaalspawn.

Right. That's why he wrote PC the letter discussed in this particular thread in which he told PC plainly  that s/he *is* a Bhaalspawn.

[NiGHTMARE]

Maybe Gorion was in denial about his former lover becoming a priestess of Bhaal...

[irenicus]

yeah but i still think its wrong, i mean of course <charname> would of asumed her mother was a priestess of bhaal

[irenicus]

and if Sarevok found out HE was a C.o.B by reading didn't <charname> find out?, i mean living there twenty years, he/she must of suspected somthing

[Ashara]

Maybe Gorion was in denial about his former lover becoming a priestess of Bhaal...

And blocked away the memory of killing her substituting it in his mind with the far less disturbing for PC scene of her rape and death while giving birth... the only motivation for that kind of lie would have been to prep PC to hate Bhaal's guts. However if that was the case revealing truth to PC in the ToB was insanity. To me Gorion appeared in full command on his mental faculties... In other words it's back to the 'BG2's and ToB's story lines are full of illogical occurences' postulate.

[irenicus]

thats true, but why didn't Gorion spare her if he loved her, why did he kill her, and dose that also tell us why he only saved (charname) because he loved the women who was her mother? the <charname> was the child he never had?, the child which he asumed was ment to be his,

[NiGHTMARE]

And blocked away the memory of killing her substituting it in his mind with the far less disturbing for PC scene of her rape and death while giving birth...

People don't go into denial about things that affect other people, they go into denial over things that affect themselves.

[irenicus]

And blocked away the memory of killing her substituting it in his mind with the far less disturbing for PC scene of her rape and death while giving birth...

People don't go into denial about things that affect other people, they go into denial over things that affect themselves.

thats extreamly true, but then were stuck with did he lie about loving her in the first place or DID he infact love her but couldn't bring himself to admiting he killed her

[Hendryk]

Gorion's concern for keeping the PC on the right path may have had something to do with his little white lie in the BG1 letter too.  Knowing that your foster father killed your mother who was high priestess to you dead father might tend to sour some people; undo the good effects that Gorion tried to instill in your upbringing and all that.

[irenicus]

Gorion's concern for keeping the PC on the right path may have had something to do with his little white lie in the BG1 letter too. Knowing that your foster father killed your mother who was high priestess to you dead father might tend to sour some people; undo the good effects that Gorion tried to instill in your upbringing and all that.

thats even more true, but he COULD of explained WHY but he may of thought the PC was too young to understand

[irenicus]

but then again i wouldn't think Twenty was young!! young compaired to him yes, but i would of thought she would of understood