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Do you choose to ascend?

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Yes, when I am playing as good.
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hen I am playing as evil.
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yes, when I am playing as neutral.
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Author Topic: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?  (Read 17567 times)

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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2004, 10:20:13 PM »
your missing the option of sometimes.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2004, 10:24:41 PM »
I couldn't choose godhood, evar.

Mostly because I imagine what I would be like as a god, and yeesh. Things are better off without me gaining immeasurable power. ^_^

Although, I did go through and listen to the Kelsey crying sound file, and it broke my heart to even listen to it. I don't think I will never ascend if I'm involved with Kelsey. I think I might die of shame.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2004, 10:31:50 PM »
"Yes, when romancing Viconia or Anomen.  No, when romancing Aerie, Jaheira, or Kelsey."

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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2004, 04:17:50 AM »
As for having enough opportunities to discuss this beforehand: It is not that we are on a journey (at least I am not in BG2) to whack some dragons, elves or giants or gain a huge amount of treasures (Sorry, Korgan), I went straight for my shot at being one of the big guys. I always thought during my romantic endeavour that I should quit my quest and life happily ever after. Sense of duty? Not me. Sense of danger? There has been worse? Am I a god? let other gods deal with that. I think this option would be totally viable for the romantically inclined which are quite a few I see. :)


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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2004, 07:55:53 AM »
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Mostly because I imagine what I would be like as a god, and yeesh. Things are better off without me gaining immeasurable power. ^_^

Yeah. I can safely say God-Red would make me live in a hut and grow tomatos, or something.

As for God. Meh. If I felt like it at the time. God-Mael. Yeeeah.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2004, 05:02:16 PM »
why not become a god? don't you want to hear about yourself? :P

some worshippers would be nice any tales

instead of hearing of bhaal u hear of the <CHARNAME> wich is a lot better :P

i mean isn't the game made for u to be a god? you've been a mortal for your whole life achange really woulnd't mind eh? :)

and besides if u are a god u can still walk to mortal plane  :pirate you ain't a god for nothing are ya?

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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2004, 06:01:16 PM »
Yeah. I can safely say God-Red would make me live in a hut and grow tomatos, or something.

Who says I would make you do anything at all? I can be a benevolent boss.

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As for God. Meh. If I felt like it at the time. God-Mael. Yeeeah.

I can see it now. An arse-shaking, poorly-tempered, barely-intelligible Oz god. Yeeeah. Right.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2004, 06:47:55 PM »
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2004, 07:45:30 PM »
Yes become a god. I work so hard to achieve it. I deserve to be a god, feel the power and do as I wish, bending my followers to my will.  :pirate
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2004, 09:54:42 PM »
I'd like to see a simple mod that changes the epilogues so that, if one chooses to ascend, he or she makes his or her companions Chosen.

  yeah, what the hell, it's perfect for at least any of the evils, even valygar...  (mazzy, keldorn or anomen might lose their jobs. if anomen even still has a job, of course.)
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2004, 10:25:45 PM »
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2004, 10:37:40 PM »
I always choose to stay mortal.  Being a god sounds like too much work to me, answering prayers and whatnot.  Not to mention guarding your back from all the gods you pissed off getting to the Throne
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2004, 05:47:25 AM »
I always choose to stay mortal.  Being a god sounds like too much work to me, answering prayers and whatnot.  Not to mention guarding your back from all the gods you pissed off getting to the Throne

answering prayer yup yup go down and kill him/her. after all your the god of murder :)


stil one question came up to me

Bhaal is an evil god if i am not mistaken
and paladins destroy evil or whatever shouldn't paladins then not always choose to stay mortal? they shouldn't have the option to be god

even if he choosed to be a god and do all good stuff then you ain't the real god of murder is there? :)

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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2004, 05:55:33 AM »
Bhaal was never the god of murder.  He was the God of Death.  His title was Lord of Murder because he preferred to emphasize the negative/evil aspects of his portfolio, being a Lawful Evil god, but death is completely neutral and can be spun in a manner that favors any alignment.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2004, 05:56:10 AM »
Jeez, I played ToB less than pretty much anyone, and even I know that the Solar winds up telling you that you have the power to shape the Essence the way you want.  Not without difficulty, mind you, but paladins are all about overcoming difficulties.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2004, 07:25:47 AM »
but death is completely neutral and can be spun in a manner that favors any alignment.

  i'd sleep a lot less soundly knowing that the current holder of the death portfolio was CN. :o
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2004, 08:44:16 AM »
Bhaal was never the god of murder.  He was the God of Death.  His title was Lord of Murder because he preferred to emphasize the negative/evil aspects of his portfolio, being a Lawful Evil god, but death is completely neutral and can be spun in a manner that favors any alignment.

eh wtf?

there is a book in iwd that tells mythos bhaal and some other twat used to take over some other god
can;t remember wich one

and each got a piece
mythos was good of dead
bhaal of murder
and forgot third one

SO BHAAL is INDEED god of murder!!:D

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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2004, 09:14:54 AM »

  even going by the original 1e Forgotten Realms release (yes, i have those grey softcovers), and following through the culmination of the time of troubles / changeover to 2e (which i will never forgive bg1 for falling short of), it seems like murder is inclusively what he cares most about.  he is the quintessential patron of assassins, and when he dies all assassins simultaneously die.  note - 'the death process' does not go awry, but the professional class of murderers is eliminated in one fell swoop.  i don't think it's overstepping to call him A or The God of Murder.  plus which myrkul was more death-spanning in his time, albeit his personal focus being undeath...  word for word he was of 'the dead' iirc?  time to rifle the basement...
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2004, 09:24:45 AM »
from the book in BG2:

History of the Dead Three:  'KNUCKLEBONES, SKULL BOWLING, AND THE EMPTY THRONE'

In ages past there was but one god of strife, death, and the dead, and he was known as Jergal, Lord of the End of Everything.  Jergal fomented and fed on the discord among mortals and powers alike.  When beings slew each other in their quest for power or in their hatred, he welcomed them into his shadowy kingdom of eternal gloom.  As all things died, everything came to him eventually, and over time he built his power into a kingdom unchallenged by any other god.  Eventually, however, he grew tired of his duties for he knew them too well.  Without challenge there is nothing, and in nothingness there is only gloom.  In such a state, the difference between absolute power and absolute powerlessness is undetectable. 

During this dark era, there arose three powerful mortals - Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul - who lusted after the power Jergal wielded.  The trio forged an unholy pact, agreeing that they would dare to seek such ultimate power or die in the attempt.  Over the length and breadth of the Realms they strode, seeking powerful magic and spells and defying death at every turn.  No matter what monster they confronted or what spells they braved, the three mortals emerged unscathed at every turn.  Eventually the trio destroyed one of the Seven Lost Gods, and they each seized a portion of his divine essence for themselves. 

The trio then journeyed into the Gray Waste and sought out the Castle of Bone.  Through armies of skeletons, legions of zombies, hordes of noncorporeal undead, and a gauntlet of liches they battled.  Eventually they reached the object of their lifelong quest - the Bone Throne. 

"I claim this throne of evil," shouted Bane the tyrant.  "I'll destroy you before you can raise a finger," threatened Bhaal the assassin. "And I shall imprison your essence for eternity," promised Myrkul the necromancer.

Jergal arose from his throne with a weary expression and said, "The Throne is yours.  I have grown weary of this empty power.  Take it if you wish - I promise to serve and guide you as your seneschal until you grow comfortable with the position."  Before the stunned trio could react, the Lord of the Dead continued: "Who among you shall rule?"

The trio immediately fell to fighting amongst themselves while Jergal looked on with indifference.  When eventually it appeared that either they would all die of exhaustion or battle on for an eternity, the Lord of the End of Everything intervened.  "After all you have sacrificed, would you come away with nothing?  Why don't you divide the portfolios of the office and engage in a game of skill for them?" asked Jergal. 

Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul considered the god's offer and agreed.  Jergal took the heads of his three most powerful liches and gave them to the trio that they would compete by bowling the skulls.  Each mortal rolled a skull across the Gray Waste, having agreed that the winner would be he who bowled the farthest. 

Malar the Beastlord arrived to visit Jergal at this moment.  After quickly ascertaining that the winner of the contest would get all of Jergal's power, he chased off after the three skulls to make sure that the contest would be halted until he had a chance to participate for part of the prize.  Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul again fell to fighting as it was obvious their sport was ruined, and again Jergal intervened.  "Why don't you allow Lady Luck to decide so you don't have to share with the Beast?"

The trio agreed, and Jergal broke off his skeletal finger bones and gave them to the players.  When Malar returned from chasing the skulls, he found that the trio had just finished a game of knucklebones.

Bane cried out triumphantly, "As winner, I choose to rule for all eternity as the ultimate tyrant.  I can induce hatred and strife at my whim, and all will bow down before me while in my kingdom."

Myrkul, who had won second place, declared, "But I choose the dead, and by doing so I truly win, because all you are lord over, Bane, will eventually be mine.  All things must die - even gods."

Bhaal, who finished third, demurred, "I choose death, and it is by my hand that all that you rule Lord Bane will eventually pass to Lord Myrkul.  Both of you must pay honor to me and obey my wishes, since I can destroy your kingdom, Bane, by murdering your subjects, and I can starve your kingdom, Myrkul, by staying my hand."

Malar growled in frustration, but could do nothing, and yet again only the beasts were left for him. 

And Jergal merely smiled, for he had been delivered. 

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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2004, 11:58:43 AM »
  and in his fundamental conception of the moment, it boils down to "murdering" or "staying my hand".  his fundamental outlook is murder or not-murder.  i still don't see anyone being wrong.  it's not like he had to give up 'the murder portfolio' to someone else.  going by 'lord of murder' points at his obsessive concern with the means, none of the ends.
  and up-to-date, with bhaal and myrkul really dead and bane not really dead, cyric, acknowledged as having nabbed portfolios from all three, has murder among his spheres and not death.  in fact, no deity in the faerunian pantheon has a 'death' portfolio anymore.  the portfolio has been disseminated into its components, i'm guessing.  there is no notation of the force/process/effects of death having ever undergone any change.  (as compared to all assassins dropping dead).  therefore i reckon it a safe assumption that, though verbally selecting death, he (poor fixated fellow that he was, but a damn fine planner) never really put his effort into the whole of the portfolio, and all of the non-murder aspects drifted off, to be assimilated by whomever was paying attention.  (and by now mask, shar, and hoar have generously split the adoption of assassins back into the folds of the sponsored...)
  admittedly, the new crew seems to have sort of ignored the missing undead portfolio, merely having kelemvor's clergy 'speak out against those who would unnaturally prolong their lifespan'.  it galls me that there isn't even a patron of necromancy (kangaxx for ill-enlightened despot!) (hey, greyhawk at least got vecna at one time or another), seeing as how azuth is a generalist and goody-mystra would obviously gloss over certain aspects of the art.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2004, 01:10:16 PM »
As previously announced at another forum I would want to become the god of sliced bread and rule the morning together with Chauntea and Lathander.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2004, 02:26:05 PM »
 so who would be the well-honed intermediary between yourself and the [presumably halfling] deity of Bread Itself?
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2004, 06:09:49 PM »
My characters tend to ascend to Godhood; it is their heritage.

I rarely have a 'romance' active so it doesn't make much of a difference to epilogues, though.
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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2004, 09:05:54 PM »
so who would be the well-honed intermediary between yourself and the [presumably halfling] deity of Bread Itself?

Ah, I believe you refer to the demi-god known as The Next Best Thing Since.

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Re: Do you choose to become a god in ToB?
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2004, 12:53:11 AM »
the demi-god known as The Next Best Thing Since.

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