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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2004, 06:07:59 AM »


The question asked by Lord Doomhammer was whether or not he should don a dress in order to fool the gaming industry into believing that more than 10% of players were woman.

 
1. He can wear a nappy if he likes. No-one can see him.(Makes sticky note to organise theft of Lord Doomhammer's web-cam.)
2. We wouldn't be fooling them. I think there ARE more than 10% of women involved in computer gaming. You are more proof! (Adds Regullus to list.)
3. All we need is to convince computer game producers is that they need to make INTERESTING games. To do this we need to convince them that CRPG players are intelligent. Therefore I suggested that male players pretend to be female.(Runs from howling misogynistic mob that immediately gathers on web-site.)

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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2004, 11:15:06 AM »
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There is only one solution. All male CPRG players will have to start pretending to be female. This is going to be a problem for people like Jester and possibly Greyfain, to name but a few, but a sacrifice is called for, for the greater good of gaming.
One question, will I need a dress?
Yes and preferably garters too.
Garters????? i'm 51 years old and i've NEVER owned garters!!! (yeah , yeah, im 51 and i still play computer games) i refuse to grow up LOL

The question asked by Lord Doomhammer was whether or not he should don a dress in order to fool the gaming industry into believing that more than 10% of players were woman. I think we would all agree that in 2004, a woman is not defined by a socially proscribed manner of dressing. It is an old fashioned idea that a woman would be defined by a certain type of clothing. My response of garters, was to indicate an extremely old fashioned notion of dressing, I was thinking of WWII and probably in the '50s. While you were born in the '50s, it would have been, obviously, inappropriate to dress a toddler in garters. Perhaps I should have added a smillie (limited though they are) to my post. In short, I was joking.
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Yeah because that's what women wear in 2004. ::)

If I offended anyone by my teasing "garter" remark, well, I apologize. Obviously, a poor and ill received joke.

 PS: If I missed Melora's teasing, call me tired. As for Melora being 51 and playing computer games? Hey, nothing wrong with that. :)

PPS: BTW, I am female.
 

its okay, i was joking too..... sometimes its hard to tell online when you cant hear the tone of voice or see the posters facial expression. i wasnt at all offended by your "garter" comment. i thought it was pretty funny, and clever. ;D
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2004, 04:54:02 PM »
Perhaps the marked lack of garters is what's fooling the marketing groups.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2004, 05:27:31 PM »
Perhaps the marked lack of garters is what's fooling the marketing groups.

Considering that most RPGs are set in a medeival type setting, maybe what's lacking is chainmail bikinis among customers?
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2004, 05:53:41 PM »
Considering that most RPGs are set in a medeival type setting, maybe what's lacking is chainmail bikinis among customers?

That would, without a doubt, be included in the employees' questionnaires about customers.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2004, 07:57:37 PM »
Perhaps the marked lack of garters is what's fooling the marketing groups.

Considering that most RPGs are set in a medeival type setting, maybe what's lacking is chainmail bikinis among customers?
Sounds like wishful thinking! :)
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2004, 08:43:19 PM »
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heh. i dont have a webcam, I figured exposing my face to the public would constitute a crime against humanity.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2004, 06:10:11 PM »
I have just read an article in PC Powerplay (100th edition) that claims that middle-aged women are the most common users of on-line games. PC Powerplay goes on to claim we will see games with immersive worlds that explore social and emotional aspects of story-telling.
Good work, boys! Although with Greyfain STILL talking about chainmail bikinis( She hands him instructional booklet entitled How To Pretend To Be a Woman and he notes it specifically says women hate chainmail bikinis because they're scratchy) I was fearful it would take a LONG time. This is beyond my wildest expectations. :D

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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2004, 06:23:02 PM »
Chainmail bikinis eh. Go blame Luis Rojo and all the artwork guys for perpetuating this myth.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2004, 09:06:03 PM »
Oh, yes, the famous "she fights nacked" style. :D That looked *especially* lovely in the IWD art... right when they were crossing all these snowy planes...

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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2004, 09:16:22 PM »
Oh, yes, the famous "she fights nacked" style. :D That looked *especially* lovely in the IWD art... right when they were crossing all these snowy planes...

Womens' skin is made of a super-strong material that turns away sword points and feels no cold, after all. :D
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2004, 09:43:46 PM »
Is that why you need all those moisturizers and stuff I see on TV?
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2004, 07:53:34 AM »
Whatever works...and while I would think it rather unfeasible to "fight nacked"...a somewhat scantily clad female is always good for the eyes:-)
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2004, 06:23:19 PM »
Whatever works...and while I would think it rather unfeasible to "fight nacked"...a somewhat scantily clad female is always good for the eyes:-)

um,,, wouldnt that depend on the female's "endowments" ?  and besides, i could go for a bare chested male any day.  equal opportunity, right?
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2004, 07:43:38 PM »
Whatever works...and while I would think it rather unfeasible to "fight nacked"...a somewhat scantily clad female is always good for the eyes:-)

um,,, wouldnt that depend on the female's "endowments" ? and besides, i could go for a bare chested male any day. equal opportunity, right?

I'm all for the equal opportunity.

However, clothing that's so ludicrously incompatible with what people would really wear does not "work". It fails. It shouts "YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME AND WE ARE PANDERING". Blech.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2004, 09:20:50 PM »
I'd like to point out, totally off topic, that not all men must die.  Not all of us will get this, btw.  Much more of an inside joke than anythin else.

For instance, Selmy (as old and perfect a candidate to die as he is) will never really be dead.  Even if he's killed in a brutal, nasty fashion, he's super famous and kicks butt.  Though, he only kicks butt b/c he serves Daenerys.  Who kicks butt b/c she's got da dragons.  Which kick butt b/c..... er..... does that really need an explanation?
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Personally, I think that computer games HAVE gotten out of control in their blatant, pointless, masculinity.  For any otaku out there who have seen Escaflowne (the real version, not the trash the stupid American censors played n TV)- was it not great b/c it was shojo?  Was it not one of the best anime ever created simply for the reason that it had character development, emotional maturing AND testosterone-laden battles?  IMHO, the gaming industry has a lot to learn from Escaflowne:

1.) Get Yoko Kano to compose all the music for every game anywhere.  Period.

2.) Make sure that the plot of the game not only makes sense but is deeply developed, somewhat depressing and very powerful.

3.) The characters get better the more outrageously they deviate from the social norm.  Though Alan is obviously the "Noble Knight" dude, he's really abusive in subtle ways and did mess around with a girl he wasn't supposed to.

4.) Put Folken in everything.  He's the number 1 coolest character on earth.  This rule does totally abandon rule #3, but Folken is just too cool to emit from anything.  Especially if you've seen the series the whole way through.

There's probably a lot more than can be learned from Escaflowne by the gaming industry, but it's 10:20 on a schoolnight and my parents are yelling at me.  'Sides: I got a final to study for on Thursday.  Ar!
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2004, 10:25:06 PM »
I'm gonna have to agree that women are too... unnatural... in many ways, in video & computer games. For one, I think it actually gives gamer guys a bad name, and a lack of credit on behalf of the companies who make games. I'm sure lots of guys don't mind a little sexiness in their games, but aren't you a bit insulted when a company makes an absolutely horrific game, but adds a bunch of nubile females and then expects you to buy it and like it simply because it's full of scantily clad women? I know I would be if I were pigeonholed into a similar category. Another thing is the aforementioned lack of equality. It wouldn't be *quite* so annoying to be playing games with busty, barely clothed women everywhere if there weren't men standing next to them with every inch of their bodies covered. This inequality is so blatant that it's annoying in and of itself. Now, I also know that there are genuinely good games out there that do use women as a selling point but it's an obstacle to my enjoyment of a game when it's portrayals of women are so unrealistic.

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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2004, 10:25:11 PM »
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2004, 05:07:59 AM »
It's just anoter bastard child of sexist America, corporate America and the pervasive, damaging, uncontrolled capitalism our moral beliefs have been sold to.  To quote the great David Orr, "Communism failed as an aesthetic morality.  Capitalism failed because it destroys morality altogether."  And it does.  Unalduterated capitalism can be one of the single most damaging things a society can suffer from.  Companies have to do anything for money, simply because capitalism works like that.  Remember, "Communism produced too little at too great a cost.  Capitalism produced too much, shared too little and comes at too great a cost to our children and grandchildren." It doesn't help that Bush has given us a Trillion-dollar-deficit to work off; for a powerful hail to this, I recommend http://www.moveon.org
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To recap, capitalism is bad because it makes companies think they have to go to any extent to sell their games, even if it means destroying the beauty of the human body through its exploitation.

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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2004, 05:17:43 AM »
Actually your wonderful work with the Bams, well if they are bams, should definitely stay, but the general notion is funny. I always thought that very often the covered parts of an amazon ostensibly keep off blows, but really point at the uncovered parts. :D

Edit: Corrected the last sentence to prevent Curst from slipping into grammar hell.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2004, 08:16:53 AM »
What don't people know that most video game programers don't have girl friends?

Though seriously I do agree that its sad that most "female" characters in video games, look way to "top" heavey. And that two strips of cloth somehow class as clothing regardless of the fact that you could be playing volleyball in it, or fighting off legions of evil arms. Somehow I don't think they would be that good for protecting anything.

Like get real, just because people now like showing their navel dosn't mean that people want be showing it when they could get an arrow or spear through it.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2004, 12:14:28 PM »
To recap, capitalism is bad because it makes companies think they have to go to any extent to sell their games, even if it means destroying the beauty of the human body through its exploitation.
But it's not destroying the beauty of it... more, uh, appreciating it.

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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2004, 03:08:24 PM »
I'd like to point out, totally off topic, that not all men must die.  Not all of us will get this, btw.  Much more of an inside joke than anythin else.

Yes, whights for instance... But he follows this simple rule with amazing persistency so far :)

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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2004, 03:16:48 PM »
To recap, capitalism is bad because it makes companies think they have to go to any extent to sell their games, even if it means destroying the beauty of the human body through its exploitation.
But it's not destroying the beauty of it... more, uh, appreciating it.

Most of the "female" bodies in games don't bear more than a passing resemblance to the bodies of real women. If they did, we would all have serious back problems and never eat. It's not "appreciating" the human body when it's distorting it into weird proportions and pretending that the body needs neither food nor clothing to survive. It's not "appreciating" the beauty of women when the only thing that matters about those graphical constructions is their impossible proportions. It's insulting to real women to say this is what women are or should be, and it's insulting to men to imply that they prefer silicone to flesh, let alone intelligence.
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Re: Romance-in-gaming article
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2004, 05:25:21 PM »
Nor protection against weapons.

That attitude leads to hilareous things like this - the following is the quote from a mod; it is a description of PLATE MAIL (!)

Despite being very protective, this armour does little to detract from NPC's sexuality and actually proves to be quite provocative. That could be handy in a combat situation to distract enemy's attention.

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