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Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 13, 2003, 03:10:01 PM
The usual .. :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 13, 2003, 07:14:12 PM
Interjections, eh? *ponders* Light hearted and heavy? *thinks more* Well... it's a really silly idea but most interjections with Sola are somewhat negative in nature. He's always on the defensive when dealing with the 'common' folk, might be intresting if one of the common folk reacts plesantly. Tassa comes to mind because she states she likes 'pretty' things if your PC's charisma is high. Maybe when you talk to her with Sola, she takes a shining to him? Something a little more funny/silly than usual or whatever. ^_^;                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on February 13, 2003, 08:27:13 PM
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Tassa comes to mind because she states she likes 'pretty' things if your PC's charisma is high. Maybe when you talk to her with Sola, she takes a shining to him? Something a little more funny/silly than usual or whatever. ^_^;
                   That's a very good pairing of people but in the normal game sequence, how would they meet?  Without CLUA, of course.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 13, 2003, 08:41:42 PM
You don't go directly to Bodhi's when you get to the surface, rather you drag Sola along with you when you recruit people to help fight Bodhi. After all the Shadow Theives can help you out if you ask. ^_^                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 14, 2003, 03:53:39 PM
Elhan.. once you go back to him to go to Suden-whatever. He probably would have a thing or two to say.

And if Vic's in the party also, that comment of hers about one drow in the party isn't enough jars a bit if Sola is there too.

*goes back to pondering*
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 09:22:00 PM
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Elhan.. once you go back to him to go to Suden-whatever. He probably would have a thing or two to say.
I believe there was some discussion at one point about having Elhan make Sola take a geas before letting him into Suldanesselar. That could be interesting...                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 14, 2003, 09:32:49 PM
Elhan would proably do something like that. Snotty elf. ]_[                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 14, 2003, 09:33:17 PM
Have a Jaheira interjection idea...um, thoughts, please? Now, Solaufein must've noticed the very un-Drow-like surfacer habit of getting married/till death do us part, that sort of thing. Jaheira, like Sola himself, has lost a loved one. Perhaps if Solaufein were to ask Jaheira about the implications of dedicating your life to someone through (formal) marriage, and the implications of losing that someone later on...?

I'll volunteer to write this. I like Jaheira, and I know Tsuru-sama doesn't.  :P

PS: Anyone else noticed Solaufein would make an excellent goth?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 14, 2003, 09:35:40 PM
*koff* Someone should smack Elhan upside his head. Solaufein would be too honorable to do it. But Charname has no such jitteriness...I recall lurking during that Sola geas discussion. Solaufein would probably be too honorable to say no...                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 14, 2003, 09:37:51 PM
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PS: Anyone else noticed Solaufein would make an excellent goth?
                   .... He would.  :o  But he would have to keep away from black clothing, just doesn't do too well with the 'black-blue'/'dark brown' skin tone. Tho the BGII drow skin tone (grey-blue),  black would work great.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 09:39:41 PM
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Have a Jaheira interjection idea...um, thoughts, please? Now, Solaufein must've noticed the very un-Drow-like surfacer habit of getting married/till death do us part, that sort of thing. Jaheira, like Sola himself, has lost a loved one. Perhaps if Solaufein were to ask Jaheira about the implications of dedicating your life to someone through (formal) marriage, and the implications of losing that someone later on...?
I think that could make an excellent banter. Sola could start out by asking Jaheira about the idea and then moving on to ask her about her experiences with Khalid.
It could make a good prelude to the commitment dialogue Wes has promised us.

If you want/need any help with it, please let me know. I'm a Jaheira fan, too. :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 14, 2003, 09:52:23 PM
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But he would have to keep away from black clothing, just doesn't do too well with the 'black-blue'/'dark brown' skin tone. Tho the BGII drow skin tone (grey-blue), black would work great.

The drow skintone/color combos are already pretty dark, I think. Adding black on Sola *would* be a bit much, you're right...Who was it that described Sola as Heathcliff?

Re: Athena. Neato! Will PM you when I get something down, feel free to PM me with your ideas too. Let's see where this goes. Wes has a commitment dialogue in the works?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 09:55:54 PM
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Solaufein would probably be too honorable to say no...
I'm not sure about that. Sola has spent nearly all his life being controlled, and he's just escaped that. I'm not sure how willing he would be to put his life in the hands of someone who hates his guts.
I don't think he'd have a violent reaction, but I do think he'd be quite opposed to the idea of giving someone who he doesn't know or trust that power over him. A friend of mine, who plays a drow character in my D&D campaign, once said: "You can take the drow out of the Underdark, but you can't take all the Underdark out of the drow." One of the first things a drow learns in the Underdark is that you must never give anyone power over you. If you do, you deserve what you get. Sola had this lesson reinforced when Phaere was taken from him.

Sola has, in all likelihood, learned to trust the PC, but he's had time to get to know them. Elhan doesn't have the time or the inclination to attempt to befriend the drow. Sola might consent to the geas, but I think a lot of his response would depend on how the PC reacted to this idea.

Oh, and about the commitment dialogue: Wes was talking about it several months ago, and about a week ago he posted telling us he was thinking about how to go about it, so I would say one is in the works.
I'll PM you one or two of the thoughts I've had about the banter. Nothing specific so far, but a couple of thoughts on how it might go.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 14, 2003, 10:04:58 PM
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Sola might consent to the geas, but I think a lot of his response would depend on how the PC reacted to this idea.

A reaction to Elhan based on the PC is a good thing. Hmm. Tsuru-sama, is that workable? Sola would probably also take into account how the PC reacts to Vic's geas, so Sola's reaction to Elhan would come after the PC decides on Vic. Or he might see that Vic is willing to go along with the geas, and come up with some pondering of his own from there...                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 10:12:33 PM
I was always surprised that Viconia took to the idea of the geas as calmly as she did. A lot of biting sarcasm is involved, yes, but I was surprised that she agreed so quickly.

At the very least I'd like an option to tell Elhan that if anything happens to Sola as a result of the geas, Elhan's life will be very unpleasant.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 14, 2003, 10:33:37 PM
Viconia did take it awfully well. Maybe it's one of those pre-hints to the alignment change in ToB. I always have Vic and Jaheira in my party. Excellent catfights those two have. And since Kelsey's sidequest lets me conveniently change gender...and Solaufein doesn't care either way...

Yes. Definitely an option to slit that vile elf's throat if Sola got hurt. *snarl*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 10:47:14 PM
Don't get me started on the alignment change. Otherwise I'll start ranting about Bioware's stupid belief that if you aren't sleeping with a person (Imoen aside, of course) you obviously aren't close to them and can't make an impact on their life.

As for slitting the elf's throat...well, I think Sola would protest if you put it in those terms.  :) But I think the PC would be well within his/her rights to dictate the terms of casting the geas.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 14, 2003, 10:56:59 PM
'course we've gotta remember if one does do an interjection with Sola/Ehlan, we need to consider about the people who find it a progetive to go out and save the Elven-City-With-Too-Many-Constants. RPG wise I don't know if a PC should/would risk their neck for some ol' drow if they just barely knew them. ^_^

Of course, knowing this part of the game is pretty linear, I just go around and tie up any loose ends in quests before going to the Elven-City-With-Too-Many-Constants (or EVWTMC).  [_[                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 11:14:55 PM
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Of course, knowing this part of the game is pretty linear, I just go around and tie up any loose ends in quests before going to the Elven-City-With-Too-Many-Constants (or EVWTMC).  [_[
That's generally what I do.   B) Hey, we have to get Imoen up in levels.

And I hear you about PCs who might not want to complain. The way I'm starting to invision the dialogue, I think there would be at least one branch for PCs who don't feel like kicking up a fuss about the geas.
I'm also thinking there could be a branch for those PCs who feel like rushing right off to Suldanessellar and haven't had a lot of time to get to know Sola yet, but who are morally opposed to the idea of a geas. They probably met Lothander in BG1, and they know about Yoshimo...maybe based off those two experiences, they're completely against the idea. And especially after what Irenicus has done to them, they may be appalled at the thought of virtually enslaving Sola.
But we'll see. I'll keep thinking about it.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on February 14, 2003, 11:18:25 PM
You may also want to think about what the PC will say  if he/she is either good or evil. An evil aligned character wouldn't mind keeping a drow fighter/mage under a geas, while a good aligned character might oppose it.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 11:28:50 PM
Yes. I'm not entirely sure what exactly would be said, but alignment's definitely on the list of variables.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on February 14, 2003, 11:37:13 PM
If you only have a vague idea of what you would want the PC to say, I would be happy to piece it together and fill it out a bit.  Methinks that Tsuru would want me to do more than one romantic conversation in any case. ;)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 14, 2003, 11:41:29 PM
:D

Okay. I'm going do a little more thinking on this, but I'll definitely want your input at some point. (I hesitate to say 'before long' or anything, because when I do that my muse tends to take an extended vacation, but she seems to be with me on this one...)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 15, 2003, 12:10:12 AM
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I'll volunteer to write this. I like Jaheira, and I know Tsuru-sama doesn't.  :P
                   I never said I don't like Jah, she just makes me nuts ;)

Let's remember interjections are between Sola and non-joinable NPC's, like Elhan, shopkeepers, etc. Interjections into PC/NPC and party members talking to each other would probably best be discussed in the dialogues section so we don't get all confused here :) That make sense?

                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 15, 2003, 12:13:01 AM
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A reaction to Elhan based on the PC is a good thing. Hmm. Tsuru-sama, is that workable? Sola would probably also take into account how the PC reacts to Vic's geas, so Sola's reaction to Elhan would come after the PC decides on Vic. Or he might see that Vic is willing to go along with the geas, and come up with some pondering of his own from there...
                   You mean the PC's alignment? Yes, I believe it can be coded to check for alignment, but you'd have to come up with more responses. It's just as easy to write a good, evil and neutral response so the player can choose. I hate to admit it, but even when playing a good character, I've been known to choose a snippy response if my PC is having a bad day after all ;)

                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 15, 2003, 12:36:48 AM
From our wonderful Anon. comes an Elhan/Sola interjection:

Elhan1: You return. All has been relatively quiet…you parade a drow before me! Here!!!//goto PC1

Elhan1a: You return. All has been relatively quiet…you have a second drow in your company!//goto PC1- used only if Viconia is also in party

PC1: Successful foes of the drow in the Underdark are few. Where else would a renegade from that place be if not in my company?//goto Elhan2

Elhan2: You presume far too much of my trust in *you*, CHARNAME! Death will take you along with your drow!//goto Solaufein1

Solaufein1: Really, Captain! You sound like an hysterical child, affrighted by an insect.//goto Elhan3

Elhan3: Ha! Let your home be taken, your people slaughtered….//goto Solaufein2

Solaufein2: *My* people have been slaughtered. By CHARNAME. With assistance from myself.//goto Elhan4

Elhan4: NO! My people have suffered too much from yours. I will not permit you to live1//goto Solaufein3

Solaufein3: This not unexpected attitude was my reason for evading your attentions when we left this place. CHARNAME, however, persuaded me that my appearance by HIS/HER side in your city might distract from the effort against the enemy should I return as privily as I departed. You have nothing to gain from justifying my earlier apprehension.//goto Elhan5

Elhan5: I gain assurance that the enemy will not profit if you are a double-traitor! A spy!//goto PC2

PC2: Indeed. Irenicus holds Suldanesselar already. There I would go to settle my accounts with him. What would I or Solaufein spy upon in what, to him, is conquered territory?//goto Elhan6

Elhan6: You dare speak of Suldanesselar…//goto Solaufein4

Solaufein4: Since we *are* speaking of it, perhaps this might ease your mind somewhat.//goto Elhan7

Elhan7: The Rhynn Lanthorn! Then…we are not lost…not yet…//goto PC3

PC3: No. But we may be if we dither here much longer.//goto Elhan8

Elhan8: Yes. But…trust…I do not see how…//c6warsa11

c6warsa11: Sir! I have been attending to this conversation. ‘Tis my belief…nay, my certainty…that both CHARNAME and the drow speak truly to you.//goto c6warsa21

c6warsa21: I concur. I have also been…assessing CHARNAME. I do not believe that we have a sharper weapon in our arsenal to pierce the Shattered One’s heart.//goto Elhan9

Elhan9: My own heart is so torn between hope and fear that it must also shatter…//goto Elhan10

Elhan10: Then so be it! For good or ill, to Suldanesselar!!//end & to area2600 normally


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Comments, thoughts, or does everyone like it as much as I do? :)


Edited to fix typo in numbering!
                   



[!--EDIT|Tsuru|Feb 15 2003, 12:24 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on February 15, 2003, 12:42:40 AM
It's good, but....

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Solaufein3: This not unexpected attitude was my reason for evading your attentions when we left this place. CHARNAME, however, persuaded me that my appearance by HIS/HER side in your city might distract from the effort against the enemy should I return as privily as I departed. You have nothing to gain from justifying my earlier apprehension.//goto Elhan5

...where is Elhan5 responce?
 :blink:                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 15, 2003, 12:45:12 AM
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...where is Elhan5 responce?
 :blink:
Ach, didn't even notice that.. oh Anon., dear? :)

I tend not to notice numbers till I'm actually coding *blush*
                   



[!--EDIT|Tsuru|Feb 14 2003, 11:45 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 15, 2003, 12:45:23 AM
It's not bad but the grammer is a bit rough...                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 15, 2003, 12:46:53 AM
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It's not bad but the grammer is a bit rough...
                   You've been around me too long ;)

I should clarify that this is a first draft, meant for posting for ideas and other thoughts on what else should be included.
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 15, 2003, 12:48:23 AM
First off, I really do like it. :) I think the bad blood between the surface elves and the drow is very well portrayed.
My criticism is this: If you have Viconia in your party, Elhan seems very cool and collected. He becomes snappish, but he never looses his calm to the extent that he does here.
Now, understandably, his nerves have frayed while you were off collecting the Rhynn Lanthorn and other such things, but this seems a little off for him.
I can see him being angry and irritated, especially if Viconia is in the party, too, but I can't really see him loosing his cool as he does here.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 15, 2003, 06:08:13 AM
Re: Elhan Dialogue. Looks good.  :)
*Shudder* Numbering...bad....memories...calculus...aieeeeee!                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 15, 2003, 06:18:20 AM
Re: Athena. I believe that Elhan is a desperate, and highly suspicious elf. Viconia was in the party before getting the Lanthorn, and his reactions then might've been tempered somewhat by the fact Vic goes on to have the geas. However, seeing the same party X time later, with yet another Drow, might push him a bit more than expected. It would look suspicious to have a second drow out of the blue, almost as if the PC's party wasn't some sort of spy outfit (and the dude sics mind readers at the PC before that just to make sure the PC isn't a spy, with or without Vic's help, which tells you a lot about how high strung these elves are).

However, I do agree with you on the point of the conversation being a bit snippier than it should be. At the same time, think that Solaufein's replies to Elhan balance it out. Solaufein manages to be his broody Vampire Hunter D-ish self, yet quite drow too (which is good, since I wonder if our flirts aren't making him sound a bit...human?). :blink:

Re: Tsuru. Don't worry bout what I said there. The Elhan dialogue you just posted sort of covered what I wanted to say.  :)                      
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 15, 2003, 06:24:17 AM
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However, I do agree with you on the point of the conversation being a bit snippier than it should be. At the same time, think that Solaufein's replies to Elhan balance it out. Solaufein manages to be his broody Vampire Hunter D-ish self, yet quite drow too (which is good, since I wonder if our flirts aren't making him sound a bit...human?). :blink:
                   I believe we're managing to maintain his Solaufein-ness in the flirts so far, but Wes will be the final judge of that. Which is why I want to get as many as possible in the file before I send it to him for final judgement, so we'll end up with a nice variety :)

The Elhan interjection does need some expanding, as the author says. And no it's not me :P
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Vampyre Hamster on February 15, 2003, 07:37:44 AM
Gah! Tsuru-sama, isn't it very early to be up?  :blink:

Oh no! *writes flirts frantically* How soon do you plan to send in that file?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 15, 2003, 07:39:33 AM
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Gah! Tsuru-sama, isn't it very early to be up?  :blink:

Oh no! *writes flirts frantically* How soon do you plan to send in that file?
                   Ummm... I haven't gone to bed yet, save a nap hours ago :) Yeah, yeah... it's just one of those nights for me.

Not for a while yet, we have a long way to go! :D
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: SilverSage on February 19, 2003, 10:56:36 PM
I would like to hear an opinion from one of the NPC's on the PC's relationship choice. Could be anything from "I'm glad you finally found someone you're happy with" to "You do realize your soul is going to be tormented in The Nine Hells for eternity for sleeping with a drow, right?"
They could at least notice and nicely ask you to go a little farther into the woods next time, just so you don't keep everyone else up all night.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 19, 2003, 11:00:19 PM
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I would like to hear an opinion from one of the NPC's on the PC's relationship choice. Could be anything from "I'm glad you finally found someone you're happy with" to "You do realize your soul is going to be tormented in The Nine Hells for eternity for sleeping with a drow, right?"
They could at least notice and nicely ask you to go a little farther into the woods next time, just so you don't keep everyone else up all night.
I'm doing exactly that with several NPC's in my own Morgan NPC :)

Truly, I can see interjections from several of the NPC's if not all regarding any romance, and don't know why there weren't any to begin with. (Yes, Jason, I know.. Kelsey :) )

I don't *think* the stealth aspect Wes likes in the Sola romance would cover the non-romance NPCS noticing the Sola/PC romance. *goes back to pondering that one*
                   



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Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 19, 2003, 11:31:24 PM
In all respect to Wes-sama, it just doesn't seem realistic for the other NPCs not to say anything about it...                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on February 20, 2003, 04:10:37 AM
about the geas thing. is it the kind of spell you can dispell?
a pretty good banter can be made about the geas:
if geas on sola was done
sola: i see that in spite of our adventures you still do not trust me


else: i thank you for earlier. i had no will to be controled by an other again, ....



my muse may not be very active today....                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on February 20, 2003, 06:06:09 AM
I don't think it's that easy to get rid of a geas.  Even having a friendly caster try to dispel it should activate it rather than remove it.  After all, if a simple dispel could handle it, it would undercut the logic of the whole spell, no?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on February 20, 2003, 06:20:02 AM
true. but could it be possible to have elthan remove it later on in the game? it would be too easy to romance someone who's been geased to to be loyal to you, non?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on February 20, 2003, 06:33:19 AM
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true. but could it be possible to have elthan remove it later on in the game? it would be too easy to romance someone who's been geased to to be loyal to you, non?
Good point.  I'd had a vague memory that Viconia's geas was somehow limited to getting Irenicus' scalp and freeing Suldanesselar but that isn't the case.  So, either Sola's geas should be more specific (so that it's ended with Irenicus' first death at the Tree) or the PC should certainly bring it up to Elhan or Ellisme during the end game.

Personally, though, my preference would be for a PC who'd stand up for Sola or Viccy more resolutely.  Something like, "OK.  You have so little trust in me or my friends, do your own damn dirty work.  We're going to town to get drunk!"                    



[!--EDIT|Hendryk|Feb 20 2003, 02:34 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Dashael on February 20, 2003, 07:13:42 AM
Possibly you could exploit the precedent Sarevok sets up at the start of TOB, that in Bhaal's part of hell the will of the ruling Bhaalspawn has the effect of a Geas. Perhaps you could somehow use that to remove Sola and/or Vic's geas' once you got to Hell.

Or better still, have Elhan's lackeys attempt to place the geas and a dialog such as this would follow:

Elven Mage 1: My Lord Elhan, something unusual just happened.
Elhan: Out with it.
Elven Mage 2: Well as difficult as it is to believe sir...
Elven Mage 1: It appears the drow is already under a geas.
Elhan: Explain this drow.
Sola: I cannot, except to say that with all the force of my will I have bound my self to Charname's path and life, to betray him/her is to betray myself.
Elhan: I'm not sure I believe this drow.
Elven Mage 1: I'm afraid it doesn't matter my Lord...
Elven Mage 2: Whatever has bound his heart, it's stronger than any Geas we could cast.
Elhan: *sighs* I have no choice, you may go drow, but remain faithful to Charname and his/her goals, lest you meet your end.

Just an idea, might be a bit too strong for pre-commitment.                    



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Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on February 20, 2003, 09:51:17 AM
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Just an idea, might be a bit too strong for pre-commitment.
                   afraid i'll have to agree with you on this. btw if you reach rep 18 after the geas on viccy, will she leave?


second idea: if sola was strong enough to break bonds with such a control freak society like the drow, could'nt he resist the geas, the feeling dashel quoted would be his hatred for his betheren, or maybe the trust of a demigod that you are?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on February 20, 2003, 10:35:56 AM
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btw if you reach rep 18 after the geas on viccy, will she leave?

Looks that way.  The only actual effect on her seems to be something called FLASH1.  I can't find any spell called that and I'm guessing it's just a visual effect.  So, if you've been saving Chap. 2 quests for when you get Imoen back and one of these bumps your rep to 18, I'd bet Viccy's gone.

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second idea: if sola was strong enough to break bonds with such a control freak society like the drow, could'nt he resist the geas, the feeling dashel quoted would be his hatred for his betheren, or maybe the trust of a demigod that you are?

The PC's got divine blood but isn't immortal (for sure!) and isn't the object of worship; therefore, not really a demigod.  And Sola's resisted drow social pressure; not the magical pressure of a geas.  I agree the thing's got to be tweaked but it would be nice to give the eventual player some choices here as well.  Either defy Elhan at once or press Ellesime afterwards to remove it; something to remind players that they're not just watching a movie.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 20, 2003, 11:57:27 PM
Okay, I have an official-Wes answer on the other NPC's commenting on Sola's romance with the PC. Let's go for it :) Thoughts, suggestions, actual interjections, anyone?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on February 21, 2003, 03:42:03 AM
Korgan:  Ach!  When did yer sense depart ye, CHARNAME, shinin' to that Underdark scut as ye do?  

PC:  Some things are none of your damn business, dwarf.  This is one of them.

Korgan: Ah, ye could've picked worse, I expect.  Leastways he can fence a bit 'n' call the odd crittur when wanted.                    



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Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 21, 2003, 03:44:17 AM
*giggle*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Niz on February 21, 2003, 04:32:52 AM
I'll leave the actual dialogs up to you but Aerie dislikes the idea of having Viccy in the party so methinks she definetly wouldn't like you to romance sola, especially if the PC is male.  Real question is: would she leave the party over it ?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 21, 2003, 04:38:25 AM
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I'll leave the actual dialogs up to you but Aerie dislikes the idea of having Viccy in the party so methinks she definetly wouldn't like you to romance sola, especially if the PC is male.  Real question is: would she leave the party over it ?
                   The stealth romance comes into effect at this point. If the PC is male, Jah, Aerie and Vic would not see the Sola romance. If the PC is female, Ano won't see it. Kelsey won't see it unless the optional pack is installed.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on February 21, 2003, 05:26:56 AM
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I'll leave the actual dialogs up to you but Aerie dislikes the idea of having Viccy in the party so methinks she definetly wouldn't like you to romance sola, especially if the PC is male.  Real question is: would she leave the party over it ?
sola ain't evil like viccy. i don't think aerie would mind solas' presence
ther could be a dialogue between aire and sola:

Aerie: i thought all drows were evil, [string of uncoplimentary adjectives]

if vic is there: Vic : are you saying that for me?

s: well there are rotten apples in every batch....                    



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Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Niz on February 21, 2003, 11:34:35 AM
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Aerie: i thought all drows were evil
That would seem a bit of a strange remark with Viccy still tagging along.  
Perhaps she would rather start to wonder if Sola was an outcast in the underdark as she has been in the circus, feel akin in a way...                      
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 21, 2003, 11:03:59 PM
Well... in the oringal Sola banters, it's kinda been established that Solaufein and Aerie aren't too fond of each other. Gotta keep those in mind. ^_^                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on February 21, 2003, 11:47:49 PM
Aerie came across as more...afraid of drow--she doesn't like them, but she finds them scary as well.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 22, 2003, 12:25:07 AM
This is written under the assumption of the 'blind' clause. *nods* Now, I better see more Viccy-commenting-on-PC's-relationship interjections, too!

But I don't think I've captured her voice very well and the rating is a bit... borderline I would believe. If it's too much, I'll fix it.

-
Viconia: I'm quite surpised with you, [Charname].

PC: Oh?

Viconia: It seems you've taken quite a fancy to your jaluk, or should I dare say mrannd'ssinss?

PC: I know what 'jaluk' means, but I have no idea what mraaanisee-

Viconia: (chuckles) Don't, you poison the language.

Viconia: I simply mean I've noticed you've taken a liking to 'dark meat', shall we say?

PC: (Sigh) Viconia, don't.

Viconia: Oh, do you think I have something negative to say about this abbil? How dissapointing, I'm merely want to give you suggestions.

PC: Should I be afarid to ask?

Viconia: It's just advice on how to deal with your mrannd'ssinss, {Charname}. I'm sure Solaufein is simply quite exquisite in the bed chambers, older drow become quite skillful in the exotic arts. They have to be to surrive. I'm sure as surfacer like you *must* be exhaused by him long before daybreak.

PC: Viconia.

Viconia: However you just cannot treat any jaluk with kit gloves.  May I suggest using leather collar for him to follow you around? Perhaps a gag to quiet his screams-

PC: Viconia!-] A
PC: I thank you for the advice Viconia, but we've *both* managed to get the other quite sleepy before daybreak. And while I have made him scream and moan quite nicely, it is in pleasure rather than pain. It's a shame you can't hear Solaufein's voice, it's beautiful no matter what I do to him. (smiles) -] B


Viconia
A: (She chuckles softly again.) Ahh, that shade of red does suits you, {Charname}. It’s simply a shame you can’t take a simple teasing... {If male, go to C, if female -end-}
B: (Sigh) As I said, you treat your male with kit gloves. -] {If male, go to C, if female -end-}



Viconia
C: Should I give this advice to Solaufein, then? After all, you could be the jalil in this.

PC] Jalil?

Viconia] Female. (Smirks.)

PC] ... (Sighs) Thank you for expanding my vocabulary, Vic. {-end-}

PC] Do I dectect a hint of jealousy, Viconia?

Viconia: Keep thinking that, jaluk if it flatters you.

-end-
-

Thanks Dash for the suggestion as well as starchild. ^_^                    



[!--EDIT|Sphira|Feb 23 2003, 07:29 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Dashael on February 22, 2003, 12:35:44 AM
Consistantly excellent work Sphira, I think you've captured Viconia pretty much perfectly.

I imagine she would make some snipe about it if the PC where male, but that is just about my only suggestion. Very well done                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 23, 2003, 12:14:59 AM
(Sighs) I need a life. Jan's comments. :3

--

Jan: You know {CharName}, you remind me of my third cousin on my aunt Liddy's side of the family...

PC: Oh?

Jan: Oh yes, yes indeed. Poor cousin Camellia, it’s such a pity what happened to her. She fell in love with a giant you know. Though I don’t recall if it was a hill or a storm giant. Maybe a cloud giant. But the point is that the Giant was quite big. Anyways, she was off turnip picking one day just outside of Trademeet when low and behold she meet Biggie.

PC: Jan, please, don’t. I beg of you don-

Jan: You couldn’t separate them, not even with one of my Ma Janson’s upside down cake-

PC: Jan, it’s my personal life, I really don’t-

Jan: -we eventually got over Biggie and there was a wedding. One of the biggest Janson events since, well, I can’t remember. But they were married and it was such a lovely celebration, the twins were so adorable as the ring bearer and flower girl. But sadly... they were divorced the next day. Things wouldn’t... fit. Very tragic. But the divorce lawyer happened to be a nice halfling and now cousin Camellia is due any day now-

PC: Jan, what was the point of that?

Jan: Oh, yes, that. Just make sure at the very least your equipment is compatible with Solaufein’s in case you decide to get hitched.

PC
- “.....”  -]A
- Tha- tha.. That’s none of your damn business!! -] B

Jan
B) (Chuckles and doesn’t say a word.) [end]

A
{If PC is male}
PC: I’m not sure if I can get married, Jan.

Jan: ... Humph! Just ruin one of my perfectly good stories, then!
-end-

A
{If PC is female.}
PC: Jan, uhm... I thank you for the suggestion but we know the... equipment... is compatible.
Jan: Oh, that‘s very good then! So... how about naming your first-born after me then? (grins)

PC: (Sigh.) One day gnome, one day...



[!--EDIT|Sphira|Feb 23 2003, 01:16 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 23, 2003, 01:07:02 AM
*collapses into giggles*

That...is definitely Jan.  :lol:                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 23, 2003, 01:09:08 AM
*whimpers and dives back under the table in Sooo..* There is no escape from that gnome, I swear!!!


(And Sphira already knows I like it  :lol: )                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 23, 2003, 01:20:34 AM
Thank you. ^_^ Jan's my third favorite offical NPC (fourth favorite, including non-Offical NPC) and he's the only one who could really comment with. My favorite offical NPC is Sarevok but I don't think he'd care too much about his slibling's love life, even if it's with the drow that he's getting to testsortone 'coversations' with. :D

Tsuru: You can NEVER escape from Jan.  :P                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on February 23, 2003, 01:49:42 AM
I think you're right that Sarevok wouldn't care too much about his sibling's love life. :) But I could see him commenting all the same, trying to throw make the PC (and possible Solaufein, as well) uncomfortable.
And perhaps it's just me, but I could invision Sarevok referring to Sola as the PC's 'pet drow', just trying to get a reaction out of one of them.
Hmm...
*runs off to play ToB again*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: starrchild on February 23, 2003, 10:26:48 AM
Delurking for a brief moment...


reading back a few posts previously  (the Viconia interjection), I think there could possibly be another reply to Viccy's "gag" comment, other than the "blushing maid" version...

PC: "A gag? For screams? A scream can have different meanings, Viconia. A scream can mean pain, from a (reluctant)(forced) submission... or estacy (sp), from consent freely given..."

A rough-draft idea, and it may not be the direction ya'll want to be going, but I thought some sort of reply was needed for 1) if you're none too fond of Viccy for poking her nose in your relationship with Sola, and 2) for a more, ah, "experienced" PC response.

Comments, suggestion, thermonuclear flames....? : )

starrchild

 :D  :D  :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 23, 2003, 01:13:28 PM
We're always happy to see someone delurk, starrchild, welcome :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on February 23, 2003, 05:15:43 PM
i'm Baaaaack from the dead!!! report is in the bag, i've slept the whole weekend and i'm back in business!!! about my suggestion (aerie/sola) plz note that i've not had every dialogue from sola even if i'm trying hard to.

any how i LOVE jan's dialogue!!



now one thing in general: maybe its me but... (i know how every one hates this word but...) i find most of these dialogues hetero oriented. i find it hard to see a gay PC in those. can't righly explain it.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 23, 2003, 05:18:37 PM
Good for you! *passes over some chocolate*

That is one of the difficult things with Sola, doing the dialogues unisex. But it can be done after all, just takes a bit more work :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 23, 2003, 05:46:07 PM
I apologize for the hetero slant on Jan's dialouge but it was hard enough to think of gnomes having uhm... 'relations', period.

I used to be a big fan of dragon lance so when any of my friends talked about kenders reproducing I took a firm stance that kenders come from storks, they never had sex so there was no point of talking about it. I mean think about it.... Tasseloff having.... *refuses to think of it more*  :ph34r:

But with other banters I'm trying to keep it unigender. Trying. But at the very least I've gotten a male thief flirt and a female thief flirt. And the male thief flirt is more fleshed out than the female one.  :D


As for the 'blush' one, I never said blushing. I know lots of people who get mad and turn this awful red-purple color. But I liked the suggestion anyway. :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Cibbwin on February 23, 2003, 06:15:41 PM
/cheers at Sphira

Great work, Jan is my 2nd Favorite NPC, after Cernd!                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 23, 2003, 06:33:10 PM
Why thank you very much. ^_^

*note to any passerby, I've added more options to the Viccy interjection for both the unigender comments and the male comments.*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Dashael on February 23, 2003, 09:15:34 PM
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Why thank you very much. ^_^

*note to any passerby, I've added more options to the Viccy interjection for both the unigender comments and the male comments.*
                   Well done Sphira, pretty much exactly what I had in mind, a clever and sharp jibe without being necessarily caring either way, well done :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on February 24, 2003, 11:03:55 PM
Thanks, a .... second time? :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: starrchild on February 25, 2003, 11:52:32 AM
I'm with Dashael on this one.. very nice job, Sphira!
 :)

                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on February 25, 2003, 12:48:24 PM
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Thanks, a .... second time? :)
                   hey if you deserve it, and you are, its normal!!
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Red on February 25, 2003, 01:04:01 PM
*coughs embarrassedly as she de-lurks*

Ditto on the greatness but one small query about the Vic dialogue…. Isn't the phrase 'kid gloves' not 'kit gloves'?  It's possible that it's a cultural difference or something but I have to ask…please don't throw things at me!

Anyway it's really great, actually everything I've read here is…..
I'm hoping to kick my own muse into action and perhaps dabble in a little writing, though it is already over-worked keeping my poor addled mind afloat at work!

Umm…well that's it…

*sidles towards the door*
                     
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Niz on February 25, 2003, 02:14:49 PM
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I have to ask…please don't throw things at me
Tsuru only throws things at certain people, like me for example.  You're quite safe.  
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*sidles towards the door*
You're welcome to stay around.  You can help yourself to most things around here with the exeption of Tsuru's heart-shaped box of plenty.  ;)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on February 25, 2003, 02:30:56 PM
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You're welcome to stay around.  You can help yourself to most things around here with the exeption of Tsuru's heart-shaped box of plenty.  ;)
                   *glares at Niz and clutches her heart shaped never ending box of chocolate* I only throw things at you when you deserve it.

Watch Niz, Red, he's the resident muse-napper ;)

And seriously, we don't bite, so don't ever be afraid to de-lurk and post. *blinks* Wait, you already did de-lurk and post, so you're considered part of
the group!

*ahem* Okay, where were we on this one? :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 04:27:00 AM
Idea:

Why not a banter between Viconia and Solaufein once Elhan forces a geas?

Two dark elves--who seem to willingly go along with it--might have much to bicker about the possible reasons why the other had been so calm in accepting it.

Just an idea to toss out and ripped to shreds, of course.  ;)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 04:28:58 AM
Yes, those two actually should interject a bit. The dialogues they already have are good, but ... always room for more :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 05:06:11 PM
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Idea:

Why not a banter between Viconia and Solaufein once Elhan forces a geas?

                   all we need to decide is if the geas is put on both off them.

several questions as my muse is getting active:

- is it possible to have sola in a party before exiting underdark?
- is it possible to time a dialogue to happen before an event?
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 05:09:20 PM
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- is it possible to have sola in a party before exiting underdark?
- is it possible to time a dialogue to happen before an event?
                   He can be CLUA'd in, but that kinda makes things weird when you get to Ust Natha in my mind :)

Did you have an event in mind? There are ways to use timers for a certain amount of time to pass, and globals for something to be said once something has happened, but I'm honestly not sure how to time something to happen before an event. It might be possible, but I'd have to ask Mr. Weimer or Mr. Compton to be sure :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 05:12:29 PM
there could be a banter from sola about vics' geas, and a counter banter once sola gets his (if he does) maybe even with the pc: "vic: why me and not him?" if he doesn't....

i'm just good at giving ideas. writing is not my strong point.

edit: of course the first dialogue must happen before you meet elhran again =] trouble?                    



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Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 05:15:44 PM
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edit: of course the first dialogue must happen before you meet elhran again => trouble?
                   You mean once you get the Rhynn Lanthorn? I think I could do that with a job done variable :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 02, 2003, 05:24:52 PM
I just wanted to pitch my two cents in on having Solaufein comment on things that happen before he can join. I don't like it.

I find having Solaufein out of the underdark for ANY reason at all ruins everything about the character for both Wes' vision of Solaufein and for Biowares intentions. It makes no sense for him to be out of the Underdark and very little reason for him to willingly go back into the underdark.

CULAing Sola isn't the best idea for RPing reasons and I certianly see no reason why 'cheaters' should be rewarded with dialouge. :/ It's -ALMOST- like Contorl-Y ing something and getting XP for it.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 05:30:11 PM
*nods to Sphira* Yes, that sort of goes along with the freakiness of having two Sola's in Ust Natha.

There was some talk awhile back about having some excuse to find him on the surface earlier, so people could have him sooner rather than waiting till Ust Natha. If a plausible way to do it could be arranged, it could work, and he could just leave the party and pretend not to know them in Ust Natha, but it would require some major re-working of dialouges there I think.
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 05:30:58 PM
I'd have to agree with you, Sphira. To give Sola dialogue that you have to use cheats to see... :o

It would have been a bit different if someone placed Sola somewhere to him earlier--such as the famed surface raids of the drow-- but then you would have to rewrite quite a bit of dialogue and think up a reason of why Sola would go back into the Underdark....

EDIT: Oy, we've just seem to be repeatins ourselves lately.  :blink:                    



[!--EDIT|Amazor'dra|Mar 2 2003, 03:32 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 05:33:09 PM
maybe a bit clearer:

soon after sola has joined:

sola (to vic): i sense you have been placed under a geas. what did you do to deserve this? *discussion about the lack of trust of the surfacer elves, eventually of pc*

vic: when we return with the item we search, surely you will not be spared a gaes as well.

sola: we shall see..

once you have decided if sola gets geased or not, (if the project is still under way)

at the end of geas dialogue with elthan:
vic (if sola geased): hah! told you so!!
     (if not): hey no fair.

each bringing a seperate and future dialogue about trust between pc and the two drow: three way dialogue                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 05:34:44 PM
Mmm.. that one could be set after Elhan puts the geas on Vic and when Sola is picked up nw of the camp. I'll have to ponder on doing it, but I'm sure it can be done :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 05:35:28 PM
*sees posts* the question was to find out if it was possible to have sola in the party before vic gets the chance to be geased. i gather its not.

edit: lil' flash: have the first dialogue happen when you grab the lanthern from bodhi


any comments on the idea? should i keep going?                    



[!--EDIT|thecursed|Mar 3 2003, 03:36 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 05:37:43 PM
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*sees posts* the question was to find out if it was possible to have sola in the party before vic gets the chance to be geased. i gather its not.
                   Not *legally* so to speak. Right before you leave the Underdark, he leaves and meets you away from Elhan. I don't know if he'd do that if he'd been CLUA'd in, to be honest.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 05:38:12 PM
Not without a whole lot of reworking.  ;) It is possible to get Sola into your group early if the PC comes across a drow raid of Umar Hills that Sola was forced to take part in. The PC could then save the village--yet again--and kill off the drow except for Sola......

*muse working again*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 05:39:13 PM
*trips over Ama again* Oops..scuse me. *wonders if Athena is contagious*  :P  :lol:                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 05:41:32 PM
*raises eyebrow, but goes back to thinking*
Perchance I should summon another air elemental to dunk you into the jacuzzi, Tsuru? :P                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 05:41:47 PM
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Not without a whole lot of reworking.  ;) It is possible to get Sola into your group early if the PC comes across a drow raid of Umar Hills that Sola was forced to take part in. The PC could then save the village--yet again--and kill off the drow except for Sola......

*muse working again*
                   hey i never intended for it to get sola early. it was to adapt the dialogue possibilities                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 05:42:55 PM
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Not without a whole lot of reworking.  ;) It is possible to get Sola into your group early if the PC comes across a drow raid of Umar Hills that Sola was forced to take part in. The PC could then save the village--yet again--and kill off the drow except for Sola......

*muse working again*
hey i never intended for it to get sola early. it was to adapt the dialogue possibilities
                   But to adopt certain dialogue possibilities, you would have to get him early. Just my muse working though, it just happens to be a very active little creature. ;)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 05:44:44 PM
no no: vic vs sola: when you get lanthern. the rest after you've given it                    



[!--EDIT|thecursed|Mar 3 2003, 12:45 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 02, 2003, 05:46:43 PM
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no no: vic vs sola: when you get lanthern. the rest after you've given it
                   I get it, I get it :) Yes, it can be done with variables.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 05:53:22 PM
yay!! so my stay here has not been for nothing!!                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 02, 2003, 06:09:53 PM
Even the whole Umar Hills idea doesn't seem so keen on me or too logical. I would think Sola's too high of rank to go on raids (I don't know much about the raiding bussiness so if drows on all ranks go on raids, tis nifty).

I also think that Ust Natha would be 'saving' these raids snice they're preparting to go war. It takes some time and Irenicus must of alerted the Matron mothers he was working with that he captured the PC and would be able to advance on Sussander soon. In fact the elves and drow are proably at war during the time you're running around saving money to get to Imoen.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 02, 2003, 06:09:55 PM
Sola's already got more Chapter 2 dialog that most NPCs who actually show up there.  So I think there should be an option to get him earlier in the game without fudging with CLUA or taking game events out of normal sequence.  So I've dug up an old post of mine.  Comments?


Big bad Jon's negotiation with the drow didn't happen overnight. Make Sola one of the drow negotiating team who got imprisoned in Chateau Irenicus for disagreeing with his colleagues that Irenicus' offer was worth pursuing. Then in the Underdark, let him wait outside Adalon's lair, accompany the party to Ust Natha, get ticked off at the gate by the Handmaiden and then proceed as at present.

He'd have to be kind of mysterious in chapter 2 about exactly why he was in an archmage's doghouse in Athkatla but that could be managed. In any case, disliking Irenicus would give a reason to go along.



                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on March 02, 2003, 06:16:56 PM
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*trips over Ama again* Oops..scuse me. *wonders if Athena is contagious*  :P  :lol:
*flutters down*
Grr. I'll have you know I am not at all contagious (except you may notice a strange desire to join my fan club, but that's really attributed to subliminal messaging) and I am perfectly graceful. Hmph.

*lifts back up in the air, flutters away, looks back over her shoulder at Tsuru*
What did I tell you? Huh? Perfectly gracef--
*crashes into wall, slides down to floor*
Ow....

I completely agree with Sphira. Solaufein might go on a raid, though it's not as likely as some other soldier going, but I really doubt the drow are going to be doing too much raiding at the moment. The war against the surface elves would definitely take precedence over raiding a few surface colonies.

*passes out*                    



[!--EDIT|Athena|Mar 2 2003, 06:23 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 06:18:14 PM
hendryx: at one point iirc sola sees through the disguise. kinda strange dialogue if he's already been in your party for some time. non?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 02, 2003, 06:22:30 PM
Sure.  You'd have to do some editing but not more than a couple of conversations if the party doesn't choose to reveal itself to Sola before being sent to kill him by Phaere.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 06:23:22 PM
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Sola's already got more Chapter 2 dialog that most NPCs who actually show up there.  So I think there should be an option to get him earlier in the game without fudging with CLUA or taking game events out of normal sequence.  So I've dug up an old post of mine.  Comments?


Big bad Jon's negotiation with the drow didn't happen overnight. Make Sola one of the drow negotiating team who got imprisoned in Chateau Irenicus for disagreeing with his colleagues that Irenicus' offer was worth pursuing. Then in the Underdark, let him wait outside Adalon's lair, accompany the party to Ust Natha, get ticked off at the gate by the Handmaiden and then proceed as at present.

He'd have to be kind of mysterious in chapter 2 about exactly why he was in an archmage's doghouse in Athkatla but that could be managed. In any case, disliking Irenicus would give a reason to go along.
                   Ahhh, so it was you had mentioned this in the past? Joy. =)

I remember reading it and thought it was a good idea, but I didn't remember where--or who had mentioned that.

He'd have to be kind of mysterious in chapter 2 about exactly why he was in an archmage's doghouse in Athkatla but that could be managed. In any case, disliking Irenicus would give a reason to go along.

Especially if Sola might have known that Irenicus planned on eventually heading to the Underdark and that the PC would follow.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 02, 2003, 06:30:15 PM
I just don't see why he'd speak up during a negoations. Unless if there's no females, one would think a Handmaiden or another high ranking female would just out right kill Solaufein for going aganist the wishes of the Matron Mothers. One would think Irencius would actually bring himself to kill him, too. One traitor is the last thing he needs. You can't force a geas on someone, right? :unsure:

I'm sure Bodhi would of hung around in the Chaute at off times. I'm sure she'd want her paws in him as soon as she could :D

Secondly, one would have to change Solaufein's whole persona to be more canon-like. He's not going to warm up to a meer surfacer nor would he be anywhere as talkative. All that "Chap 2" diaulouge would be null and void as well as banters.
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 06:37:15 PM
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I just don't see why he'd speak up during a negoations. Unless if there's no females, one would think a Handmaiden or another high ranking female would just out right kill Solaufein for going aganist the wishes of the Matron Mothers. One would think Irencius would actually bring himself to kill him, too. One traitor is the last thing he needs. You can't force a geas on someone, right?
Sola is the leader of the Male Fighter's society, what better toy for a House to show off to begin such negotiations without risking a coveted female drow's neck?

Yes, gaes can be forced onto someone.
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I'm sure Bodhi would of hung around in the Chaute at off times. I'm sure she'd want her paws in him as soon as she could
But would she want him enough to risk ruining her brother's chances of working with the drow? ;)
 
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Secondly, one would have to change Solaufein's whole persona to be more canon-like. He's not going to warm up to a meer surfacer nor would he be anywhere as talkative. All that "Chap 2" diaulouge would be null and void as well as banters.
Or not have to change it much at all, Sola would just act like the way he does in Ust Natha: Keeping secrets to himself but still remaining friendly.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 02, 2003, 06:38:07 PM
In truth, there's no guarantee that Irenicus told the drow much about the PC at all.  That would make Sola more reserved and suspicious but he'd stick with the PC anyway as representing his best chance of getting back at Irenicus and then getting back home in one piece.

You're absolutely right, though that the additional encounters with Bodhi would need some more thought, given her liking for him and that he'd end up in her dungeon in Spellhold and all.                    



[!--EDIT|Hendryk|Mar 3 2003, 02:40 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 02, 2003, 06:46:08 PM
I never found Solaufein to be 'nice' to the PC. Civil, not hateful if he likes you, but hardly nice.  Your PC has to be somewhat intellgent to earn Sola's respect.

How about we save this disscussion to the expanison of Solaufein's character after we get the flirt packs and dialouge done? :)

I really don't want us to go to a debate over this subject and not get things done and get hurt feelings.  :unsure:                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 02, 2003, 06:50:04 PM
good idea sphira. about the geas dialogue... (see you tomorrow: 2am time to crash)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 07:11:31 PM
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I never found Solaufein to be 'nice' to the PC. Civil, not hateful if he likes you, but hardly nice.  Your PC has to be somewhat intellgent to earn Sola's respect.

How about we save this disscussion to the expanison of Solaufein's character after we get the flirt packs and dialouge done? :)

I really don't want us to go to a debate over this subject and not get things done and get hurt feelings.  :unsure:
                   Aye, this is one of those things--that if Wes does not mind and Tsuru wants to set it up-- that should have it's own forum.

If someone believes in something enough tempers do tend to fly. There is no real need to do so since we do not know if Wes would go along with this or not yet. :)

Anyone have any ideas of why Viconia would go along with the geas so easily? As Sola--who is well aware of drow ways of course--would see this as?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 02, 2003, 07:30:06 PM
This is one of those cases where people who take role-play seriously have to turn their heads inside out trying to concoct an in-game rationale for a choice that Bioware made simply to keep the game moving.  A PC who's romancing Viccy should, if he has any guts at all, level the elven encampment rather than allow her to be forced to submit to a geas.  Since that would mean a LOT of extra programming, Bioware probably never considered it but it's what should happen.                    



[!--EDIT|Hendryk|Mar 3 2003, 03:30 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 07:37:32 PM
Too true, an evil party would also try to go straight after Irenicus in Suldanessar, then wander around finding priestesses and saving a tree that most evil characters wouldn't care about. I am really disappointed with all the things Bioware messed up on.

Such as Aerie calling the deity she worships female, when in FR history the deity is really male. [_[

If an evil drow were to suddenly go along with a geas, would it not make you wonder if the drow had some kind of brewing plot?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 02, 2003, 07:53:31 PM
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Too true, an evil party would also try to go straight after Irenicus in Suldanessar, then wander around finding priestesses and saving a tree that most evil characters wouldn't care about. I am really disappointed with all the things Bioware messed up on.

Such as Aerie calling the deity she worships female, when in FR history the deity is really male. <_<

If an evil drow were to suddenly go along with a geas, would it not make you wonder if the drow had some kind of brewing plot?
                   I can live with the idea that Irenicus protected himself while casting his ritual so that he couldn't be reached save by a series of steps that would save the Tree whether the PC cared about it or not.  Mages of Jon's power do ward their important castings.  Since this one involves destorying the Tree, then saving it to disrupt his spell and reach him is logical enough.

As for Demin, I don't need her advice and wouldn't bother the rakshasa who are about to kill her if one of them weren't carrying a girdle of giant strength.

As for Viccy, specifically, I don't see she has much choice about accepting the geas if the PC won't stand up for her.  If she doesn't accept, she's Elhan's captive.  If the elves don't kill her themselves, they would certainly use her for barter, trying to exchange her for one of their own who had been captured.  Not an attractive prospect for an apostate priestess of Lolth.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 02, 2003, 07:55:18 PM
This is why you should support Projects of Darkness and Mod for the Wicked!

I'm all for evil when it can be role played intellegently. Why bother to add evil when you can't be truly evil except for a few minor times.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on March 02, 2003, 07:56:29 PM
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Such as Aerie calling the deity she worships female, when in FR history the deity is really male. <_<
                   Actually, she worships both Baervar Cloakshadow and Aerdrie Faenya (who is female).  :)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 08:07:22 PM
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Such as Aerie calling the deity she worships female, when in FR history the deity is really male. <_<
Actually, she worships both Baervar Cloakshadow and Aerdrie Faenya (who is female).  :)
                   When Aerie mentions Baervar, Aerie calls the deity a 'she'. I've had to read a few of her dialogues in the past. ;)                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on March 02, 2003, 08:12:32 PM
Ah. I probably haven't seen those.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 02, 2003, 08:13:20 PM
Could be a typo, but you have my deepest sympathies. I've got to read some of her dialouges for research on a mod idea I have. ^_^ *wishes they had an angel emote con for playing 'innocent'*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on March 02, 2003, 08:14:22 PM
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Ah. I probably haven't seen those.
                   Cibby was the one actually who tracked that down and asked me about it. I didn't really notice it the times I played either. But then Aerie never lasts very long in my groups  :P                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 03, 2003, 03:22:08 PM
Ok, now is anyone actually *writing* that interjection for the geas thing for Sola? :)

And do we have any others that come to mind as being needed? Like places in TOB?
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 03, 2003, 03:40:49 PM
as i said, i'm no writer. 'fraid i'll just mess up                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 03, 2003, 03:44:13 PM
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as i said, i'm no writer. 'fraid i'll just mess up
                   Ah, but you can still toss out ideas :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 03, 2003, 03:47:49 PM
just don't ask me to write anything. maybe i should change my title to "part time muse?" :P                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 03, 2003, 03:50:30 PM
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just don't ask me to write anything. maybe i should change my title to "part time muse?" :P
                   Muses we can definitely use! Though I am still not sure what's in that muse chow  :lol:                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on March 03, 2003, 07:05:49 PM
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Muses we can definitely use! Though I am still not sure what's in that muse chow  :lol:
I think Samuel Coyote is making the muse chow.
*shudders*
*points those who don't know what she's talking about to the Sphira! topic in the Fridge*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 03, 2003, 07:35:42 PM
I *really* don't want to know what's in muse-chow now, thank you! *shudders*

*steers the topic back to interjections* :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 04, 2003, 01:31:00 AM
Ookay, revamped version of the original Hendryk interjection when you return with the Lanthorn to Elhan, with some changes by both of us. Please excuse the coding as usual, I'm still a bit shaky in interjection-style, especially with as many EXTERN's as this one has :)

Note that this does not result in a geas being placed on Sola.

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IF ~Global("ElvenCityTree","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN 64 // from:
  SAY ~You return. All has been relatively quiet…you parade a drow before me? Here?!~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN PLAYER1 sgeas
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas
  SAY ~Successful foes of the drow in the Underdark are few. Where else would a renegade from that place be if not in my company?~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas1
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas1
  SAY ~You presume that I trusted *you*, (CHARNAME)! Death will take you along with your drow!~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN sola sgeas2
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas2
  SAY ~Really, Captain! You sound like a hysterical child, affrighted by an insect.~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas3
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas3
  SAY ~Ha! Let your home be taken, your people slaughtered. But wait, do you Drow not slaughter each other regularly as it is?~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN sola sgeas4
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas4
  SAY ~My people *have* been slaughtered. By (CHARNAME). With assistance from myself.~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas5
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas5
  SAY ~And you expect me to believe this? NO! My people have suffered too much from yours, I will not permit either of you to live!~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN sola sgeas6
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas6
  SAY ~This not unexpected attitude was my reason for evading your attentions when we left this place.~
    =
      ~(CHARNAME), however, persuaded me that my appearance by (PRO_HISHER) side in your city might distract from the effort against the enemy should I return as privily as I departed.~
    =
      ~You have nothing to gain from justifying my earlier apprehension.~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas7
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas7
  SAY ~I gain assurance that the enemy will not profit if you are a double-traitor! A spy!~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN player1 sgeas8
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas8
  SAY ~Indeed. Irenicus holds Suldanesselar already. There I would go to settle my accounts with him. What would I or Solaufein spy upon in what, to him, is conquered territory?~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas9
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas9
  SAY ~You dare speak of Suldanesselar? You who keep company with one of those would would destroy that fair city?!~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN sola sgeas10
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas10
  SAY ~Since we *are* speaking of it, perhaps this might ease your mind somewhat.~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas11
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas11
  SAY ~The Rhynn Lanthorn! Then…we are not lost... not yet... ~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN player1 sgeas12
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas12
  SAY ~No. But we may be if we dither here much longer. Do you have a choice other than to trust me... as well as my party?~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas13
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas13
  SAY ~Yes. But.. trust.. I do not see how..~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6WARSA11 sgeas14
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas14
  SAY ~Sir! I have been attending to this conversation. ‘Tis my belief, nay, my certainty that both (CHARNAME) and the drow speak truly to you.~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6WARSA21 sgeas15
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas15
  SAY ~I concur. I have also been assessing (CHARNAME). I do not believe that we have a sharper weapon in our arsenal to pierce the Shattered One’s heart.~
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN C6ELHAN2 sgeas16
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sgeas16
  SAY ~My own heart is so torn between hope and fear that it must also burst.~
    =
      ~Then so be it! For good or ill, to Suldanesselar!!~//end & to area2600 normally
  IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

If Vic is in party this line is subbed for Elhan's first - Elhan1a: You return. All has been relatively quiet…you have a second drow in your company!
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Cibbwin on March 04, 2003, 06:43:59 PM
Great job, Tsuru! Now that will be interesting to see!                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 04, 2003, 06:45:51 PM
Thanks, but it was mostly Hendryk, I just did a little addition here and there :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 04, 2003, 08:53:11 PM
Because I said I would and I’m so utterly bored. :)

===

Tassa] Oh, {CharName}, where did you find this dark beauty?

Solaufein] Are you speaking about me?

Tassa] Mmm-hmm, of course you exotic creature. I never seen a drow before, I heard you're quite vicious... and even worst outside the bed chambers.
~
{If PC’s 12+} I'm not really shocked you'd be with {CharName}, {He/she} is quite a {man/woman} yummy, too.
~
{If PC’s Cha 11-} But how on earth did {CharName} manage to catch your eye?

Solaufein] Madam, I don't see how it's any of your business on why I'm traveling with {CharName}'s party. Perhaps my reasons are not for what you might believe.

Tassa] Oh, it's only curiosity ebon elf. (Purrs) But... if you do get tried of that little {CharRace}, give me a call.

Solaufein] (sighs) Well, that was about as unpleasant as the usual surfacer reception to my presence.
-I’m sorry you had to deal with her, Solaufein.

Solaufein] I don’t blame you in the least, but I do wonder why we stopped by to talk to her... what’s that look on your face for?
-Nothing, nothing! Let’s just keeping going! (Smiles) -end- (If male, -] A)

Tassa
A]How could you {CharName]? Don't you think it's a wicked thing to do by parade this scrumpious creature in front of me?
-Of course. (Grin) -]
-Now, my dear Tassa, you have Aran, and that's someone I'll never be able to have. We're both even.-]

Tassa
B] Humph! Go on you naughty boy before I do something bad to both of you! -end-

---

I finally add Hendyrk's suggestion.                    



[!--EDIT|Sphira|Mar 22 2003, 11:08 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 04, 2003, 09:20:14 PM
Even utterly bored you've still got nice catty moves.  But would a male PC show off Sola quite like that?  Seems like he might be friends with Tassa or might despise her but wouldn't be competitive (is that the right word?) in quite this way.

Maybe she'd react to a male PC kinda the way Tsuru does to Niz or Michel; with mock severity as a naughty but engaging brat?  Like: "CHARNAME, you saucy boy, dragging this perfectly delicious drow under my nose and then running away with him and giggling at me!"                    



[!--EDIT|Hendryk|Mar 5 2003, 05:39 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 04, 2003, 09:44:32 PM
Ohh.. I like that suggestion Henny! :D I only added the PC interjection to give me the lame excuse to write this injection. ^_^
After all, not everyone goes to bug the Shadow Thieves. ;)

And thank you for the compeliment.                    



[!--EDIT|Sphira|Mar 4 2003, 10:49 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 04, 2003, 09:49:12 PM
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After all, not everyone goes to bug the Shadow Thieves. ;)
                   Nope.  But since you are, you might as well bug their girl friends, too.  Right?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: SilverSage on March 04, 2003, 09:50:34 PM
Would it be rude to inform Elhan he's lucky Drizzit was busy, otherwise I'd be back with 3 drow?                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 04, 2003, 09:50:46 PM
*snickers* It's semi-revenge for her mocking my poor PC's 8 charisma.  :lol:                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 04, 2003, 09:53:36 PM
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Would it be rude to inform Elhan he's lucky Drizzit was busy, otherwise I'd be back with 3 drow?
*chuckles* More ways to annoy Elhan? I'm all for it! :lol:                    



[!--EDIT|Sphira|Mar 4 2003, 10:54 PM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 04, 2003, 09:54:41 PM
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Would it be rude to inform Elhan he's lucky Drizzit was busy, otherwise I'd be back with 3 drow?
                   If I ever learn enough about modding to resurrect Phaere, it'll be four drow.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 04, 2003, 09:57:48 PM
Henny, you're kidding!  :o  Oh my... What a crisis that would be. :D                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 04, 2003, 10:02:46 PM
Hehe!  That doesn't even count either of my male drow PCs since BG II only recognizes them as elves.  Wes gets IceWind Gate II up to speed and it'll be five drow plus Immy.                    



[!--EDIT|Hendryk|Mar 5 2003, 06:07 AM--]
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 05, 2003, 12:11:35 AM
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Maybe she'd react to a male PC kinda the way Tsuru does to Niz or Michel; with mock severity as a naughty but engaging brat?  Like: "CHARNAME, you saucy boy, dragging this perfectly delicious drow under my nose and then running away with him and giggling at me!"
                   But.. but..they *are* naughty! Along with some of the other males on this board *mock glare*

                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 05, 2003, 12:14:21 AM
Sphira, maybe I'm not awake enough yet, or maybe I'm just still woozy, but the last two lines? Sola talking to himself?

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Solaufein] (sighs) Well, that was about as unpleasant as the usual surfacer reception to my presence.
-I’m sorry you had to deal with her, Solaufein.

Solaufein] I don’t blame you in the least, but I do wonder why we stopped by to talk to her... what’s that look on your face for?
-Nothing, nothing! Let’s just keeping going! (Smiles) -end-

*wanders off to mutter about how cold items are supposed to *stay* cold, not left out on the counter to warm up and then be chilled again*

                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 05, 2003, 01:02:22 AM
"-" Means the PC responds. :3                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 05, 2003, 02:41:38 AM
*thumps self on the head* Ouch. I shouldn't do that when I'm already woozy.

No comments from the peanut gallery :P
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 07, 2003, 12:16:58 AM
Oooh! Who can write Edwin? I can just imagine what *he* would have to say about a romance between the PC and Sola. Eeep :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on March 07, 2003, 12:20:21 AM
I dunno. I bet Henny could! :D

Or maybe I should go bug one of the Edwin romance writers on tips to write Eddy.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 07, 2003, 12:36:57 AM
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I dunno. I bet Henny could! :D

                   Of that I have no doubt whatsoever :)

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Or maybe I should go bug one of the Edwin romance writers on tips to write Eddy.

That's a good idea too!                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 14, 2003, 03:56:04 PM
*nudges and looks around for muses*
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 20, 2003, 01:43:27 AM
On defeating the third set of key guardians and opening the way to D's prison:

Sola:  CHARNAME, if one of your surfacer gods warded a prisoner to this extent, I would suggest that we rest before descending; to be as well prepared as mortals might be for what lies ahead.


On defeating Demogorgan:

Sola:  That...thing has returned to the Abyss, to its place of power.  A demon as Evil and even older than Lolth, herself.  Cheated and cozened as we were...I must still question; should we have laid down our own lives to maintain its prison?

PC1:  No way in Hell.  If Helm wanted it done, he should've done it himself or sacrificed his own on the project.  I'm nobody's pawn, not even a god's.//goto Sola2

PC2:  Perhaps.  If I'd had time to think.  As it was...fear...and reflexes... settled before the question could even have occured to me.//goto Sola3

PC3:  Ahhh, we did him once, we can do him again...in the Abyss, once and for all, if need be.//goto Sola4

Sola2:  I wish I were as certain of that as you are, CHARNAME.  Often, I doubt I can even conceive what game they're playing with us, let alone comprehend the rules of it.

Sola3:  At least our reflexes sufficed...this time.  In future, I would hope that we can obtain better information...and far enough in advance to do our thinking before the fact.

Sola4:  You puzzle me sometimes, CHARNAME.  You seem almost to regard events of great metaphysical significance as though they were another of your surfacer sporting events.   A pity in a way.  If there were a reliable bookmaker, we could have made our fortune by now in betting on you.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 20, 2003, 01:49:53 AM
*applauds*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 20, 2003, 02:10:59 AM
After releasing Carston from the Machine;

Sola:  Even in Ust Natha, tales were permitted of relics such as this.  Lum... warlord, madman and supreme artifacer.  Not even, I believe, native to this world, CHARNAME, but here it is.  Do you suppose we can trust ourselves to the instructions of that other madman?

PC1:  I don't see any other way down.  Do you want to quit here?//goto Sola2

PC2:  Anyhow, Carston walked away from it in one piece.  You don't suppose I could just ignore something like this, do you?//goto Sola3

PC3:  Was Lum a Master of time and space, do you suppose?  Could he even be the Imprisoned One?//goto Sola4

Sola2:  No.  No more than you do.  That was merely my...concern speaking; my care for you.

Sola3:  I perceive that you still haven't learned the difference between 'could' and 'would'.  Let us at least treat this device with the respect it deserves.

Sola4:  Must you always answer a question with a question?  Yes, I am joking.  Don't ask.  (sigh)  Let us begin, then.  

                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 20, 2003, 02:17:49 AM
Sola in the 8th room of WK maze

Sola:  Who, I wonder, was the consulting architect for this place?  I pray we may find out before we're too many turns older.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 20, 2003, 02:20:55 AM
:D                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 20, 2003, 03:10:48 AM
*goes off in a giggle fit* Can always count on Hendryk :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 20, 2003, 03:18:14 AM
Upon defeating the Chromatic demon:

Sola:  I never trained as an alchemist and I can almost comprehend an element of 'cold' in opposition to 'fire' but I confess that the concept of an element called 'slime' baffles me.  Such an oddity makes me wonder, CHARNAME.  Was the building of this place not under the exclusive charge of Helm?

PC1:  I don't know and don't care.  We've got a job to do here.//goto Sola2

PC2:  I share your bafflement.  Only one thing to do in such a case.  Let's go find out.//goto Sola3

PC3:  I don't know either and that irritates me.  So if you have nothing practical to say, please shut up.//end

Sola2:  Of course.  You could answer no other way, nor would I wish you to do so.  Let us proceed with it.

Sola3:  Boldness?  Rashness?  Terminal curiousity?  There are some things about you that I was evidently never meant to understand.

                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 20, 2003, 03:51:54 AM
Hendryk's on a roll! :D
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on March 20, 2003, 04:45:26 AM
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Hendryk's on a roll! :D
                   Actually, Hendryk is replaying WK for the first time in awhile and taking notes on his grumbles therein.                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 20, 2003, 04:50:03 AM
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Actually, Hendryk is replaying WK for the first time in awhile and taking notes on his grumbles therein.
                   Well, keep grumbling :) That's one way to stir the muse I guess!
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on March 20, 2003, 05:18:37 AM
insperation comes from experience!! i've always said it!! (one of the resons i'm not that inspired for flirts :D )                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 21, 2003, 03:41:17 AM
Not always. Experience is handy, but the mind can be very inventive :)
                   
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on March 21, 2003, 10:23:10 AM
You're both right. *nods*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on March 25, 2003, 12:51:21 AM
*nudges so the muses remember this one is here*                    
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on April 01, 2003, 03:59:27 PM
Imoen’s reaction to the PC’s relationship with Sola. Re-done because flirting is explained. :)

Imoen
C’mere Uncle Sola, we’ve gotta have a little heart to heart, okay? -] A

Sola
A] Should I be afraid to ask Imoen? -] B

Imoen
B]I said get over here, not very tall, dark, and brooding. Out of {CharName}’s hearing range. -] C

Solaufein
C] Is there any reason why we can't talk about this closer to the group? -] D

Imoen
D] Well, let’s just say I’m not the brightest ball in the toy chest but I -know- when something is up with my {sister/brother}. -] E

Solaufein
E] There’s nothing wrong with {CharName}, is it? -] F

Imoen
F] Nah, {he/she}’s doing just fine, better than fine. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to be playing the big brother roll here for just a moment...
{If Sarevok is in the party} -] G
{If PC is female} -] H1
{If PC is male} –] I1

Imoen
G](Whispers.) After all we both know I’m certainly more pleasant to deal with than Sarevok, even if he did care about his sibling’s love lives. (Rolls her eyes.)
{If PC is female} -] H1
{If PC is male} –] I1

Imoen
H1] I’ve noticed that my sister’s never played so well with the boys during her life so I’m thrilled to death to see her react so well to you! Sure, I’m a bit surprised that {CharName}’s fancying a drow, no offense.
~
We surfacers have this thing against drow, we really aren't too keen about getting killed by them so we decided that all drows are bad to protect ourselves. But then again... she... all Bhaalspawn are outcasts... and you certainly are. It's natural she'd be attracted to you. -]H2

Solaufein
H2] I see. -] H3

Imoen
H3] But I just wanted to let you know I'm thrilled to death you two love each other. What I've been through... It was tough, but {CharName} has gone through the same thing and more than I have. She *needs* you. -]J

Imoen
I1] {If PC is Male} I had excepted my brother to like... well... girls. (Apologetic smile.) But I’m glad he’s actually starting to have feelings for someone in his life so it really doesn’t matter to me if it's a guy or a girl. -] I2

Solaufein
I2] I suppose that's a rather good thing, wouldn't it? -] I3

Imoen
I3] Of course! But you don't have to worry about the fact you're both guys. Pfeh, I think that's going to be the furthest from anyone's mind. They're going to have problems with you being a drow. (The mage frowns slightly.) -] I4

Solaufein
I4] (He chuckles.) That is ... reassuring. -]I5

Imoen
I5] But I want to know I'm very happy for you two. I'll get over the fact I'll never have nieces or nephews to name me after... wait, you can adopt! Okay, now I have hope my name shall go down in history for all time! (She grins at Solaufein and suddenly hugs him.) Welcome to our screwball family! -] J

Imoen
J] (Her cheerful face suddenly becomes dangerous.) Now... if you EVER break {CharName}’s heart, just know Stoneskin won’t save you from my wraith! I know more magic than you do. -] K

Solaufein
K] (Smiles.) I wouldn’t dream of it, Aunt Immy. -] L

Imoen
L] Hey! Find *your* own material!
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 01, 2003, 04:06:51 PM
*applauds*

I think the increase in your naughty stats has encouraged your muse, Sphira! ;)
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on April 01, 2003, 04:07:31 PM
:lol: *claps* an other one for sphira!
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on April 01, 2003, 04:12:41 PM
*Blushes!* Thank you. ^_^

I think I have three more interjections in mind so far now... Keldorn, Edwin, and Valygar. Valygar is going to be the fuuuun one.  *eg*
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 01, 2003, 05:23:09 PM
"I think I have three more interjections in mind so far now... Keldorn, Edwin, and Valygar. Valygar is going to be the fuuuun one. *eg* "

will he be jelous???

i personally get rid of vaygal asap....

actually i sell off his body...hehehhehehhe....

(if ya do the planar sphere, and if ya is a blatant cheeser...try this...this has been reported to not work sometimes....first, pickpocket tolgariousat the gov district, get ring of ram #1...then, after you whack the illusionist in valgal's house, kill him....

use the body to open up the sphere, and then go back to gov district, sell the body and get ring of ram #2...go to the sphere, and kill tolgarious....for ring of ram #3)

so in my party, valgal is worth more dead than alive...hahahhahhaha...
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on April 02, 2003, 11:23:13 PM
Aerie's interjection to the romance. This one really stinks. -_-; Need help.

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I w-wish to speak to you, {CharName}. In fact, I j-just want to speak to you about something, if I may?
- Of course Aerie, what's on your mind? -] A
- (Sighs.) You know how to pick the times, don't you Aerie. What is it? -] A

A] I-I've noticed that Solaufein is getting rather close to you... are you n-not comfortable with that?
- Why shouldn't I be? -] B
- I would hope so he's getting close to me! (You laugh.) We've become lovers, I think that's supposed to happen. -] C

B] Well, the matter of the fact is that he's a d-drow... and he's not as bad as some drow, he is still a drow. And I'm worried for you {CharName}.
- Aerie, I love Solaufein, it doesn't matter what he is.. I thank you for your concern however. -] D
- That's none of your business Aerie. -] E

C] W-what!? But [CharName]... he's a drow and you're a [PcRace]! -] F
[If the PC's an elf] -] C1
C1] An elf! D-drow and elves despise one another! -] G

D] You do...? That's...but, he might hurt you. {If Pre-Vamp} He *has* hurt you!
- Sometimes I find pleasure in a little bit pain. (You smile wickedly.) -] H
- And I know I've hurt him, to. Things will work out. -]E

E] I'm just worried for you, t-that all! Just... be careful?
- Close it Aerie, the discussion has ended. -] J
- I will. (Sighs.) -end-

F] E-everything about your relationship with Solaufein seems *wrong* to me!
- I never asked for your approval Aerie. This discussion is over. -end-
- It's not wrong Aerie, okay? I know what society thinks of this but society doesn't care about the fact Solaufein is a wonderful man. He makes *me* happy. -] I

G] D-drows and elves together? That's... impossible!
- Drow and elves come from the same origins and was once the same people, Aerie. -]E
- Aerie, leave us alone in our evil hedonistic ways, all right? -] J

H] {CharName}! (She shivers.) Oooh! You're just s-s-sick! -end-

I] If you think that… I-I ‘m still worried, though. -end-

J] Humph. You needn't be so rude about it! -end-
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on April 03, 2003, 05:37:35 AM
i can't see anything i might want to add. maybe a line from sola?
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on April 03, 2003, 05:57:06 AM
I think you might give it a little more focus if Aerie isn't expressing just a general concern about Sola's being a drow.  Maybe she could point out that all drow males are trained to *seem* nice, obedient, attentive, charming, etc. but that this is a mask they are used to wearing.  Behind it, he could be plotting to use the PC to carve out a sadistic surface realm of his own or even re-enter the Underdark for revenge or conquest.  In reply, the PC could point out that she (meaning Aerie) *could* be plotting revenge on all humans for the loss of her wings - but that the PC doesn't believe such nonsense for a second - about either Aerie or Sola, because of how they behave more than what they say.
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Sphira on April 03, 2003, 03:19:14 PM
*takes notes and starts to revise* Thanks Hendryk and Cursed :)
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on April 03, 2003, 03:23:50 PM
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In reply, the PC could point out that she (meaning Aerie) *could* be plotting revenge on all humans for the loss of her wings
i'd have sola use that remark.  
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: kozand on April 03, 2003, 05:54:17 PM
I don't agree witth Hendryk in this.

If Aerie is reacting to Sola romance because of romance conflict her over reaction may sound normal.

I know Aerie is a naive character but she is learning. So no Hendryk, making Aerie react like that only would add negativity to her. She cannot be soo naive afterall.

My suggestion dear Sphira is that u don't make Aeire act fanatical...

Aerie could be shocked and ask questions but when PC explains her she might be more understanding. Kinda "so this how u think and it might be possible, why not it is love attitude." Or I too positive about Aerie?

But i liked PCs answers. humorous because i did not suggest u lecture.


some examples

J] Humph. You needn't be so rude about it! But she also suspects u tease her while providing a broder perspective. and she becomes angry like a child who is dominantly lectured by her big sister. This taints her anger with semi -cheerful reaction and she cannot help but smile a bit. -end-


H] {CharName}! (She shivers.) Oooh! You're just s-s-sick!  horror strikes her face and she suddenly became aware u were just kidding if it was a bit cruel. But however she tries otherwise, she cannot solve this terrorizing moral drama interjected by u in her secluded life style. -end-

Of course i just provided u syntax Sphira, u can rewrite sentences and add some descriptors on your own. Or u may not want to include them but u can change your general aproach so to speak. :)


I apologise for quite possible grammar mistakes. These fonts are too small and i can't see very well what i type!

as for Imoen.. LMAO! perfect hahaha! I nearly would prefer them be gays because that option is so funny!
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 05, 2003, 09:09:53 PM
*unleashes UU and his interjection ideas*

There we go :)
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Hendryk on April 05, 2003, 09:28:31 PM
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I don't agree witth Hendryk in this.

 
As far as the specific reaction goes, I'd say you're probably right; sounds more like something Viccy might say than Aerie.  I was just guessing that the banter might flow a little easier if Aerie had something specific to grump about rather than just a general mistrust of drow.
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 12:19:28 AM
interjection idea (sola plays the wise riddle master...) number one...

basically, in case you havent followed the conversation in the dialog suggestion thread, i think it would be way cool and completely appropriate for sola, who has int 18, for him to advise to charname on intellectual challenges the party faces...its so like the personality we already know him as for him to advise the pc with his insight, he likes to contribute to the party, as he does if you encounter firky with sola in the party, he offers tactical advice, so it just made sense to me that he would offer riddle or puzzle solving advice...

like in the shade lord's dungeon, if you have sola in the party, he should offer advice when you talk to the statue of amundator....

sola: charname, i think i understand...this is a test of faith, the statue holds a relic of the holy presence that built this place, and as its guardian it will only release the relic to the faithful, and to prove that we are of the faithful, we must recite the tenants of the faith correctly, or it will punish us....may i suggest we bypass the statue for now and search the other rooms we may enter for books and scrolls that will offer us clues to the correct answers?  I must confess i am not eager to find out for myself the nature of the "punishment" this statue will visit on the impious...

response 1: thank you, my friend (sweetie if in romance)...i had come to the same conclusion, but it is reassuring that you agree with me...

response 2: keep your mouth shut and sword ready, i brought you with me for brawn, not your lackwit mind....more fighting and less talking is how i prefer you...

in the same dungeon, in the room of letters..

sola: charname, be very careful...i recognize this room, this is much like the trapped treasure rooms of the temples of lolith in the underdark...you must  be very careful...the room is trapped, if you step on certain tiles the magics in the room will punish you with a powerful spell, you must step only on "safe" tiles....in the underdark, you must step on the tiles scribed with letters in a certain sequence, a sequence that spells out the secret name of the spider goddess, known only to her hand maidens...in this place i would hazard a guess you must step on the tiles in sequence spelling out the name of the god of this place...

response 1: thank you my friend...i fear i am a bit old to play hopscotch, as i did with imoen in my youth, but i shall try my best...

response 2: zip it, drow boy...

sola: hopscotch?? what is that, my friend( or love)  

pc: its a game i played as a children, you draw up a grid of squares with letters in each square, and by jumping from letter to letter, you spell out words from a song your playmates sing out...

sola: amazing, on the surface even children's games are useful for the adventuring profession...how serendipitous....

pc: its not quite that, my friend...its just a child's game, one that children enjoy playing, tho i remember imoen cheating outrageously, making up words that were almost impossible to spell out, because the letters were so far apart i could not possibly jump them....lets get back to the buisness at hand, shall we???

if imoen is in party: i did not cheat, its just that you have always had a smaller vocabulary than i did...i betya you dont even know what serendipitous means, betya, betya???

pc kisses imoen on forehead, and gives her a quick hug...



in the unseeing eye...at the bridge with beholders on the other side...

sola: i think that the first riddle is meant to be a metaphor, what is the most common metaphor people use for a journey??? the journey that begins with our birth and ends with our death??? (life)

sola: i think the second riddle is a hint that the most precious thing in our existance is something that at the beginning of our lives, we seem to have endless supply of, but at the twilight of our lives, we begrudge every bit of it that we have wasted, and we take desperate measures to aquire mor of....(time)

sola: what journey are we travelling here and now?  what path are we trodding with our steps right now???(current one)


i dont have soa installed, so i cant look at the raw dialog, so if the weidu chikkas with idu (infinity dialog utility) will look at the raw dialog and wish to make changes so the interjections will read and work better, please do...

you guys like????




 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 12:27:13 AM
me had another good idea... its been a while since i played watchers keep, so i cant remember if sola has interjections in the teleport maze, he should actually have interjections in the teleport maze...

sola: charname, what is this power shimmering on my skin, like the very air is pregnant with power, i advise strongly that no spells should be cast by any member of the party lest the dwoemers of this place twist and warp the incantations to our harm and hurt...

(wild magic room)

sola: charname, my powers are gone!!! i cannot remember any of the spells i have memorized last night in this place, i can cast nothing in this room...i pray to elestree that once we leave this room my powers will return...

(dead magic room)

you guys like???
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on April 06, 2003, 12:27:32 AM
UU, I see your point about having some interjections from earlier in the game. :) My two concerns are this:
1.) I'm willing to bet that not many people see interjections like the one about the Trademeet quests unless they cheat Sola in. Therefore, you'll probably create a lot of work for yourself and it might not be seen very much.

2.) It could get annoying if Sola is constantly giving the PC hints. There's a few places where I could see them as being useful (like his interjection in the Windspear Hills about the supposedly injured adventurers) but I for one would be irritated if every time I approached a puzzle, he started giving me advice.
So I'd suggest either trimming your list of possible places for interjections, or trying another strategy. Perhaps some of these interjections could be accessed through a force-talk option?

My last suggestion is this: One thing I really liked about his interjection about the 'adventurers' in the Windspear Hills is that it didn't feel like I was practically being slapped in the face with a hint, as it did when Sola was giving my PC tips on fighting Firkraag. You might want to consider that when you're working on the interjections. :)
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 12:37:07 AM
actually thats a very good idea...simply place on the readme, that in certain areas of the game, the player can force talk sola for suggestions in solving certain riddles, so the first time a player downloads the sola flirt packs, they can have fun exploring the "sola the wise riddle master" component, but they dont have to bother later...

for example, the readme could say...

"welcome to the riddle master component of the solafein mod...if you force talk sola in certain areas of the game, instead of the usual party banter, you will have the option of choosing 'get advice from solafein' as long as you are in the correct area...

in the shadelord's dungeon, near the talking statue...
in the temple sewers, at the broken bridge..."

you get the idea....

this is good idea....much much less intrusive and quite in keeping with sola prefering to remain in the background, and while he wants to be helpful, he also does not want to distract you while you are busy leading the party....
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on April 06, 2003, 12:44:38 AM
*nods* Yeah. There's some places where obviously it's not convenient/not good roleplaying to have the PC have to stop the conversation to forcetalk Sola, but there's a few places where it might be much better to have an option to say, "Do you have any advice, Solaufein?"
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: adam_2112 on April 06, 2003, 12:48:24 AM
User I like your suggestions for interjections and the idea of force-talking to get the hints
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 12:56:45 AM
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*nods* Yeah. There's some places where obviously it's not convenient/not good roleplaying to have the PC have to stop the conversation to forcetalk Sola, but there's a few places where it might be much better to have an option to say, "Do you have any advice, Solaufein?"
i dont know enough weidu to know if this is possible, but i do remember every riddle in the game has an option  to

answer 1
answer 2
answer 3
do not answer at this time...

so if condition= talked to riddle statue and party is in correct area and if sola is in party, next force talk dialog includes option of asking sola for advice...

so you talk to the statue, and if you choose not to answer, then if you force talk sola, you get the option...

ask sola for advice
do nothing

better???

 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Athena on April 06, 2003, 01:01:14 AM
*nods* That sounds pretty good.
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 03:07:13 AM
ok, i am working under a serious handicap here..i am trying to study, and only plan to rebuild my os, and reinstall bg2 after chloe comes out...sorry, but sola is not my current favorite mod...i do have a fairly recent version of idu, but i have never used the program, and so i am trying to write sola advice based on memory...

so if anyone is a good idu person, if you could cut and paste the riddles from the riddle imp in watchers keep, and the djinn in the circus quest, and other riddles in the game, it would make my interjection writing much much easier...

and between talking with athena, i think we have a final form for implementation ready, tsuru...

the read me should say...

"welcome to the riddle master component of the solafein mod...if you force talk sola in certain areas of the game, instead of the usual party banter, you will have the option of choosing 'get advice from solafein' as long as you are in the correct area...

in the shadelord's dungeon, near the talking statue...
in the temple sewers, at the broken bridge...
etc....."


and the script should check if you have talked to the riddle giver, and is sola in the party AND you must be in the correct area...to get the force talk dialog option of asking sola for advice...

ooo...another way would be to  simply edit the riddles themselves, for example...

answer 1
answer 2
answer 3
do not answer at this time...


should change to

answer 1
answer 2
answer 3
ask sola for advice...

this would be another way of making the sola riddle master component less intrusive, but reminding the player that this component is installed...

gotta be all that cheese i ate for dinner, got me inspired...

get it?? me=inspired by cheese..hahhahhahahhah...

if you dont understand, check the link in my signature...this is my contribution to the bg2 community, i am the cheese master...
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 06, 2003, 03:33:23 AM
I've emailed you the riddle file, UU :)
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 03:49:52 AM
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in the unseeing eye...at the bridge with beholders on the other side...

sola: i think that the first riddle is meant to be a metaphor, what is the most common metaphor people use for a journey??? the journey that begins with our birth and ends with our death??? (life)

sola: i think the second riddle is a hint that the most precious thing in our existance is something that at the beginning of our lives, we seem to have endless supply of, but at the twilight of our lives, we begrudge every bit of it that we have wasted, and we take desperate measures to aquire mor of....(time)

sola: what journey are we travelling here and now?  what path are we trodding with our steps right now???(current one)


i dont have soa installed, so i cant look at the raw dialog, so if the weidu chikkas with idu (infinity dialog utility) will look at the raw dialog and wish to make changes so the interjections will read and work better, please do...

you guys like????
now this set i just did it off the cuff, does the advice from solafein sound right for the riddles???

i'll post the riddle imp later...thanks!!!!
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: kozand on April 06, 2003, 09:53:15 AM
I don't think Sola should help every riddle be solved. Too cheesy but bridge is a good example UU.
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: thecursed on April 06, 2003, 09:55:30 AM
i agree. and most riddles are to simple too need any help.  
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 02:48:20 PM
well, i do admit my original concept was to have the option of consulting sola at every riddle situation in the game, (except spellhold, you obviously cant have sola with you in spellhold before popping down to the underdark, unless you cheat him in..)

but i think its much more realistic and do-able to have just a few situations where you can ask him for advice...

i think the shadelord statue, the broken bridge at the unseeing eye, and the puzzle imp at watchers keep would be perfect, and just enough...

i really want the spoiler readme to list the exact places where you get the extra advice dialog, so good little boys and girls who take the time out to read the read me will get all the new dialog... :P

since the shadelord statue, and the broken bridge are written up already, they should stay the way they are...

i really do wanna do a good job on the puzzle imp in watchers keep, make it very witty and funny, since that riddle plot device is one of my favorites in the game, and the imp is so funny, i really think i will expend my creative efforts in making that interjections enjoyable...

oh and you guys like the interjections in the wild magic room and dead magic room??
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: kozand on April 06, 2003, 03:22:06 PM
It sounds reasonable. I suggest u use a good BG2 walkthrough. Do u want me to send u one?
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 06, 2003, 05:59:55 PM
oh frick, youre right...

i already have the dan simpson guide, so thanks anyway...

i just realized my mistake, i've been using the prima cheat guides, and the simpson guide is much more informative...

ok, will hit the simpson guide tonite and put together a final draft...thank you for reminding me...
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: kozand on April 06, 2003, 07:34:11 PM
u are welcome  :) .
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 07, 2003, 02:56:00 AM
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interjection idea (sola plays the wise riddle master...) number one...

basically, in case you havent followed the conversation in the dialog suggestion thread, i think it would be way cool and completely appropriate for sola, who has int 18, for him to advise to charname on intellectual challenges the party faces...its so like the personality we already know him as for him to advise the pc with his insight, he likes to contribute to the party, as he does if you encounter firky with sola in the party, he offers tactical advice, so it just made sense to me that he would offer riddle or puzzle solving advice...

like in the shade lord's dungeon, if you have sola in the party, he should offer advice when you talk to the statue of amundator....

sola: charname, i think i understand...this is a test of faith, the statue holds a relic of the holy presence that built this place, and as its guardian it will only release the relic to the faithful, and to prove that we are of the faithful, we must recite the tenants of the faith correctly, or it will punish us....may i suggest we bypass the statue for now and search the other rooms we may enter for books and scrolls that will offer us clues to the correct answers?  I must confess i am not eager to find out for myself the nature of the "punishment" this statue will visit on the impious...

response 1: thank you, my friend (sweetie if in romance)...i had come to the same conclusion, but it is reassuring that you agree with me...

response 2: keep your mouth shut and sword ready, i brought you with me for brawn, not your lackwit mind....more fighting and less talking is how i prefer you...

in the same dungeon, in the room of letters..

sola: charname, be very careful...i recognize this room, this is much like the trapped treasure rooms of the temples of lolith in the underdark...you must  be very careful...the room is trapped, if you step on certain tiles the magics in the room will punish you with a powerful spell, you must step only on "safe" tiles....in the underdark, you must step on the tiles scribed with letters in a certain sequence, a sequence that spells out the secret name of the spider goddess, known only to her hand maidens...in this place i would hazard a guess you must step on the tiles in sequence spelling out the name of the god of this place...

response 1: thank you my friend...i fear i am a bit old to play hopscotch, as i did with imoen in my youth, but i shall try my best...

response 2: zip it, drow boy...

sola: hopscotch?? what is that, my friend( or love)  

pc: its a game i played as a children, you draw up a grid of squares with letters in each square, and by jumping from letter to letter, you spell out words from a song your playmates sing out...

sola: amazing, on the surface even children's games are useful for the adventuring profession...how serendipitous....

pc: its not quite that, my friend...its just a child's game, one that children enjoy playing, tho i remember imoen cheating outrageously, making up words that were almost impossible to spell out, because the letters were so far apart i could not possibly jump them....lets get back to the buisness at hand, shall we???

if imoen is in party: i did not cheat, its just that you have always had a smaller vocabulary than i did...i betya you dont even know what serendipitous means, betya, betya???

pc kisses imoen on forehead, and gives her a quick hug...



in the unseeing eye...at the bridge with beholders on the other side...

sola: i think that the first riddle is meant to be a metaphor, what is the most common metaphor people use for a journey??? the journey that begins with our birth and ends with our death??? (life)

sola: i think the second riddle is a hint that the most precious thing in our existance is something that at the beginning of our lives, we seem to have endless supply of, but at the twilight of our lives, we begrudge every bit of it that we have wasted, and we take desperate measures to aquire mor of....(time)

sola: what journey are we travelling here and now?  what path are we trodding with our steps right now???(current one)


i dont have soa installed, so i cant look at the raw dialog, so if the weidu chikkas with idu (infinity dialog utility) will look at the raw dialog and wish to make changes so the interjections will read and work better, please do...

you guys like????
well, i think this is as far as i can take the interjections....i read the raw weidu of the puzzle imp in watchers keep, and there is no option to break off the dialog with the imp and ask sola....

unless the weidu chikkas  want to add such a line... and i can see problems with the scripting happening...it would have to be tested, and it could get ugly...i noticed a line that checks to see if this is the first time the party talks to the imp, and rescripting it could get ugly...now the interjections at the broken bridge and the shadelord, statue and room of letters could be implemented in a non intrusive manner as simple sola interjections...the statue and broken bridge, i am positive you can break the dialog with the riddle giver and ask sola for advice, but unless you guys want to modify the puzzle imp dialog to break the dialog so you can force talk sola, its pretty dead in the water...

but a straight interjection at the room of letters and at the teleport maze should be fine....its not too intrusive and a comment from sola would be appropriate...

so how do we submit final forms???

just leave it posted, and let you guys read and edit and modify it to the way you want it, or email it in formally???



 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 07, 2003, 02:58:47 AM
Interjections would be emailed directly to Wes, as would dialogues. I can attempt to code them for you before sending if you want, or you can send as is :)
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 07, 2003, 03:26:42 AM
so i should write off a final form of the riddle master interjections, and the infra vision flirt, and i can just submit them to you???

those two are mine, and i shall write them up soon....i also just posted a item, and i can submit that to you, right???

thanks...will do soon....
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 07, 2003, 03:31:31 AM
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so i should write off a final form of the riddle master interjections, and the infra vision flirt, and i can just submit them to you???

those two are mine, and i shall write them up soon....i also just posted a item, and i can submit that to you, right???

thanks...will do soon....
Only if you want me to code them for you. I'd then give them back to you in coded form to send to Wes :)
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 07, 2003, 03:59:42 AM
me??? submit to wes??

urk...well, i suck totally as a writer...hey, i was born to be an engineer, and i am actually most comfy writing documentation on computer issues...sigh...but since i came up with some ideas, and people here seem to like them and they helped me develop them, i guess i am responsible for submitting them to wes...use his email or pm???

sigh...will do soon...
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 07, 2003, 04:03:42 AM
To his email. Don't worry, he doesn't bite! :)
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Userunfriendly on April 07, 2003, 04:29:46 AM
yeah, but valen might....

actually, getting bit by valen on the neck...hmmmm...

did ya see my last submission to wes???

in the valen alternate portaits section, i sent him some months ago a publicity still photo cropped to portrait size a picture of ashley scott, the killer hottie on wb's birds of prey..

its the one with the black haired girl dressed out in black leather and lace, standing in front of a brick wall..totally lame series, but she is hot...

sigh...going to have to carefully write up my ideas...now as i understand it, the rules of the game is that you are responsible for writing up the stuff you came up with, and include any suggestions by other people you like, but if the idea is yours, you are responsible for submitting it, right???

so i noticed that sapphiredragon liked a lot of my dialogs for the chinchilla familiar, but she is the person responsible, since i think she came up with the chinchilla idea, for including any of my suggestions and proofing it for the final form to be submitted to wes, right???

this way we know who is to blame..hehehhehhe...
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Elven_vampiress on April 11, 2003, 03:07:05 AM
Let's see, I'm probably posting in the wrong thread, and I'm probably a real huge nuisance, so you'll have to put up with me or ignore me, either one.

I have a few sola ideas (duh):
1.    I think it's strange that Elhan doesn't comment about the drow (solaufein) in your party    when you return the Lanthorn.  But I ain't the comment writing type so I won't suggest    anything.

2.    Seeing Solaufein is trying to become accepted, he might feel it necessary to become    involved with the problem between Hanj and the trader in the gate district. I'm still not going    to suggest any ACTUAL comments here.

3.   Perhaps a comment or two with Hendark? Involving the slave pits in the Copper Coronet.    Just a suggestion.

I'm finished with my quick ramblings, my suggestions are finished, for now...
P.S. As a member of the R.S.P.C.F.P.V.B society, I must say that sola could have great fun battling pink vorpal bunnies. I could imagine it now:

Pc:    What the hell are they?

Sola:    [Char], these are the most horrible of terrible creatures!! They..they are worse than    dragons, worse than illithids, worse than Devas! worse than...

Pc:    I get the point Solaufein! But what *are* they?

Sola:    They are Fluffy pink vorpal bunnies!

Imogen:   Fluffy pink bunnies? What's so bad about bunnies, they're so cute!

Sola:    They'll rip of your head in a flash, they'll vorpalize you!!

Pc:    I'm sure you're only exaggerating Solaufein, They don't have any weapons, they don't even    appear hostile!

Sola:   *You* don't appear dangerous at first, [char], but underneath you're just as dangerous, a    child of Bhaal

Pc: multi choice:
1. Very well, arm yourselves! (battle)
2. Ok, we'll just avoid 'em!
3. Stop being a fool Solaufein, they're only rabbits (battle)

at this point battle begins.

There, a vorpal bunny scene, apologies for the dodgy dialogue, but I think a vorpal scene would be good! This is only the first step in Fluffy pink vorpal bunny resistance.
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 11, 2003, 03:20:20 AM
A reminder, this is a *working* forum. All silliness stays in our off-topic topics. Yes, this means the vorpal bunnies.

Thank you.

As for Elhan, that one is being worked on, or was a page or so back.
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Elven_vampiress on April 11, 2003, 03:25:07 AM
No, I'm serious, I think a comic questy thing could be good, think about it, please...
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on April 11, 2003, 03:31:12 AM
While comical dialogue/situations is always good, you'd have to talk to Wes to have your idea placed within his mod. Until permission is given though, I doubt that your dialogue will be implemented into a Flirt Pack. That does not mean your idea is bad of course--quite the opposite really.

Whether it'll be placed into the Sola mod is completely up to Wes.  ;)
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Elven_vampiress on April 11, 2003, 03:34:37 AM
Thanx for the support Ama
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 11, 2003, 02:06:11 PM
On another note, the pinned topics are pinned for a reason :) Please read them for information about this project and tips on writing for Solaufein.  Thank you.

 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Amazor'dra on April 11, 2003, 06:28:59 PM
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On another note, the pinned topics are pinned for a reason :) Please read them for information about this project and tips on writing for Solaufein.  Thank you.
Your welcome.  :P  
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: PetiteAngel2 on April 12, 2003, 12:11:19 PM
how do you email coded dialogues to wes?
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Tsuru on April 12, 2003, 02:43:03 PM
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how do you email coded dialogues to wes?
You can use the e-mail function from here, or click the link to his site. His email is listed :)
 
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: SapphireDragon on April 12, 2003, 10:41:55 PM
really? I didnt know that. Thanks. :)  
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Corinn on July 09, 2003, 04:31:16 PM
Here's a dialogue/interjection thingy with Belmin Gergas from Waukeen's Promenade:

(Promenade in Ch6, with Sola in your party, not in romance)
BELMIN GERGAS(BG): And what do I see, blasted adventurers have taken a FILTHY Drow with them!
SOLA: Don’t disturb us, fool.
BG: Aahh! DIE!
(BG attacks Solaufein)

(Promenade in Ch6, with Sola in your party, romance with a Female PC)
BG: What are you doing! Walking around with a Drow as your lover?
SOLA: The details of my and [CHARNAME]’s relationship aren’t disclosed to you, jaluk. Get out of my sight.
CHARNAME:
     1. I agree, go away. I don’t care, what you say-You aren’t in love with him.
     2. (kiss Sola)
     3. (grope Sola)
BG: [I think I’m gonna puke...]Aahh! DIE!
(BG attacks)

(Promenade in Ch6, with Sola in your party, romance with a male PC)
BG: Good man, are you insane? You’re having a male Drow as your LOVER?!
SOLA: (Random Drowish a la Go away before I rip your bleeding heart out and shove it down your throat etc)
CHARNAME:
1.   Why you care, imbecile? Get away, beofre I call the guards.
2.   (grope Sola)
3.   (kiss Sola)
BG: My eyes can’t bear such horror!
(BG attacks)

Comments, questions, idea and criticism welcome.
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Caetlyn on July 10, 2003, 12:10:56 PM
Those are kinda cute.  I like them
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Corinn on July 10, 2003, 02:25:36 PM
Cute?  :blink: Oh, well.  Thanks.  :lol:  :rolleyes:  
Title: Interjection ideas
Post by: Mikka on July 10, 2003, 03:10:51 PM
I like them, too, although it might be better if they were changed to something more like 'You're holding HANDS with a drow?!  Blah evil blah blah biased blah evill!' type thing.  He can't tell just by looking at you that your lovers (at least... I hope not o.O), he would need a bit of time to study your interactions and I doubt he cares enough to.  But if you were walking around holding Sola's arm or hand or whatever (*ducks*), then it would be a bit more obvious.
Title: Re: Interjection ideas
Post by: TheEvilQueen on July 16, 2004, 04:47:51 AM
::dusts off topics::

First off, I just want to say how much I'm looking forward to seeing the completion of this add-on for everyone's favorite drow, and how awed I am at the flirts you all are coming up with. I've been a lurker around the Solaufein workshop... and after enjoying what you've already come up with and experiencing the Solaufein mod itself, I feel it's time I gave something back.  ;D

I know absolutely nothing about coding, and this could probably use the severe attention of the Flirt-Goddesses, but the intention is that this interjection would take place if you speak with Crazy Celvan, the wacky halfling in the docks who speaks in verse. ^^

CC: There once was a drow fighter-mage,
Whose good heart lay trapped in a cage.
But Bhaal's spawn set him free,
Yet short-lived was his glee,
'Cause now he must deal with Lolth's rage.

Solaufein: How... how do you know this?

CC: Gods talk to poor Celvan all the time! The Spider Queen and Lady Silverhair have such arguements over rogue darkling! Tee-hee-hee!

CHARNAME:
   1. Solaufein... We won't let Her win. Lolth will never have you. > A
   2. (trying to cheer him up) Now THAT was some bad poetry. > B
   3. (sighing) Crazy halfling. > C

Solaufein:
  A. Thank you, CHARNAME.
  B. (Solaufein glances sidelong at you, and you are relieved to see your comment has brought a faint smile to his face) Indeed, it was, CHARNAME. I had thought such a thing was not possible...  but, as it is said, you live and you learn. [End]
  C. Is he? Insanity often contains a measure of reason, much like the best lies are based off a single grain of truth. > 4

CHARNAME:
  4. Well, when you put it like that... Refraining from tramping around spider-filled dungeons sounds good to me. > E

Solaufein:
  E. And to me as well, abbil. [End]
 

Use it, abuse it, expand it, change whatever you so choose.  :D Just wanted to offer my little idea, and encourge everyone to keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Interjection ideas
Post by: Guest on August 09, 2004, 10:03:51 PM
*Gives a go at shocking the life back into this forum*
Title: Re: Interjection ideas
Post by: Riviera on June 14, 2006, 10:30:39 PM
I would be a very happy person if Sola had interjections with Salvanas and.. what's her name.. the lady in the Shadow Thieves basement.

I mean, he interjects for the poor barmaid in Saradush.. why doesn't he speak up with these two? *pokes him*

It wouldn't really even need to be in romance, since.. well.. I don't THINK he had designs on yon barmaid. *death glare at the drow*  ;D