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Title: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: MONSTER! on May 14, 2004, 10:48:05 PM
so what is the most powerful creature in existance (within the forgottenrealsm/planetscape scope)? what are the stats? how does it look like? where does it live? how many are there? im curios. the tarrasque and solar looks powerful, but is there something more ppowerful?
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Mongoose87 on May 14, 2004, 10:51:10 PM
Depending on what you consider a creature, what you're looking for could even be Ao
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: MyFinalHeaven on May 15, 2004, 02:21:54 AM
Ao must get pretty lonely.No peers and all that.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: NiGHTMARE on May 15, 2004, 04:47:30 AM
Well there are overgods of other worlds within the D&Dverse, but we're never told if they ever interact or not.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Lord Doomhammer on May 15, 2004, 08:17:54 AM
Sure they do, they go over each others planes-of-existence every weekend for overnight smite-fests
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: SimDing0™ on May 15, 2004, 06:41:38 PM
so what is the most powerful creature in existance (within the forgottenrealsm/planetscape scope)? what are the stats? how does it look like? where does it live? how many are there? im curios. the tarrasque and solar looks powerful, but is there something more ppowerful?
I think the Tarrasque is probably the most dangerous bit of wildlife.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Mongoose87 on May 15, 2004, 08:43:42 PM
What about the dagon. the generic enemy of all adventurers?
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: MyFinalHeaven on May 15, 2004, 08:50:50 PM
Sure they do, they go over each others planes-of-existence every weekend for overnight smite-fests

So things like world wars and natural disasters are just gods having fun?
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Caedwyr on May 16, 2004, 12:56:06 AM
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Constellate
CLIMATE/TERRAIN: Wildspace
FREQUENCY: Common
ORGANIZATION: Constellation
ACTIVITY CYCLE: hY
DIET: None
INTELLIGENCE: Low (5-7)
TREASURE: None
ALIGNMENT: Neutral
NO. APPEARING: 1
ARMOR CLASS: (-10)
MOVEMENT: Variable
HIT DICE: N/A
THACo: 2
NO. OF ATIXKS: 1
DAMAGE/ATTACK: See below
SPECIAL ATTACKS: See below
SPECIAL DEFENSES: Nil
MAGIC RESISTANCE: Nil
SIZE: G (1 to 100 million square miles)
MORALE: Fearless (19-20)
XP VALUE: N/A

The peaceful constellates are made of small motes of light gathered in constellations, groupings of stars that suggest various objects and life forms. Surrounding each constellation is the ghostly image of the thing it represents-the constellate proper. These ghostly images depict wolves, swords, warriors, and the like.
Individual stars’ colors vary, but most are bluish-white. Their color may relate to their age. No single star has ever separated from its constellate group.

COMBAT: Constellates choose to avoid battle when possible. Generally they fly away from danger (playing hob with astronomers in the process!). After the danger has passed, the constellate returns to its position.

When an Aperusa (q.v.) clan leader summons a constellate, its nature changes radically. Witnesses see an immense shadowy figure shaped like the constellation drop down from the heavens. The stars diffuse and move randomly within the constellate’s body. It can change size at will, usually to maintain its size relative
to the viewers; for instance, the Panther constellate seems to remain panther-sized whether in the sky or on a ship’s deck.
The constellate gains the special abilities of the character or object it portrays: e.g., the Swan could use wing buffets, and the Krynnspace constellation Raistlin-Fistandantilus could use timestop If it wishes, the constellate can melee at up to its full size-often millions of square miles. The full-size constellate can crush with
its enormous bulk, causing 2d20 points of damage per 1,000 square miles of area. The range of this attack is the constellate’s size. It can use this attack form once every other round. It can also throw bolts of energy (called sunbolts) with unerring accuracy. Sunbolts cause 2dl2 points of damage for every 1,000 square miles of the constellate’s area. The range of the sunbolts is believed to be 500,000 miles. Damage does not decrease over distance; however, accuracy does decrease. At short range (l-125,000 miles) there is no penalty to the attack roll; medium range (125,001-250,000 miles) takes a -2 penalty; and long range (250,001-500,000 miles) takes a -5 penalty. The constellate can use this attack once per round, even while it uses its crushing blow.

The sunbolt is a cone-shaped area 1,000 miles in diameter. When this area of effect is added to the strength of the sunbolt, the constellate can literally crush planets at its whim. Some believe that the Grinder asteroid belt within the heavens of Greyspace is actually the residue of a summoned constellate’s attack. Legends speak of constellates who inflicted great harm against a planet within that crystal sphere. The gods retaliated against these constellates, thereby banning them from the crystal sphere. The constellates’ whereabouts are unknown.

A constellate’s attack lasts only five rounds. There are no reports of an attack lasting longer that this. It then resumes its place in the sky and its former nature. A given constellate can only be summoned once a year.

HABITAT/SOCIETY: Each constellation in a sphere’s night sky is a constellate. They occupy their assigned positions, swapping choice information about the goings-on of the groundling races or lamenting their eternal celestial imprisonment. The advent of spelljamming ships has created new gossip for these beings, and their overall morale has risen.
Although they converse freely among themselves through telepathy, they never speak to corporeal life forms. Attempts to imprison and interrogate constellates fail, for they simply change size to escape from their prison.

ECOLOGY: Sages dispute the true genesis of the constellates. Some postulate that they have existed as long as the stars in the sky. Others point to Krynnspace, where new constellations appeared and old ones disappeared in the War of the Lance. Still others talk of the influence of divine entities.

Why the Aperusa have an affinity with the constellates is an equally tantalizing mystery. They have never divulged their spells of summoning, and with the constellates as allies, it is unlikely that anyone will wrest the secret from the wildspace gypsies.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Sarah on May 16, 2004, 09:11:23 AM
What about the dagon. the generic enemy of all adventurers?

*Chuckles* I'll assume you meant "Dragon" but Dagon is far more terrifying.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Cat87 on May 17, 2004, 07:54:42 AM
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Constellate
CLIMATE/TERRAIN: Wildspace
FREQUENCY: Common
ORGANIZATION: Constellation
ACTIVITY CYCLE: hY
DIET: None
INTELLIGENCE: Low (5-7)
TREASURE: None
ALIGNMENT: Neutral
NO. APPEARING: 1
ARMOR CLASS: (-10)
MOVEMENT: Variable
HIT DICE: N/A
THACo: 2
NO. OF ATIXKS: 1
DAMAGE/ATTACK: See below
SPECIAL ATTACKS: See below
SPECIAL DEFENSES: Nil
MAGIC RESISTANCE: Nil
SIZE: G (1 to 100 million square miles)
MORALE: Fearless (19-20)
XP VALUE: N/A

*snip*

:o
congratulations, I think we have a winner.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Slayne on May 17, 2004, 09:25:26 AM
Seems kinda silly.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: jester on May 17, 2004, 10:20:35 AM
Methusalix or whatever his name is from the Planar Sphere mod. :)
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Joe on May 17, 2004, 10:56:43 AM
A beautiful woman.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: chaz58 on May 17, 2004, 02:08:29 PM
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the Krynnspace constellation Raistlin-Fistandantilus

 :o

I'm not sure (having only read 'Chronicles') but that sounds like a pretty massive spoiler for ppl who haven't read the entire Dragonlance saga.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: bryad on May 17, 2004, 10:16:26 PM
Er... whats a tarresque...?
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Pirengle on May 18, 2004, 02:24:28 AM
Er... whats a tarresque...?

It's a gigantic creature that spends a long time hibernating, but when it comes out of hibernation (for ~2 weeks or so) it goes on a rampage, destroying entire cities. Think of it as the D&D Godzilla, but worse.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Sarah on May 18, 2004, 03:27:07 AM
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the Krynnspace constellation Raistlin-Fistandantilus

 :o

I'm not sure (having only read 'Chronicles') but that sounds like a pretty massive spoiler for ppl who haven't read the entire Dragonlance saga.

It is, rather. You could just have said Fistandantilus and left it at that ;)
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: dis on May 18, 2004, 06:23:23 AM
Er... whats a tarresque...?

It's a gigantic creature that spends a long time hibernating, but when it comes out of hibernation (for ~2 weeks or so) it goes on a rampage, destroying entire cities. Think of it as the D&D Godzilla, but worse.

Uh, there's a whole thread I made about it in the mod discussion forum.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: SimDing0™ on May 18, 2004, 07:44:42 AM
Methusalix or whatever his name is from the Planar Sphere mod. :)
Yes, we're all impressed by any mod which involves killing Ao, Mystra and the Lady of Pain.

And let's also take the time to appreciate whenever the people who write the D&D rulebooks come up with a truly awful idea. Minature Giant Space Hamsters actually appearing in the rulebooks sums this up, I think.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Alarielle on May 18, 2004, 07:46:54 AM
Methusalix or whatever his name is from the Planar Sphere mod. :)
Yes, we're all impressed by any mod which involves killing Ao, Mystra and the Lady of Pain.

And let's also take the time to appreciate whenever the people who write the D&D rulebooks come up with a truly awful idea. Minature Giant Space Hamsters actually appearing in the rulebooks sums this up, I think.

They're actually in the rule book?  That's just daft.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Cat87 on May 18, 2004, 07:48:14 AM
you mean that miniture giant space hamsters are actually in the rule books? :-\

HAMSTERS AND RANGERS EVERYWHERE, REJOICE!!!! ;D
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: dis on May 18, 2004, 04:03:31 PM
you mean that miniture giant space hamsters are actually in the rule books? :-\

HAMSTERS AND RANGERS EVERYWHERE, REJOICE!!!! ;D

So does this confirm that Minsc isn't completely insane?
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Mongoose87 on May 18, 2004, 04:09:12 PM
No, he's insane.  I'm about 99% certain Boo is indeed a stanard-issue hamster and Minsc is just deluded into thinking he has super powers.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: neriana on May 18, 2004, 04:20:58 PM
What ARE the powers of a real Miniature Giant Space Hamster?
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Kish on May 18, 2004, 04:24:43 PM
I've heard that they're smarter than a normal hamster (but nowhere near the level Minsc claims for Boo, more like "they can learn more complicated tricks" level), and they live longer.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Caedwyr on May 18, 2004, 05:14:26 PM
Yep, minature giant space hamsters appear almost identical to normal hamsters, but they are slightly more intelligent (barely) and live a short while longer.  They are also more likely to be discovered near Tinker gnomes.


Regarding the spoiler: I had no clue it was one, since that post was a direct quote from the Spelljammer Monster Compendium 8 book.  I don't really know anything about Dragonlance so it didn't even register to me.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: dis on May 18, 2004, 09:14:39 PM
I would also say that Demogorgan would be one of the strongest creatures in existance.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Galactygon on May 18, 2004, 09:23:38 PM
Quoting Discharger at the "Better Monster" thread...
Even so, can't we just buff him up a bit? I mean, he IS supposed to be some huge giant hellish beast. He looks much more tough then demogorgan.

Quoting Discharger at this thread...
I would also say that Demogorgan would be one of the strongest creatures in existance.

 ::)

Anyways, are you saying that the Demogorgon can defeat the Lady of Pain? I'd like to see that.

-Galactygon
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Mongoose87 on May 18, 2004, 09:36:02 PM
So, i guess Boo might acutaly be a Miniature Giant Space Hamster, with overrated intelligence.  Wierd...
IMHO the strongest thing that adventurers could encounter is the lord of battle, Tempus.  Who else we be tougher to fight? Like, Ao doesn't really meddle with mortal matters.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Caedwyr on May 19, 2004, 08:01:44 PM
Slight problem.  Demogorgon is a lesser power/demipower (deity), and the Lady of Pain is rumored to be a Greater Power (highest deity rank not counting overpowers).  I wouldn't count either as monsters.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Roland on May 20, 2004, 01:27:34 PM
so what is the most powerful creature in existance (within the forgottenrealsm/planetscape scope)? what are the stats? how does it look like? where does it live? how many are there? im curios. the tarrasque and solar looks powerful, but is there something more ppowerful?

Moderators.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Sarah on May 21, 2004, 04:44:21 AM
Boo has lived quite a long time compared to regular hamsters which childhood trauma reminds me only live about 2 years. I know  Giant Space Hamsters are in the rule books, didn't realise Mini ones were as well, I figured that was just a joke on behalf of the BG writers.
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Caedwyr on May 21, 2004, 09:02:56 AM
Believe it or not there are also Fire Breathing Phase Dopelganger Space Hamsters in the official rulebooks and other types that are even more silly. 
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Post by: Galactygon on May 21, 2004, 04:10:25 PM
What about flying water elemental space hamsters?

-Galactygon
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Post by: Mongoose87 on May 21, 2004, 04:46:49 PM
Are they in 3rd edition too?
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: Caedwyr on May 21, 2004, 09:55:59 PM
As far as I know they are only in second edition.  Here is the page from the Spelljammer Monster Manual which lists the variations on the normal Giant Space Hamster.

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/522/Hamsters.jpg)
Title: Re: what is the most powerful creature in existance?
Post by: bryad on May 22, 2004, 12:36:50 PM
Quoting Discharger at the "Better Monster" thread...
Even so, can't we just buff him up a bit? I mean, he IS supposed to be some huge giant hellish beast. He looks much more tough then demogorgan.

Quoting Discharger at this thread...
I would also say that Demogorgan would be one of the strongest creatures in existance.

 ::)

Anyways, are you saying that the Demogorgon can defeat the Lady of Pain? I'd like to see that

-Galactygon

What about that new D&D rts that people are making, it has a new world, maybe IT will put in some contendors into this strongest creature contest.

LOl, Tyrnonehamsterous Rex.. LOL... The stuff of legends, right boo?