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Title: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 09, 2004, 02:21:26 PM
Instead of the usual useless stuff I post, I decided to post here a thing or two on how to kill aswell as a few things about individual monsters you see throughout SoA and ToB. Some things will be obvious, some things not-so obvious. Now and then I'll give it an update (hopefully more updates then the BGII story I posted a while back) Feel free to add anything, make a comment, ect. as I'm positive I will make many a mistake. Some time in the future I plan to say how much experience you get.

Note that this list does NOT include key characters such as Bodhi, Sendai, Mae'var and such.

There are a seldom few people like that I might list, like Kangaxx for example, but for now I'm sticking with the regular baddies.

The list goes in no particular order.

Troll 4/11/04

Besides the regular old troll, there are 5 types of trolls seen throughout the game. Ice trolls, Fire trolls, Spectral trolls, Sea Trolls (actually 1 I think), and another troll that I can not think of at the moment.. Cloudkill does them in significantly fast, fireball goes well, and regular old hack-and-slash will get them good. Remember that when they faint you need to use Acid or Fire on them, except the Fire trolls, which need acid or cold. The weakest trolls are Ice trolls. You seldom see these, but when you do, one or two hits and there down. Just pop out another acid or fire arrow, and there gone.

Vampires 4/10/04

Vampires are a tricky lot, especially for low levels characters. With their level draining powers they tear you apart. This is especially annoying when mages and clerics are level drained, as you need to go back to there spell books to redo their spells. Vampires have a little bit of magic resistance, so don't expect magic missiles to tear them apart. Use the cleric spell "Negative Plane Energy" do prevent level drainage. Use the Cleric spell "Lesser Restoration" for an individual drained party member or "Greater Restoration" for multiple drained party members..
The most effective spell against these fiends is the cleric spell "Sunray," also available for use through the long sword "Day Star" found in the Crooked Crane. I have yet to use "False dawn" though it is said to be a good spell. Fireball is also a good spell, used by a variety of people.

Remember that if you kill a vampire with a name (such as Dace) there may be a coffin nearby. To fully kill the vamp, you need to get a wooden stake and hammer it right into the coffin.

Yuan-ti 4/11/04

Yuan-ti are lizard people, who are ALWAYS out to get you. There isn't even any Yuan-ti that will talk to you, except the one in the de'Arnise stronghold. There are two other types of Yuan-ti, besides the regular ones. Elite Yuan-ti and Yuan-ti who cast spells (forgot exact name) Normal
Both normal Yuan-ti and Elite Yuan-ti are fairly easy, and shouldn't be much of a problem even for low level players. A fireball or two, maybe an horrid wilting spell, should take them out pretty quick. The worst thing a Yuan-ti mage can do is cast chaos, which they tend to do quite a bit. Have any available mage cast breach and then have your fighters swoop in.

Yuan-ti=green. Elite Yuan-ti=redish brown. Mage Yuan-ti= Yellow with a bit of red.

Dragons 9/12/04

Dragons come in a good variety of shapes and colors (all about the same size in the game) There is a Silver, Red, Blue, Shadow, and Black dragon. There are also two others that I can't think of, Abazigal's son, and the one you may have to fight in Hell. Besides just using their tails and claws to attack with, they also have there own special powers. Shadow dragons have deadly level draining, as well as acid breath, Red dragons use their fire breath, Blue dragons use spells and electric attacks, and Black dragons use web. Usually people tend to not fight the silver dragon that you encounter in the game, so I won't list any other of its powers.

Many people think of dragon battles as the toughest fights in the game. Other people say they are a pushover. Well, I'm the one of the people who say they are pushovers. That is, if you know what you're doing.

I've been told that Step #3 in the battle tips section works quite well, but I have another easier alternative. All you need is a mage who can deplete the dragon's magic resistance, a lightning wand with at least 6 charges in it, and maybe a few magic missles available. First off, as soon as you see the dragon, get its magic resistance off, if you didn't do this everything else I say will become null and void. Then get your wand at the ready. When you put the cursor over the dragon you should see a little number under it. Slowly click this over and over and see the number get bigger (or smaller.. I can't quite remember) this creates multiple charges. Then let it rip and see around 40 damage get ripped from the dragon  :)
Keep doing this, and maybe cast a few magic missles, and things should fly by. I've tried this with every dragon and it works great!



Liches 4/18/04

Liches are some of the hardest magical creatures in FR. Some may be a bit easy, while some (like Kangaxx) will just plain scare the hell outta you!
When I first tried to figure out a technique to kill liches, I thought of the spell breach, which dispells all weapon protections. I tried this over and over, baffled as to why it didn't effect them whatsoever. Then Kish thoughtfully shed some light on the matter.

Liches are immune to spells of levels 1-5.

They're also immune to unenchanted weapons.


Thanks Kish :)

You will have to use a higher level spell, which I'm currently looking into. I would say use Spell Strike, but that is a 9th level spell, and who wants to wait till then?


Umber Hulks 4/18/04

Umber hulks look like giant, green, beetle/dog like creatures. They are easy enough to kill, but their troublesome, eye-gazing confusion is what really can give you a headache.

One way to avoid this is to have a cleric cast "Chaotic Commands" which makes users immune to spells such as confusion, chaos, etc. This is really more trouble then its worth, so what I do is send in my weakest character (mage or thief) and all the Umber Hulks pelt him with confusion. It takes awhile to recharge this ability, so when all the hulks have done there business send in all the other characters to attack. If the confusion on that one person has not weared off, either wait, or cast "dispel magic"

Kish had this to say:

Umber Hulks rarely make their saving throws against Chromatic Orb, and they have few enough hit dice to die if hit by a Cloudkill or Death Spell.


More later..



Tips before/during battles:

1. Haste is your best friend. Haste improves the speed of your attacks, tearing your enemies apart much faster then usual.

2. Remove fear is also a "Resist fear" spell. Casting this in fights can be helpful if your party members have low morale or your enemy cast spells such as "Cloak of Fear" or "Horror"

3. Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting is a very effect spell against almost any creature. Just make sure your opponent doesn't have much magic resistance or spell protections on him.

4. Sunray is an excellent spell to use against the undead. I've learned it's most effective against Vampires, skeletons, and almost every types of shades. I'm told False Dawn is good too, but I've never gotten it to work :P (Am I feeling deja vu?)

5. More later...
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: Nesquaam on April 09, 2004, 02:45:38 PM
This gets every critter down (although really slow) : Blade Barrier + Invisability
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: discharger12 on April 09, 2004, 02:48:09 PM
This gets every critter down (although really slow) : Blade Barrier + Invisability

Used by the blade right?
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: Caedwyr on April 09, 2004, 03:42:45 PM
Blade Barrier or Globe of Blades is a cleric spell
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: discharger12 on April 09, 2004, 04:28:17 PM
I remember now.

My mistake.
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: cliffette on April 09, 2004, 05:12:37 PM
Ugh, blade barrier always ends with me accidentally injuring/killing my own compatriots.  :-\

Vampires - I love the cleric spell False Dawn. Love it, love it. Sunray is also great.
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: AkashaCatBat on April 09, 2004, 08:43:18 PM
Ugh, blade barrier always ends with me accidentally injuring/killing my own compatriots.  :-\

Vampires - I love the cleric spell False Dawn. Love it, love it. Sunray is also great.

Hell, you don't even need that after Anomen levels up a few times. Just send him alone into the vampire nest wearing that necklace thing Linvail gives yah, *maybe* with the mace of disruption (not really neccesary) and have him turn undead. BOOM! Their heads a splode!!
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: WolfCatBot on April 09, 2004, 08:48:33 PM
Why not unique monsters/enemies, mrowr?
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: Mongoose87 on April 09, 2004, 08:56:58 PM
For mages just before they get their spell protections up, Melf's Acid arrow.  Interrupts their casting.  Would drive me nuts if i was the victim.
Title: Re: The best way to kill each monster..
Post by: discharger12 on April 09, 2004, 09:20:41 PM
Nesquaam- I don't really use Blade Barrier much, it hurts your own NPC's more then your enemies (well at least for me)

Cliffette and Queen_Akasha- I agree  ;D

Mongoose- Very good idea  :)



Keep it coming guys, this stuff is great.

Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: arithar on April 09, 2004, 10:19:29 PM
For dragons, one of my best methods is to have my fighters engage while my mage casts lower resistance. Then use millions of magic missiles!!! Only 2-3 will get through to hit, but that's 12-15 damage.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 09, 2004, 10:31:30 PM
For dragons, one of my best methods is to have my fighters engage while my mage casts lower resistance. Then use millions of magic missiles!!! Only 2-3 will get through to hit, but that's 12-15 damage.

For me its only like 3-5 damage each. What really works is Lower Resistance and then multiple bolts from lightening wand. Try it :)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: AkashaCatBat on April 09, 2004, 10:34:28 PM
For Mind Flayers or Illithids, the easiest way to beat them is to cast Mordinkaidin's(sp?) Sword. As the sword has no brain to drain, the illithid's most powerful attack is useless. Send the sword in first. You can either let it kill everything on its own, or you can wait a bit until the illithid's attention is focused on the sword, and run in and slaughter them while they attack it.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Cybersquirt on April 09, 2004, 11:04:25 PM
dragons.. if you can cast a warding whip on 'em, you're golden
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: arithar on April 09, 2004, 11:07:45 PM
How about beholders - I hate the damned things.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Kish on April 09, 2004, 11:10:39 PM
Simplest thing in the game: Have someone solo them with the Shield of Balduran.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Cybersquirt on April 09, 2004, 11:14:28 PM
..or the unpatched Cloak of Reflection  ;D
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Shodan on April 10, 2004, 07:36:42 AM
Link 1: http://phpbb01.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=273

Link 2: http://phpbb01.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=281

These are for the big bad fights. Not individual small time creatures or small time adventurer parties.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 10, 2004, 10:52:20 AM
Link 1: http://phpbb01.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=273

Link 2: http://phpbb01.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=281

These are for the big bad fights. Not individual small time creatures or small time adventurer parties.

After looking at these I don't think there is really any point in what I'm doing  :-[

Does anyone think I should continue?  ???
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Alarielle on April 10, 2004, 10:57:22 AM
my favourite monster slaying spell of all time - Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting ;D
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Cybersquirt on April 10, 2004, 11:36:50 AM
sometimes these things take on a life of their own, Discharger.  In fact, they're supposed to.
(it isn't about you anymore  :))
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 10, 2004, 12:33:29 PM
sometimes these things take on a life of their own, Discharger.  In fact, they're supposed to.
(it isn't about you anymore  :))

what is that supposed to mean?  ???
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 10, 2004, 02:49:12 PM
Web en Cloudkill (Know it's lame, but hey, it works).

And Discharger=> You're not supposed to stand next to your NPC's when using Blade Barrier.
Just send your cleric in.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 10, 2004, 07:16:22 PM
Web en Cloudkill (Know it's lame, but hey, it works).

And Discharger=> You're not supposed to stand next to your NPC's when using Blade Barrier.
Just send your cleric in.

Ah.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: cliffette on April 10, 2004, 08:34:36 PM
Link 1: http://phpbb01.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=273

Link 2: http://phpbb01.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=281

These are for the big bad fights. Not individual small time creatures or small time adventurer parties.

After looking at these I don't think there is really any point in what I'm doing  :-[

Does anyone think I should continue?  ???

Yes, because my attention span = short, and your summaries are shorter :). Also, it can't hurt to have everyone throwing their own battle tactics/tips in and having them summarised somewhere.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 10, 2004, 09:25:04 PM
Well said cliffette :)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: arithar on April 10, 2004, 10:33:33 PM
What about elder orbs? They can bypass the shield of balduran.

Also - for killing sahuagin - nothing better than a good old "Death Spell".
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Cybersquirt on April 10, 2004, 11:17:17 PM
sometimes these things take on a life of their own, Discharger.  In fact, they're supposed to.
(it isn't about you anymore  :))
what is that supposed to mean?  ???
It means, don't worry, be happy  :)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Mongoose87 on April 10, 2004, 11:31:49 PM
It's when you start worrying that they try to kill you... *looks around nervously*
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: melora on April 10, 2004, 11:37:21 PM
i definitely need to start wearing my glasses when im at the computer..... when i read the title i thought it said "how to kill your mother"  instead of monster. :o
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Jessayla on April 10, 2004, 11:41:05 PM
*laugh* I thought that as well!
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: bryad on April 11, 2004, 01:05:22 AM
OK, if anyone is ever having trouble with the shadow dragon or Firky, or any other dragon besides Adalon, i got the best spell for them: Smite Evil.

I had a party once, it included Minsc, My Pc (half elven FIghter-cleric WITH a sword  8)), keldorn, Aeries, Anomen and Yoshimo.

I basicallly had Yoshi cast like a million traps beside,behind, under, and over the dragon, hehe, then i just attacked it, it lost almost all its hp immediately, then i just smite evil it with 3 clerics at once, BAM, dragon on a stick.

So you want to kill off some mind flayers.. well.... 2 words for ya, OVERSIGHT MOD!
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Alarielle on April 11, 2004, 03:49:16 AM
nah, I always do the same thing with my dragons, cast lower resistance on them about four times then Abi-Dalzim them
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Cybersquirt on April 11, 2004, 03:53:02 AM
*laugh* I thought that as well!
You 2 have been reading that boob thread far too long.  ;)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 11, 2004, 06:50:57 AM
Has anyone some good tactics for lich-slaying?
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Alarielle on April 11, 2004, 07:00:16 AM
I just tend to beat the crap out of them
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 11, 2004, 07:56:58 AM
I just tend to beat the crap out of them

lol, I'm still figuring them out. Usually I just hold in till' there spells wear off.

Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Shodan on April 11, 2004, 03:09:06 PM
Has anyone some good tactics for lich-slaying?

Send in a lone Nishruu to soak up his spells. The bloody lich just keeps casting spells at it. When the Lich has some monsters guarding him, he'll heal the Nishruu because he keeps casting spells at it.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/11/04
Post by: Mongoose87 on April 11, 2004, 11:00:50 PM
Never though of that one
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 12, 2004, 10:38:11 AM
Has anyone some good tactics for lich-slaying?

Send in a lone Nishruu to soak up his spells. The bloody lich just keeps casting spells at it. When the Lich has some monsters guarding him, he'll heal the Nishruu because he keeps casting spells at it.
That's a good one, got to remember it.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 12, 2004, 07:48:03 PM
It would be nice if people could also think of monster in the game, besides the one's I list.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Mongoose87 on April 12, 2004, 08:52:13 PM
anyone good at killing evil mages who have stolen your soul to get revenge on the people of their former elven lover?
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 12, 2004, 09:43:58 PM
anyone good at killing evil mages who have stolen your soul to get revenge on the people of their former elven lover?

Err.. just attacking. In hell he's the easiest boss.. I just have all my players attack him. As for the demons, I just use that special ability where low levels die instantly or something
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Shodan on April 12, 2004, 11:59:22 PM
To kill a mage:

True Seeing/True Sight
Breach

That's all.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Mongoose87 on April 13, 2004, 09:24:42 AM
Even if he's transformed into an avatar of Bhaal?
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Alarielle on April 13, 2004, 09:26:30 AM
I just remembered an invaluable piece of information when it comes to fighting fiends:  monsters can't open doors.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Mongoose87 on April 13, 2004, 09:29:09 AM
Fighters at the frotn, everone else casts spells and uses ranged weapons from in the other room.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 13, 2004, 09:54:47 AM
Don't forget to post a cleric behind your line of front fighters to heal them.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Shodan on April 13, 2004, 10:47:35 AM
Even if he's transformed into an avatar of Bhaal?

Breach will work on just about anyone (Liches not included)

True sight/True seeing too.

So yes, it'll work on the Slayer.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 13, 2004, 03:27:36 PM
I don't use True Sight on the slayer, I just hit him. All my players are way over-powered at that point and kick his ass. It's almost like Tazok. First he was big and bad, but in Firkraag dungeon he's a wimp  :D
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 14, 2004, 09:05:36 AM
Just for the fun of it:

Let Minsc dualwield a mace and the FoA and let him run through some kobolds.
Bloody bits and pieces everywhere. :P

But seriously now (it's hard but i'll try). I just overpowre them with all enchantments my spellcasters have and fight them hand to hand combat. Most of the time it works.
When it doen't, I have to run very hard and don't look back.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: jester on April 14, 2004, 09:57:01 AM
UU has a nice 'Greater Deathblow at a DistanceTM'- routine. Used to be a link in his sig. ;)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Shodan on April 14, 2004, 10:46:15 AM
Jan Jansens Flasher Cruiser Bruiser IIRC. The Greater Deathblow becomes an area effect spell.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: jester on April 14, 2004, 10:59:07 AM
http://members.chello.nl/~j.vanthull/BG2SR/Main.htm I cannot recall. Read it here. :)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Shodan on April 14, 2004, 11:02:40 AM
Greater Deathblow!(Userunfriendly)

Well, if I am writing this guide, you knew I would include this....this is my favorite cheese, and I invented it...once you get the high level ability greater deathblow, equipp an area effect weapon, and activate the ability and fire the area effect weapon into a room full of annoying fodder, like mind flayers and beholders, and every monster in the area of effect will die, dropping like poisoned roaches.  You see, most of the "fodder" creatures in the game, are below level 12. And greater deathblow completely ignores saves and magic resistance, if a creature is below level 12, being hit with any weapon while greater deathblow is active will insta kill them, no saves, no resistance, only deathward will protect them (darned drow priestesses!!!). Area effect weapons like fire seeds, courtesy of any druids, like Jahiera or Cernd...also arrows of detonation works great, so does the frag grenade ammo used with the big metal rod...

Tips

Area effect nastiness includes the most useful ability, greater deathblow, but also includes smite, (blow all nearby enemies away from you like the wing buffect dragon ability) and power attack (a fighter version of power word stun, this is particularly nasty if you are using energy blades, you can stun almost anything with a volley of power attack energy blades) and poison weapon (poison a room full of goblins in one attack) and even if you dont have area effect weapons, its pretty awesome...try it with melf minute meteors or energy blades if you are a fighter mage, or have sola for quickly killing most of the enemies in a room fast....this ability kills mind flayers, beholders, trolls, vampires, umber hulks, drow, and some demons(tenari)...but certain individuals of these types are immune, since they are above level 12(does not work on named vampires, for example, and mindflayer liches, in the mindflayer lair in the underdark, and elder orbs or hive mothers...)....and vampires can be killed with greater deathblow, but you cannot hit them with +1 weapons, like frag grenade or arrows of detonation...use melf or energy blades to kill vampires fast...the usual rank and file fodder creatures that makes many "boss" encounters difficult can be slaughtered by this exploit, thus you can kill off the "support" enemies and concentrate your party attacks on the boss...who is feeling pretty lonely once its support creatures are dead.

 

Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: bryad on April 14, 2004, 07:05:01 PM
Has anyone some good tactics for lich-slaying?

Keldorn with that big long sword....


















Carsomyr... Man... you got a sick mind...
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Mongoose87 on April 14, 2004, 07:08:02 PM
Did anyone else not think of the possible conotations untill they reached the bottom of the page and he suggested there were some?
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: arithar on April 14, 2004, 09:34:25 PM
Yea, why does Breach not work on liches? That pisses me off. I suppose I could just use unenchanted weapons, yes?
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Kish on April 14, 2004, 09:43:58 PM
Liches are immune to spells of levels 1-5.

They're also immune to unenchanted weapons.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 14, 2004, 09:59:36 PM
Liches are immune to spells of levels 1-5.

They're also immune to unenchanted weapons.

That explains it, thanks Kish  :)

I'll add that tommorow
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: arithar on April 14, 2004, 10:32:43 PM
Thanks Kish. I guess I'll be using SpellStrike on those damn things.

Next creature - what about drow - and I mean with magic. Can any spells "bypass" their resistance?
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 15, 2004, 07:47:28 AM
Drow are strong, but any hand-to-hand combat should kill them if you intrerupt their spellcasters.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 15, 2004, 05:02:01 PM
Drow are strong, but any hand-to-hand combat should kill them if you intrerupt their spellcasters.

I noticed that my two favorite 9th level spells (however cheesy they may be) dragon's breath, and comet work fairly well on them. Though you are more then likely not going to face a drow with that spell until you go to the Pocket Plane. Maybe not even then  :-\
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 15, 2004, 05:13:43 PM
Thanks to Kish for the help with Liches :)

If someone could please suggest a spell that is slightly lower leveled then Spell Strike..
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Kish on April 15, 2004, 05:15:46 PM
Liches walk very slowly.  When they cast Protection from Magical Weapons, your best bet is usually to run away and wait for it to wear off.

Comet will normally be blocked by drow magic resistance just like any other spell, unless you have the :ahem: Oversight Mod.  However, Sunfire goes through magic resistance.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: jester on April 15, 2004, 05:38:10 PM
That is why there is a mod that gives Liches the ability to teleport a party back to them. Very annoying for the 'waiting to wear off' trick.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 18, 2004, 04:49:31 PM
I added Umber Hulks, and I also noticed that my dates had a nine in the months catagory. Seeing as it is not September, I have changed it too four. :)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Kish on April 18, 2004, 05:22:07 PM
Umber Hulks rarely make their saving throws against Chromatic Orb, and they have few enough hit dice to die if hit by a Cloudkill or Death Spell.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 18, 2004, 05:42:32 PM
Umber Hulks rarely make their saving throws against Chromatic Orb, and they have few enough hit dice to die if hit by a Cloudkill or Death Spell.

I completley forgot about the Cloudkill. I'll add that right in, along with the others.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Ruben on April 19, 2004, 07:36:58 AM
Any good defense against the Chaos spell? Dosn't matter what level my characters are, they cast that spell and my Warrior start hacking appart my mages while my mages try to be things up with their staffs? It seems that if they get that spell off, I might as well reload cause I ushually loose half my party to my own party.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Pirengle on April 19, 2004, 09:35:54 AM
Any good defense against the Chaos spell?

The priest spell Chaotic Commands is a lifesaver against mind-affecting magic. Don't leave home without it.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Ruben on April 19, 2004, 11:15:36 AM
Nods, I've know about that one, just hoping their was something more convient that having to cast that spell 6 times, to protect my entire party.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: Grim Squeaker on April 19, 2004, 11:23:26 AM
i definitely need to start wearing my glasses when im at the computer..... when i read the title i thought it said "how to kill your mother"  instead of monster. :o

I once misread Bri's fanfic 'Are you being served?' as 'Are you being screwed?'...
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Alarielle on April 19, 2004, 11:38:58 AM
nicely done :D
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/9/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 19, 2004, 03:27:52 PM
i definitely need to start wearing my glasses when im at the computer..... when i read the title i thought it said "how to kill your mother"  instead of monster. :o

I once misread Bri's fanfic 'Are you being served?' as 'Are you being screwed?'...

I saw a post that said (not in this forum) 'Merry X-mas!' and I thought It said "Marry my X!" :P
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: arithar on April 19, 2004, 11:12:46 PM
Back on topic.

That chromatic orb works quite well, hehehe, just tried it.

Any advice on golems? I know clay golems need to be bludgeoned to death, but what's best?
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 20, 2004, 08:03:29 AM
Any advice on golems? I know clay golems need to be bludgeoned to death, but what's best?

As already said by discharger12, haste is a good one to try. And then just smash them.
Try not to get hit by a gollem because they slow you down severly and the beat you to pulp.

Try to get the big ones (iron and adamantine) syuck in some door, and then make hit-and-run attacks.
Let your cleric(s) heal your fighters if possible.

Gollems have al lot of magic resistance, so magic won't work on them. Maybe there's a spell wich deals with this, but I can't think of one right now.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Ruben on April 20, 2004, 10:28:08 AM
Really cheep tactics that can be used to be Adaminte and Iron, use Melphs Minute Metorite. On every sucesfful hit it will do 2-3 damage to Iron, and 1 Damage to Adamite. You need ALOT of casting to kill one, but it works fairly efficently
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: Rathwellin the Bard on April 20, 2004, 04:10:48 PM
Next creature - what about drow - and I mean with magic. Can any spells "bypass" their resistance?

I haven't tried it myself but my understanding is that Sunfire & Ice Storm bypass MR.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/12/04
Post by: discharger12 on April 20, 2004, 04:31:37 PM
Next creature - what about drow - and I mean with magic. Can any spells "bypass" their resistance?

I haven't tried it myself but my understanding is that Sunfire & Ice Storm bypass MR.

You may be thinking of Saving throws.. or am I?  ???

If you have no magical weapons to attack the iron golem in de'Arnise, you can use the hammer in the statue :)

And a few Lower Resistance spells work fine too. Just chuck magic missles, and they're gone
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: mcruz on April 20, 2004, 05:51:46 PM
for golems........lower magic resistance is a must, that is if you want to kill them with spells (it'll just take a little longer than the old-fashioned way..... ;D) i don't remember exactly what I did but magic missile, skull trap, ice storm, cone of cold, chain lightning, disintegrate, delayed blast fireball, finger of death, moderkainen'd sword, bigby's clenched fist/crushing hand, are probably woth exploring

i agree that if you want to obliterate drow quickly dragon's breath is the way to go........comet is fun too though....wail of the banshee sometimes works well...summoning spells can also help....or if you have a well-equipped party (weapons and armor) you can bulldoze your way through
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Rathwellin the Bard on April 21, 2004, 06:49:32 AM
Sunfire has a target of 'self' and so it ignores the MR of creatures in the area of effect ... thus it works fine on drow.  This I know for a fact.

Ice Storm I'm not so sure of.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 21, 2004, 01:11:41 PM
if you have a well-equipped party (weapons and armor) you can bulldoze your way through
This is THE solution to a lot of critters, just walk trough them swinging bix and heavy weapons.
Lower Magic Resistance one of the most valuebale spells in the whole game.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: jester on April 21, 2004, 01:14:24 PM
'Having a well equipped party (weapons and armour)' is almost too cheesy and subtle as a hint.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Nesquaam on April 21, 2004, 01:18:12 PM
'Having a well equipped party (weapons and armour)' is almost too cheesy and subtle as a hint.
It ain't no hint. It's a fact. So, all of you children, this is a valuebale lesson:

NEVER BUY CRAPY WEAPONS !!!

Dont underestimate the power of good equipment, it can help you make the fininsh even when you have a crapy team.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: discharger12 on May 05, 2004, 04:39:09 PM
Seeing as I deleted my account, I have no control over changing my old stuff, so I though I should just edit it from here.

I've also decided to add the 'Dungeons and Dragons 3rd Edition Monster Manual' descriptions. They may not be exactly like the creatures you see in BGII, but they are pretty fun to read.  ;)



I decided to post here a thing or two on how to kill aswell as a few things about individual monsters you see throughout SoA and ToB. Some things will be obvious, some things not-so obvious. Now and then I'll give it an update (hopefully more updates then the BGII story I posted a while back) Feel free to add anything, make a comment, ect. as I'm positive I will make many a mistake. Some time in the future I plan to say how much experience you get.

Note that this list does NOT include key characters such as Bodhi, Sendai, Mae'var and such.

There are a seldom few people like that I might list, like Kangaxx for example, but for now I'm sticking with the regular baddies.

The list goes in no particular order.

Troll 4/11/04

Besides the regular old troll, there are 5 types of trolls seen throughout the game. Ice trolls, Fire trolls, Spectral trolls, Sea Trolls (actually 1 I think), and another troll that I can not think of at the moment.. Cloudkill does them in significantly fast, fireball goes well, and regular old hack-and-slash will get them good. Remember that when they faint you need to use Acid or Fire on them, except the Fire trolls, which need acid or cold. The weakest trolls are Ice trolls. You seldom see these, but when you do, one or two hits and there down. Just pop out another acid or fire arrow, and there gone.

Vampires 5/5/04

Vampires are a tricky lot, especially for low levels characters. With their level draining powers they tear you apart. This is especially annoying when mages and clerics are level drained, as you need to go back to there spell boodks to redo their spells. Vampires have a little bit of magic resistance, so don't expect magic missiles to tear them apart. Use the cleric spell "Negative Plane Energy" do prevent level drainage. Use the Cleric spell "Lesser Restoration" for an individual drained party member or "Greater Restoration" for multiple drained party members..
The most effective spell against these fiends is the cleric spell "Sunray," also available for use through the long sword "Day Star" found in the Crooked Crane. I have yet to use "False dawn" though it is said to be a good spell. Fireball is also a good spell, used by a variety of people.

Remember that if you kill a vampire with a name (such as Dace) there may be a coffin nearby. To fully kill the vamp, you need to get a wooden stake and hammer it right into the coffin.

Core Rulebook III description:
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Forever anchored to their coffins and the unholy earth of their graves, these nocturnal predators scheme constantly to strengthen themselves and fill the world with their foul progeny. Vampires appear just as they did in life, although their features are often hardened and feral, with the predatory look of wolves. Like liches, they often embrace finery and decadence and may assume the guise of nobility. Despite their human appearance, vampires can be easily recongnized, for they cast no shadows and throw no reflections in mirrors. Vampires speak any languages they knew in life.



Yuan-ti 5/5/04

Yuan-ti are lizard people, who are ALWAYS out to get you. There isn't even any Yuan-ti that will talk to you, except the one in the de'Arnise stronghold. There are two other types of Yuan-ti, besides the regular ones. Elite Yuan-ti and Yuan-ti who cast spells (forgot exact name) Normal
Both normal Yuan-ti and Elite Yuan-ti are fairly easy, and shouldn't be much of a problem even for low level players. A fireball or two, maybe an horrid wilting spell, should take them out pretty quick. The worst thing a Yuan-ti mage can do is cast chaos, which they tend to do quite a bit. Have any available mage cast breach and then have your fighters swoop in.

Yuan-ti=green. Elite Yuan-ti=redish brown. Mage Yuan-ti= Yellow with a bit of red.

Core Rulebook III description:
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The yuan-ti are devout worshipers of evil. They also hold all reptiles in high esteem. The center of yuan-ti is the temple, and their rituals  often involve bloody sacrifices. They tend toward isolated, old ruins but have been known to build even underneath human cities. Yuan-ti are always secretive about the locations of a city or temple. Their architecture favors circles, with ramps and poles replacing stairs. The abominations rule over the yuan-ti and are the temple leaders, with the high priest (always human-headed) above all. Purebloods take care of all outside negotiations, always pretending to be human. The chief deity of the yuan-ti is Merrshaulk, who prompted and directed the formation of the line.


Dragons 9/12/04

Dragons come in a good variety of shapes and colors (all about the same size in the game) There is a Silver, Red, Blue, Shadow, and Black dragon. There are also two others that I can't think of, Abazigal's son, and the one you may have to fight in Hell. Besides just using their tails and claws to attack with, they also have there own special powers. Shadow dragons have deadly level draining, as well as acid breath, Red dragons use their fire breath, Blue dragons use spells and electric attacks, and Black dragons use web. Usually people tend to not fight the silver dragon that you encounter in the game, so I won't list any other of its powers.

Many people think of dragon battles as the toughest fights in the game. Other people say they are a pushover. Well, I'm the one of the people who say they are pushovers. That is, if you know what you're doing.

I've been told that Step #3 in the battle tips section works quite well, but I have another easier alternative. All you need is a mage who can deplete the dragon's magic resistance, a lightning wand with at least 6 charges in it, and maybe a few magic missles available. First off, as soon as you see the dragon, get its magic resistance off, if you didn't do this everything else I say will become null and void. Then get your wand at the ready. When you put the cursor over the dragon you should see a little number under it. Slowly click this over and over and see the number get bigger (or smaller.. I can't quite remember) this creates multiple charges. Then let it rip and see around 40 damage get ripped from the dragon 
Keep doing this, and maybe cast a few magic missles, and things should fly by. I've tried this with every dragon and it works great!



Liches 4/18/04

Liches are some of the hardest magical creatures in FR. Some may be a bit easy, while some (like Kangaxx) will just plain scare the hell outta you!
When I first tried to figure out a technique to kill liches, I thought of the spell breach, which dispells all weapon protections. I tried this over and over, baffled as to why it didn't effect them whatsoever. Then Kish thoughtfully shed some light on the matter.


Quote from: Kish on April 14, 2004, 09:43:58 PM
Liches are immune to spells of levels 1-5.

They're also immune to unenchanted weapons.



Thanks Kish

You will have to use a higher level spell, which I'm currently looking into. I would say use Spell Strike, but that is a 9th level spell, and who wants to wait till then?


Umber Hulks 4/18/04

Umber hulks look like giant, green, beetle/dog like creatures. They are easy enough to kill, but their troublesome, eye-gazing confusion is what really can give you a headache.

One way to avoid this is to have a cleric cast "Chaotic Commands" which makes users immune to spells such as confusion, chaos, etc. This is really more trouble then its worth, so what I do is send in my weakest character (mage or thief) and all the Umber Hulks pelt him with confusion. It takes awhile to recharge this ability, so when all the hulks have done there business send in all the other characters to attack. If the confusion on that one person has not weared off, either wait, or cast "dispel magic"

Kish had this to say:


Quote from: Kish on April 18, 2004, 05:22:07 PM
Umber Hulks rarely make their saving throws against Chromatic Orb, and they have few enough hit dice to die if hit by a Cloudkill or Death Spell.



More later..



Tips before/during battles:

1. Haste is your best friend. Haste improves the speed of your attacks, tearing your enemies apart much faster then usual.

2. Remove fear is also a "Resist fear" spell. Casting this in fights can be helpful if your party members have low morale or your enemy cast spells such as "Cloak of Fear" or "Horror"

3. Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting is a very effect spell against almost any creature. Just make sure your opponent doesn't have much magic resistance or spell protections on him.

4. Sunray is an excellent spell to use against the undead. I've learned it's most effective against Vampires, skeletons, and almost every types of shades. I'm told False Dawn is good too, but I've never gotten it to work  (Am I feeling deja vu?)

5. More later...
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Lord Doomhammer on May 06, 2004, 07:02:58 PM
Hmm...?
I always thought the best way to beat Liches were protection from undead scrolls
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Ghreyfain on May 07, 2004, 02:47:22 PM
Well, there's only two of those in the entire game, as I recall.  Or is that protection from magic?  I do know that protection from undead is pretty rare.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Caedwyr on May 08, 2004, 12:11:08 AM
Every temple in Athalatka has 2 protection from undead scrolls, plus Ribald and lady yuth both sell them.  The protection from magic is the rare ones.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Lord Doomhammer on May 08, 2004, 01:46:59 AM
Yeah, Protection from undead scrolls aren't rare, easily enough of em' to take out most if not all the liches in the game. They let me take out Kangaxx at low levels.

.....Of course there is the problem of finding weapons powerfull enough to actualy hurt him that early on.  :)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: discharger12 on May 08, 2004, 09:38:05 AM
I think Magic Protection scrolls are really hard to find. Of course, with two fighters wielding +5 weapons and magic scrolls on, Kangaxx is pie :)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Userunfriendly on May 10, 2004, 10:48:11 PM
MY first post...yay!!!

thanks jester about mentioning g deathblow...

sunfire and ice storm (as well as dragon breath and firestorm) all ignore magic resistance, but can be saved for reduced damage...now stuff like comet, and bigby grasping fist ("must...restrain...fist...of...bigby!!! not quite the same effect... :( )  cannot be saved against, but can be resisted. 

best way to kill undead, fire based spells, like inc cloud (I've interrupted lich spellcasting via script with inc cloud) firestorm, and sunfire...but demons are immune to fire, i find skull trap to be enourmously useful against demons...

here's a nasty evil trick...load up a spell sequencer with mirror image, skull trap and skull trap...cast it on YOURSELF...the mirror image will protect you from your own skull trap...

for killing liches, use a spell sequenced remove magic, or inquisitor dispell with a melee character...you don't need spellstrike, or any of that stuff, just remove combat protections, stoneskin and protection from magic weapons, and bash it to death...using magic against melee enemies and melee against magical spellcasters is the way to go... :P
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Userunfriendly on May 10, 2004, 10:49:55 PM
I think Magic Protection scrolls are really hard to find. Of course, with two fighters wielding +5 weapons and magic scrolls on, Kangaxx is pie :)

even funnier is casting protection from magic scroll on kangaxx... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: arithar on May 10, 2004, 11:03:02 PM
A great trick I just found is using a spell contigency/trigger. You use one and store 3 Lower Magic Resistances, then rest. All those are cast instantaneously on the target.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Userunfriendly on May 11, 2004, 12:22:09 AM
A great trick I just found is using a spell contigency/trigger. You use one and store 3 Lower Magic Resistances, then rest. All those are cast instantaneously on the target.

2 lower resists, and a malison...

load up a triple abi dahzim's in the chain contingency...

try this with a tob aerie...

breach, malison, doom...chain 3 implosions...

implosions ignore magic resistance too... :o :o :o

ok, the major hang up many beginning, heck, even experienced sorcerors/mages have is that you NEED spell strike, khelbens warding whip, pierce shield...

nope!!! 

only if you install tactics mod....

non-tactics, you only need breach, remove magic and dispell (for confused charmed members of your own party) 

only with tactics mod will smarmy liches and smarter mages use the dreaded protection from magic weapons, protection from energy, spell immunity divination, spell immunity abjuration and improved invisibility combo...

unmodded game, you breach them, or remove magic them (use spell sequencer, dispell/remove magic despite being a 3rd level spell WORKS on liches) and have your fighters bash them with a big sword...

works every time...

tactics mod, you need a spell that can take down spell immunity, then you can remove magic them, or dispell them...specifically, the spell immunity abjuration...(which protects them from remove/dispell magic)

i personally use pierce shield, which can target liches that are improved invisible in a chain contingency...

actually you really don't need all this junk...

just buy azuredge...most liches will put up spell immunity, protection from energy, and other magical protections FIRST...a improved hasted fighter will usually be able to get enough hits in to blast them with azuredge's power, and voila!!! 

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: lennon on May 11, 2004, 03:28:37 AM
A previous usefull attempt to create a "How to deal with..." is at http://mysticsyn.tripod.com/Monsters.htm , I not suggesting that its the best or the last word, but you may like to check it out for ideas on what to do next.

Once what you have hits a critical mass, maybe you could write a personal tutorial, or put it up as read-only web resource, here or some where else.
Title: Re: How to kill your monster and helpful tips 4/18/04
Post by: Userunfriendly on May 11, 2004, 06:29:58 AM
A previous usefull attempt to create a "How to deal with..." is at http://mysticsyn.tripod.com/Monsters.htm , I not suggesting that its the best or the last word, but you may like to check it out for ideas on what to do next.

Once what you have hits a critical mass, maybe you could write a personal tutorial, or put it up as read-only web resource, here or some where else.

i did...

working on version 2, with extra cheese, and many many grammer corrections...

 :) ;) :D ;D ::) :P :-*

http://members.chello.nl/~j.vanthull/BG2SR/Stuff/Cheese.htm