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Miscellany, Inc. => Mod Discussion and Announcements => Topic started by: icelus on December 12, 2004, 01:13:23 PM
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One of the most common questions that arises on forums all across the community is "what order should I install these mods?"
Well, hopefully this thread will clear things up once and for all. :)
INSTALL ORDER FOR:
[li]Baldur's Gate (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236894#msg236894)[/li]
[li]Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236895#msg236895)[/li]
[li]Baldur's Gate: The Original Saga (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236895#msg236896)[/li]
[li]BG1Tutu (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236898#msg236898)[/li]
[li]Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236898#msg236901)[/li]
[li]Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236902#msg236902)[/li]
[li]Icewind Dale (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236904#msg236904)[/li]
[li]Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236904#msg236905)[/li]
[li]Icewind Dale: Trials of the Luremaster (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236904#msg236906)[/li]
[li]Icewind Dale II (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236904#msg236907)[/li]
[li]Planescape: Torment (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17556.msg236908#msg236908)[/li]
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR BALDUR'S GATE
1.) Baldur's Gate
2.) Official Bioware Patch for BG
3.) Baldurdash Fixpack for BG*
4.) Dudleyville Fixes for BG (do NOT install if you plan to use BG1Tutu!)*
5.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
6.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
7.) IAP/SFX mods
8.) WeiDU mods²
* - Optional
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR BALDUR'S GATE: TALES OF THE SWORD COAST
1.) Baldur's Gate
2.) Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast
3.) Official Bioware Patch for TotSC
4.) Baldurdash Fixpacks for BG/TotSC*
5.) Dudleyville Fixes for BG/TotSC (do NOT install if you plan to use BG1Tutu!)*
6.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
7.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
8.) IAP/SFX mods
9.) WeiDU mods²
* - Optional
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR BALDUR'S GATE: THE ORIGINAL SAGA
1.) Baldur's Gate: The Original Saga
2.) Baldurdash Fixpacks for BG/TotSC*
3.) Dudleyville Fixes for BG/TotSC (do NOT install if you plan to use BG1Tutu!)*
4.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
5.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
6.) IAP/SFX mods
7.) WeiDU mods²
* - Optional
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR BG1TUTU
1.) Follow the installation instructions *EXACTLY* as stated here: http://mods.pocketplane.net/bg1tutu/BG1Tutu_Readme.htm#_Toc51424805
2.) BG1Tutu Fixpack
3.) WeiDU mods¹²³
¹ - Because of the nature of BG1Tutu, do not install any mods *after conversion* that overwrite the dialog.tlk file
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
³ - Note that the following mods should be installed last or as close as possible to last:
- Ashes of Embers
- Cleric Remix
- BG1Tutu Tweak Pack
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR BALDUR'S GATE II: SHADOWS OF AMN
1.) Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
2.) Official Bioware Patch for SoA
3.) Baldurdash Fixpacks for SoA OR Sorcerer's Place Fixpacks*
4.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
5.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods (Only one dialog.tlk-overwriting mod can be installed. See the Big Picture install guide (http://forums.spellholdstudios.net/index.php?showtopic=10924) for step-by-step instructions)
**OR** Total Conversions (no other mods should be installed after TC's)¹
6.) IAP/SFX mods
7.) WeiDU Mods²³†
* - Optional
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
³ - Note that the following mods should be installed last or as close as possible to last:
- Ashes of Embers
- Cleric Remix
- Sorcerer's Place Collection
- BG2 Refinements
- G3 Tweak Pack
- Virtue
- Ashes of Embers
† - To ensure that all NPC interactions are implemented properly, install Solaufein, then Kelsey, and then Keto. Similarly, install the Crossmod Banter Pack after *all* NPC mods have been installed
For more personal recommendations on what mods to install, check this thread (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17153.0).
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR BALDUR'S GATE II: THRONE OF BHAAL
1.) Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
2.) Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal
3.) Official Bioware Patch for ToB
4.) Baldurdash Fixpacks for ToB
5.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
6.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods (Only one dialog.tlk-overwriting mod can be installed. See the Big Picture install guide (http://forums.spellholdstudios.net/index.php?showtopic=10924) for step-by-step instructions)
**OR** Total Conversions (no other mods should be installed after TC's)¹
7.) IAP/SFX mods
8.) WeiDU Mods²³†‡
* - Optional
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
³ - Note that the following mods should be installed last or as close as possible to last:
- Ashes of Embers
- Cleric Remix
- Sorcerer's Place Collection
- BG2 Refinements
- G3 Tweak Pack
- Virtue
- Ashes of Embers
† - To ensure that all NPC interactions are implemented properly, install WeiDU-Ascencion, then Solaufein, Kelsey, and finally Keto. Similarly, install the Crossmod Banter Pack after *all* NPC mods have been installed
‡ - WeiDU-Ascension, which should probably be installed near the top in the mod order, must be installed before Redemption or The Longer Road. Classic Ascension is obsolete and should not be installed.
For more personal recommendations on what mods to install, check this thread (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17153.0).
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR ICEWIND DALE
1.) Icewind Dale
2.) Official Interplay Patch for IWD
3.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
4.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
5.) IAP/SFX mods
6.) WeiDU mods²
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR ICEWIND DALE: HEART OF WINTER
1.) Icewind Dale
2.) Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter
3.) Official Interplay Patch for HoW
4.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
5.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
6.) IAP/SFX mods
7.) WeiDU mods²
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR ICEWIND DALE: TRIALS OF THE LUREMASTER
1.) Icewind Dale
2.) Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter
3.) Icewind Dale: Trials of the Luremaster
4.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
5.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
6.) IAP/SFX mods
7.) WeiDU mods²
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR ICEWIND DALE II
1.) Icewind Dale II
2.) Official Interplay Patch for IWD2
3.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
4.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
5.) IAP/SFX mods
6.) WeiDU mods²
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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INSTALLATION ORDER FOR PLANESCAPE: TORMENT
1.) Planescape: Torment
2.) Official Interplay patch for PS:T
3.) Planescape: Torment Fix Pack*
4.) Restoration Pack*
5.) Create a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=17555.0)
6.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods¹
7.) IAP/SFX mods
8.) WeiDU mods²
* - Optional
¹ - Note that only one of these mods can be installed a time
² - While generally WeiDU-based mods can be installed in any order, it is wisest to install older mods first, and mods that are often updated near the end
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In the order of install.. step seven says "IAP/SFX mods"
What or Which are IAP/SFX mods?
I know.. I know.. my lack of mod knowledge is astounding.. :D
Thanks
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In the order of install.. step seven says "IAP/SFX mods"
What or Which are IAP/SFX mods?
I know.. I know.. my lack of mod knowledge is astounding.. :D
Thanks
If you don't know what are they, rejoyce, for ignorance is a gift ofter envied by the knowlegeable :)
(in practice, you shouldn't meet them; it's those mods which don't pull up a DOS console asking you to choose a language and/or some components)
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::chuckles::
I take that to mean.. What I don't know about I can't miss?
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::chuckles::
I take that to mean.. What I don't know about I can't miss?
No, I mean that tlk overriding / IAP / SFX-IAP mods have lots of compatibility problems and can't be uninstalled easily. The quality tends also to be smaller than your average WeiDU mod (overpowered, cheesy, no dialogue, full of bugs, etc.), and very often the author disappeared and it's difficult to get assistance if you face problems with them.
While WeiDU mods can suffer from the same problems, if they are done half decently (IE all of them, except a couple like TS, CtB, TDD or SoS) they won't suffer from the compatibility problems and are easily uninstallable, something that non WeiDU mod cannot simply achieve.
Usually the mod readme will state wether it's a WeiDU mod or not.
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Makes me glad I didn't try and install mods before now.. Played thought everywhich way I could and let Minsc sleep the past couple years while the new mods came about..
Thanks again
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If I don't install Dungeon Be Gone when I do my clean install .. but later wish I had and install it will this cause a problem..
How important exactly is the order of Weidu install mods
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If I don't install Dungeon Be Gone when I do my clean install .. but later wish I had and install it will this cause a problem..
How important exactly is the order of Weidu install mods
Unless the mod author was very, very, very idiotic, you can relatively safely install the mods also in a non suggested order, without creating any major bugs; installing the mods in the suggested order simply makes sure that you are going to get the most out of them (EG a mod which makes all items identified should be installed after a mod that adds new items), however DBG should be enough order-irrelevant :)
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What you just said made the most sense of mod installs I have heard yet.. makes choosing what to install where a bit easier..
Thank you so much..
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OK, to clarify a bit: stick to the suggested order as long as you can. In particular, Solaufein, then Kelsey, then Keto, Crossmod BanterPack after all NPC mods, and as-late-as-possible mods at the end; my suggested order for 'late' mods would be: Ashes of Embers, D0Tweak, Divine Remix, G3Tweaks, Virtue, Refinements, Return to Windspear (this one depending on actual availability), TB#Tweaks (although different modders would suggest a different order, EG to put their mod at the end of the stack, this combination has worked great for me).
However, when fine-tuning (EG you want to add a mod), you can relatively safely install it on top of the stack without major fears.
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In the order of install.. step seven says "IAP/SFX mods"
What or Which are IAP/SFX mods?
I didn't think any of these existed any more. They saw the light and have been updated with Weidu I thought.
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U don't think any of this exist any more. They saw the light and have been updated with Weidu I thought.
One would also think, applying logic thought, that M$ Windows was updated with Linux, but the world is such an inperfect place :(
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6.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods (Only one dialog.tlk-overwriting mod can be installed. See the Big Picture install guide for step-by-step instructions)
What would a dialog.tlk-overwriting mod be?
I am thinking that means the NPC mods but then there are more than one availible that work together so that doesn't make sense..
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6.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods (Only one dialog.tlk-overwriting mod can be installed. See the Big Picture install guide for step-by-step instructions)
What would a dialog.tlk-overwriting mod be?
I am thinking that means the NPC mods but then there are more than one availible that work together so that doesn't make sense..
Similarly to the IAP/SFXIAP mods, you should just hope you won't find them :)
And, if you ignore Nalia Romance (the one that is ready, not the one that JCompton is developing here), and the 'TBG large ones' (TDD, SoS, TS, CtB, NeJ, BGT...) you should have no problems.
Most of those are also being converted to WeiDU (now, resurrecting TDD is the most stupid thing a modder can do, but some people like that shit :( )
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What would you advise for Baldurdash-Weidu? Should I install it first, or as close to the end as possible?
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Right after the official patches sounds about right.
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What would you advise for Baldurdash-Weidu? Should I install it first, or as close to the end as possible?
Actually, if you're willing, you might contact CamDawg and see about helping test the BG2 Fixpack which has been worked on by many modders. It includes not only a WeiDU'd Baldurdash, but fixes many, many other bugs, as well. It just hasn't had an "official" release yet.
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I am also using WeiDuzed BD's by King Diamond and it's funny because in the SPs Forum King Diamond himself advises to install it at the very end while others just after the official patches. I went against the same author's opinion and I installed it right after the official patch! ;)
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Thank's for the info
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I know you guys are going to yell at me for my question about installation orders and all, but.....
Firstly, I'm not new to BG series, or using mods. But what I have always been confused with is, exactly what order you are meant to install things. I was looking my last night, and went through about 3 or 4 different forums, and they all had different mod install orders, which just made me more and more confused, and the mods I want to really install, either no one likes them or no one combines them with anything else *sigh*
I've looked at the BG2 install order post in here, and also looked at within that post where it points to another forum site I believe, if you install the Big Picture, but this is where I get confused the most, cos neither one covers a huge amount of mods on here, or off site. I guess possibly part of what confuses me, is in reply number 6, by Icelus in this thread, I can follow up to the end of step 5, and then if I applied the mod application of the Big Picture Install Guide, then again I get stuck, because if I want to install any npc's, kits or anything else, I have no idea whether they should be before, or after or what not. I suppose I don't know what IAP/SFX mods actually cover, and that probably sounds really bad :(
Anyway, I'm digressing like I always seem to do in a forum post, sorry guys. But like I said each forum seems to have a different idea of what order to install mods in, and the only reason I've never learnt, is until recently, I've never had the hdd space to be able to download, save, then burn all the mod packs, that I've wanted.
Anyway, what I would really like to install, because I do get tired of seeming to do certain pc classes over and over, cos I tend not to change my party formation much, and can never play an evil party.
I'd basically like to have the following mods, mostly listed on the pocket plane list, whether they be off site or not:
- The majority of all the npc's for some new variation;
- The majority of kits, that are compatible with each other, some I wouldn't bother with because I do think some are still very broken;
- A lot more new quests, and the like, so I'm guessing putting a whole host of Big Picture mods in but also Weidu mods.
I don't want any total or partial conversion mods though or obviously non-english mods or macintosh mods.
I'd like a challenge, but I don't want it to become insanely tough. But I do seem to get through BG2 and ToB too easily last time, with varying tactics depending on my kit, because I know all the quests so well.
So any thoughts or advice on how much I can install from http://www.pocketplane.net/modlist/index.php?ax=list&cat_id=12 here and that it won't crash and be all compatible, I don't know.
I'm sorry if I'm not too clear on what I want or what my question is :( I just want I guess a ton more content, but I don't want a suggestion for a newbie mod user either though of what to install, if that makes sense. I'd rather know what to install for an expert/veteran player, cos I know there is no way I'd get confused with I dunno 30-40 mods installed, or something like that. I dunno if I'd instal that many, but obviously there is that many at least.
I read somewhere there is a limit on npc kits, and that TDD ends up filling them all up, bu there is a removal kit mod, but where does that take you back to ? So I'm guessing I'm also asking from the BG2 Kit Mods list on this site, how many of them for a start could I install at the same time, along with any kits that would be in Weidu mods, as well as possibly any kits that are in BP series ?
Okay, I think that's it. I've probably made no sense and not been clear on anything I asked. I'm just extremely frustrated and confused by all the mods, and like I said every forum seems to have a different thought on what to install, especially the order to install weidu mods, but not many people seem to install BP or any dialog.tlk changing mods and Weidu at the same time.
Anyway, thanks for any thoughts, or suggestions, suggesting to install:
BG2 -> Patches ->Kits -> NPCs -> etc, something like that in that order is probably what I really need, which I guess I need some of it spelled out. But I dunno.
Sorry guys ???
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Sorry
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I've tried doing something close to this install, but when i try to head to certain city areas in SOA after getting out of irenicus' dungeon, BG2 either freezes up before the area loads (temple), or slows down a few seconds after getting there (docks), then freezes up. (by freeze, i mean the game window closes and i get a black rectangle on about half 2/3 of my desktop - bg2 is still in my taskbar, but it it won't re-open. interestingly, task manager doesn't show any huge resource allocation for bg2 when this happens.) in any case, maybe i have a mod order problem, so here's what i want to install and the install order i've come up with from reading the boards:
soa (full install)
tob
official tob patch
bg2 fixpack
1pp
improved horns of valhalla
nalia mod (makes her a thief)
a mod for the orderly
domains of dread
item upgrade
pnp celestials
ascension
turnabout
NPC mods (soulafein, valen, kelsey, in that order so far)
beyond the law
D0 quest pack
banter packs
tactics
deeper shadows of amn (the components not included in tactics)
improved battles
unfinished business
g3 anniversary
improved asylum
oversight
improved thief stronghold
planar sphere mod
bg2 tweak pack
D0 tweak pack
divine remix
super firkraag
rogue rebalancing
i had some warnings with tactics (city and wilderness encounters, i think), some warnings with the deeper soa components i installed, some errors with wizard spell immunities or something in the improved sendai portion of oversight, a bunch of errors with the thief stronghold, and some warnings with the thief stronghold.
in cases where the readme's or the mod boards reported conflicts, i made sure to avoid those cross-mod components or use the work-arounds provided. this computer ran bg2 fine last year, though it only had about half the mods that i'm trying here.
does my mod order look right? are those warnings or errors deal killers? i can reinstall the problem mods to get specific error or warning text if that will help.
thanks in advance.
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Well in the absence of the experienced modder posters...looks like a couple of years since they have visited this forum...just uninstall them all and re-install one by one until you find which one is killing the game. It's a pain in the ass, but that's what I'm having to do right now with my 39 mods installed. Good luck, and wish me the same...and patience.
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Well in the absence of the experienced modder posters...looks like a couple of years since they have visited this forum...
Rather, the general advice is: recommended mods are here (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php/topic,17153.0.html), modlist is here (http://modlist.pocketplane.net). If you have a problem, you are welcome to post it in a separate thread, but it is very likely that if you install horrible stuff, or lots of horrible stuff, or just lots and lots of stuff that is neither available at PPG nor at G3, no one help you.
Having a clean backup (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php/topic,17555.0.html) at hand and asking around _before_ installing mods also helps.
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Hello,
Here is the order that I am planning, any idea if it will have any conflicts or loss of content / issues?
1. BG2: SOA
2. BG2: TOB
3. BG2: TOB Last (nonbeta) official patch
4. BG2 FixPack v4 (no beta packs):
http://www.gibberlings3.net/readmes/readme-bg2fixpack.html (http://www.gibberlings3.net/readmes/readme-bg2fixpack.html)
5. BG2: Ascension (Weidu):
http://weidu.org/ascension/Ascension-WeiDU.txt (http://weidu.org/ascension/Ascension-WeiDU.txt)
6. Banter Pack v6 (Wiedu):
http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php/topic,15847.0.html (http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php/topic,15847.0.html)
7. Flirt Pack (Weidu):
http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=blogcategory&id=104&Itemid=81 (http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=blogcategory&id=104&Itemid=81)
This look good? Also, if I were to install the valen NPC mod or unfinished business, where would it fall in?
Thanks!
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It looks good. If you would like to install other mods, I advise you to do it after number 6, because for safety's sake, it is best to install Flirt Packs after as many mods as possible.
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Hello,
It may be worth noting that the BG2 FixPack beta items work just fine under Mac OS X 10.4.10 on a PPC G4 Mac. That's my experience so far, at least :)
Happy gaming,
Eric
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Hi, I installed True Grandmastery (ease of use mod) by mistake. Now if I unistall it will it effect my allready started games? Thank you in advance.
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I just want to ask if this installation order seems to be ok:
1. Kelsey
2. Tsujatha
3. Yasraena
4. Kivan
5. Xan
6. Beyond the law
7. Quest Pack
8. Cross Mod Banter Pack
9. UB
10. Longer Road
11. NPC flirt pack
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Likely, yes, but since Edwin Romance overwrites things seriously with no regard for compatibility, I wouldn't put it past the Longer Road, coded by the same team, to do the same. So, I'd put the Longer Road in the beginning.
Also, from my experience, I would heavily recommend you against installing more NPC mods than you're planning to use in the next game: too many audio files and long scripts will decrease the performance. (I wouldn't comment if you were installing just five - Irenicus doesn't count, since Kivan may leave/Xan may die in SoA - but seven full SoA NPCs is obviously more than is required for the party).
But since each specific installation order is, well, specific, it's probably best discussed in a separate topic.
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Hello BG fans and adventures))
I'm just trying to understand, what order..
I have some mods and want to install them. Check my order please:
BG TOB 26498
01. Baldurdash 164 weidu
02. Ascension-WeiDU-v1.4.23
03. Redemption-v1.2
04. BanterPacksV6
05. Desecration of Souls 2.60
06. ThOghma-v1 mini quest(rus)full (Au service d'Oghma)
06. ShardsOfIce-v2
07. Nalia de'Arnise Romance
08. Weimer-ItemUpgrade-v35
09. Weimer-Spell50-v6
10. Weimer-Underrep-v5
11. Weimer-Valen-v45
12. Weimer-SolaufeinMod-v103
13. KelseyTOBV22
14. Weimer-TacticsMod-v23
15. UnfinishedBusiness-v16
Am I right?
P.s. I have a PLANAR Sphere Mode. But I'm affraid that this mod would be imcompatible with Weimer-Spell50-v6, 'cause of many spells..
Am I right?
Thnak u))
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Hey, welcome to PPG.
If you are going to play Kelsey throughout the entire game, SoA+ToB, you have to download Kelsey-SoA, as well as Kelsey-ToB. Also, if you are going to have Kelsey, Solaufein and Valen in the group at the same time, your party is going to be pretty silent, since these three aren't bantering with each other.
(And, yes, Xan is cool, has four additional quests, a flaming sword, an alternative fighter/mage, mage, wild mage or sorcerer class, and so on... :) )
I think it's going to work, but
I have a PLANAR Sphere Mode
Oh, the one where you kill Ao? :) You're aware it's one of the buggiest mods in existence (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?showtopic=29129), right? I'm not sure about Desecration of Souls 2.60 and ThOghma-v1 mini quest(rus)full (Au service d'Oghma), either, mind - I'd recommend Quest Pack instead.
But it's your call - in any case, have fun playing.
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Hey, welcome to PPG.
(And, yes, Xan is cool, has four additional quests, a flaming sword, an alternative fighter/mage, mage, wild mage or sorcerer class, and so on... :) )
I think it's going to work, but
I have a PLANAR Sphere Mode
Oh, the one where you kill Ao? :) You're aware it's one of the buggiest mods in existence (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?showtopic=29129), right? I'm not sure about Desecration of Souls 2.60 and ThOghma-v1 mini quest(rus)full (Au service d'Oghma), either, mind - I'd recommend Quest Pack instead.
O..Planar Spere is still has a lot of bugs...hm...
Xan - it's your mod, yes? Of course, download. I like mini-mods that brings maximum fun and no bugs))
I hope that DoS 2.60 and Oghma are ok.
But ...Quest Pack add improvment...Is this compatible with tactics?
p.s. After Unfinished Business I want to install Rogue Rebalancing
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You should head to Rogue Rebalancing forum and read the compatibility thread.
Quest Pack should work with Tactics, yes.
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Kulyok I can't send you a personal messadge on this forum :-[
Please, check your "PM" on "Aerie". Need your help
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You shall be able to send private messages on Pocket Plane Forums, when your post count will go above 5.
Sure, I'll read your PM, but in the meantime, please, read on why asking for modding support via PM is bad (http://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?showtopic=10502).
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Just checking again... can you guys tell me if this installation order sounds ok?
1. BG2: SoA & ToB
2. ToB latest patch
3. Kelsey
4. Tsujatha
5. Yasraena
6. Xan
7. Quest Pack
8. Cross Mod Banter Pack
9. Unfinished Business
10. NPC Flirt Pack
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Yes, it looks correct.
However: Tsujatha(especially) and Yasraena don't unpack their audio correctly, so you got to install them first, just after the patch.
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Oh, didn't know that... thanx for that! I will install Tsujatha and Yas first then :)
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I was wondering if there was an up-to-date version of this "Installation Order" for a clean BG2-ToB install?
The version on this thread still lists the Baldurdash & Dudleyville fixes, which I've discovered are now out-of-date... and replaced by the G3 fixpack. However, there are tons of them... and I don't know where things like the G3 Tweak Pack, older Weidu mods, etc. should be installed in relation to other mods. After searching through several IE forums (BioWare, G3, Spellhold Studios), the vast majority of the threads seem to be concerned with mega-installs with automatic install files and involving combined BG/BGII games (using various Tutu mods).
I'd like to be able to pick and choose what to install manually. Unfortunately, I am a dial-up victim (not by choice, of course), so some of these mods will take forever to DL.
Also, while I wouldn't necessarily mind replaying BG (its been years), I had never gotten around to playing BGII, so I had intended to play it by itself first.
Years ago, I played BG1-ToSC with a bunch of mods without any problems using Icelus' excellent list over at the BioWare forums here (http://forums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?forum=106&topic=349949). The current entry over there directs gamers to the comprehensive mod list on this site (which is great, incidentally!)... so I assumed that this would be the place to ask. ;D
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Steve
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For starters, the Fixpack is for BG2 only. Dudleyfixes are for BG1.
Perhaps if you mentioned what mods you're interested in, it would be easier to suggest an install order.
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I usually play BG2 with official patch only, without any fixes(though I use "more interjections" and "all dialogue pauses game" from G3 Tweaks). It works.
As for BG1, I use EasyTutu(not the latest version, though) - it already incorporates most bugfixes.
It depends on what you like. Older Weidu mods, like Ascension or Edwin Romance, should be installed first. G3 Tweaks already incorporate Ease-Of-Use. Before installing mods, it's best to backup your override folder and dialog.tlk.
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I was wondering if there was an up-to-date version of this "Installation Order" for a clean BG2-ToB install?
Well, I made a list for this and to counter the stutter problems: 0. Always patch the game, start a new game and exit after the game has auto-saves itself(so you have to make a char or choose a pre-made one), before you do any moding, and you might as well make a safe backup from the important files: data and override folders, baldur.exe, BGMain.exe, dialog.tlk and CHITIN.key .
1. Put the ambient sounds off from the BGConfic.exe, as some of the areas might have no ambient sounds and so the game tries to start them many time continuously, and so looses processing power.
2. Don't mess with the game configurations so the speed adjustment percentages stay on "normal" ratings even if you have very high end machine, as the game has own it's internal fps counter, it sometimes tries to correct the fps on it's own by lowering graphs etc. Also the games frame rate should be set to about 30, as that's the default.
3. I wouldn't recommend to install any of the speaking item mods, as they run their scripts and fire their comments everywhere, and that's bad for the fps(frames/second count).
4. Delete the old files from the Cache folder time to time.
5. Inventory management(no stacks that have more than about 200 items, in a bag, arrows etc.), -might help.
6. Trying to avoid too many effects on a character(about 20 is fine, 200 is too many, and 20 000 is way way too many...)
7. De-fragmenting your hard drive might also help... as you don't have to go find the data in the pieces. (hmm, there is a joke in there, hih)
8. Install the mods in correct order, and make sure you started from a clean install, so there is no leftovers from old mods, by deleting the old mod files, the data and override folders(don't go and overwrite them), helpful links for for Tutu (http://"http://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?s=de17918c35d72177e8fb1dfa1c20c037&showtopic=8122") and BGT (http://"http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?autocom=downloads&showcat=72")(the .pdf files) -based Megamods.
9. It might be a good idea to biff your override folder, but do that knowing that you generally can't change the game much after. Or use the End_biff from here (http://"http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?autocom=downloads&showfile=487"), which you can actually un-install, if you uninstall it by hand, but be careful with it!
I'd like to be able to pick and choose what to install manually.
But you can, the BGT -based megamod thing actually lets you do the deciding what to put in and what to leave out, as the .bat files just install the components if they it can find them...
This still doesn't reduce the dependencies that some mods have, but if you make mod list you are going to use, we'll note what other mods you need.
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Many thanks for all the responses...
For starters, the Fixpack is for BG2 only. Dudleyfixes are for BG1.
Yep... my mistake. Too many patches and bugfixes to keep track of... ;D
In any event, I tried to reinstall the original BG on my current machine (XP Media Center '04) and I can't even get the installer to run. It was the 3-disc "Original Saga" set with ToSC included. I tried to check BioWare's forums, but I can't even seem to get them to load... busy place... :(
I usually play BG2 with official patch only, without any fixes(though I use "more interjections" and "all dialogue pauses game" from G3 Tweaks). It works.
As for BG1, I use EasyTutu(not the latest version, though) - it already incorporates most bugfixes.
It depends on what you like. Older Weidu mods, like Ascension or Edwin Romance, should be installed first. G3 Tweaks already incorporate Ease-Of-Use. Before installing mods, it's best to backup your override folder and dialog.tlk.
I was considering doing that for BG2, considering it was my first run-through... but I like a big challenge, so I thought I'd try to use some of the mods to expand the game world a bit. I like to explore every nook and cranny, so the more of them that there are, the better... Yep, I'm an ambitious bugger... ;D
Unfortunately, it looks like the Tutu deal is out of the question for me at the moment. I guess I'll have to find a workaround for that, in any event... I barely remember the particulars of the story at this point, but I remember enjoying the hell out of it, so I'd like to be able to replay it at some point in the future.
I was wondering if there was an up-to-date version of this "Installation Order" for a clean BG2-ToB install?
Well, I made a list for this and to counter the stutter problems
I did make the backup, as you suggested... but I'm not sure FPS will be much of a problem with my current machine.
I gather that "biffing" has something to do with compiling the overrides into the "data" folder to aid game play speed.
Some of the other terminology is a bit confusing to me, though, to be honest...
BGT (Baldur's Gate Trilogy), for example... I have BG w/ToSC and BG2 w/ToB... so I am not sure what the "trilogy" refers to or what it adds to the game. I checked the SHS forums (I take it they took over the TeamBG mods, BTW?)... and they seem to have a myriad of threads dedicated to megamods, but most refer to "Big Picture" or "Big World"... and many seem to include directions for mods intended for the original game.
The various Tutu installations (EasyTutu, BG1Tutu, etc.) seem to be mainly directed at playing the original BG on the BG2 platform, which sounds very cool... but not really what I had in mind... at least not in this run-through.
I must confess that to a newbie like me, the amount of information out there is a bit overwhelming and much of it appears to be geared for people who create mods as much as play them. That's what made the original lists so appealing to a rookie like me... you just scan through the list, following the mods that looked interesting and grabbing the ones you wanted to include, installing as you go.
It appears that the new compiled list still allows you to do that... but it leaves you without that easy resource to determine the proper order of install. Perhaps I can use the BGT .bat file as a guidebook to get the right order. I guess I was just hoping to find an ordinary list to make life easier.
I think I just need a copy of "BG2 Mods for Dummies"... ;)
I'd like to be able to pick and choose what to install manually.
But you can, the BGT -based megamod thing actually lets you do the deciding what to put in and what to leave out, as the .bat files just install the components if they it can find them...
This still doesn't reduce the dependencies that some mods have, but if you make mod list you are going to use, we'll note what other mods you need.
I am in the process of reading through the various sites and their mods, trying to find ones that look entertaining. Mainly, I enjoy the ones that add new areas and quests, so it appears that there are quite a few that fit the bill.
There really are some awesome-looking toys out there... but there are so many threads talking about incompatibilities and conflicts, I'm worried about my first run-through being marred by a crash, right before the big finale. Really, I just wanted to add some extra areas and perhaps an extra NPC or two, but I want the installation to be stable as well.
When I'm done, I planned on running through the Icewind Dale games and NWN... all of which have been sitting here for years, waiting for me to have a chance to run through them. I finally have some time, so I want to make my experiences with the games as fun as possible. So far, "Shadows Over Soubar"... "The Darkest Day"... and "Check The Bodies" look great, but will take me a couple of days to DL.
So, this basic list shapes up like this:
Shadows Over Soubar
The Darkest Day
Check The Bodies
Tower Of Deception
Ascension
Unfinished Business
Xan NPC
Kelsey NPC
Keto NPC
Domains Of Dread
The Bigg Quest Pack
Improved Anvil (not sure of this one yet... I just want the toys!)
The Four
PPG Quest Pack
Oversight
I appreciate your patience!
Thanks!
Steve
P.S. ~ As a side-note, these forums are great resources for modders and the like... it makes me want to take a crack at creating my own mods at some point!
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Many thanks for all the responses...
For starters, the Fixpack is for BG2 only. Dudleyfixes are for BG1.
Yep... my mistake. Too many patches and bugfixes to keep track of... ;D
In any event, I tried to reinstall the original BG on my current machine (XP Media Center '04) and I can't even get the installer to run. It was the 3-disc "Original Saga" set with ToSC included. I tried to check BioWare's forums, but I can't even seem to get them to load... busy place... :(
I usually play BG2 with official patch only, without any fixes(though I use "more interjections" and "all dialogue pauses game" from G3 Tweaks). It works.
As for BG1, I use EasyTutu(not the latest version, though) - it already incorporates most bugfixes.
It depends on what you like. Older Weidu mods, like Ascension or Edwin Romance, should be installed first. G3 Tweaks already incorporate Ease-Of-Use. Before installing mods, it's best to backup your override folder and dialog.tlk.
I was considering doing that for BG2, considering it was my first run-through... but I like a big challenge, so I thought I'd try to use some of the mods to expand the game world a bit. I like to explore every nook and cranny, so the more of them that there are, the better... Yep, I'm an ambitious bugger... ;D
Unfortunately, it looks like the Tutu deal is out of the question for me at the moment. I guess I'll have to find a workaround for that, in any event... I barely remember the particulars of the story at this point, but I remember enjoying the hell out of it, so I'd like to be able to replay it at some point in the future.
I was wondering if there was an up-to-date version of this "Installation Order" for a clean BG2-ToB install?
Well, I made a list for this and to counter the stutter problems
I did make the backup, as you suggested... but I'm not sure FPS will be much of a problem with my current machine.
I gather that "biffing" has something to do with compiling the overrides into the "data" folder to aid game play speed.
Some of the other terminology is a bit confusing to me, though, to be honest...
BGT (Baldur's Gate Trilogy), for example... I have BG w/ToSC and BG2 w/ToB... so I am not sure what the "trilogy" refers to or what it adds to the game. I checked the SHS forums (I take it they took over the TeamBG mods, BTW?)... and they seem to have a myriad of threads dedicated to megamods, but most refer to "Big Picture" or "Big World"... and many seem to include directions for mods intended for the original game.
The various Tutu installations (EasyTutu, BG1Tutu, etc.) seem to be mainly directed at playing the original BG on the BG2 platform, which sounds very cool... but not really what I had in mind... at least not in this run-through.
I must confess that to a newbie like me, the amount of information out there is a bit overwhelming and much of it appears to be geared for people who create mods as much as play them. That's what made the original lists so appealing to a rookie like me... you just scan through the list, following the links for the mods that looked interesting and grabbing the ones you wanted to include, installing as you go.
It appears that the new compiled list still allows you to do that... but it leaves you without that easy resource to determine the proper order of install. Perhaps I can use the BGT .bat file as a guidebook to get the right order. I guess I was just hoping to find an ordinary list to make life easier.
I think I just need a copy of "BG2 Mods for Dummies"... ;)
I'd like to be able to pick and choose what to install manually.
But you can, the BGT -based megamod thing actually lets you do the deciding what to put in and what to leave out, as the .bat files just install the components if they it can find them...
This still doesn't reduce the dependencies that some mods have, but if you make mod list you are going to use, we'll note what other mods you need.
I am in the process of reading through the various sites and their mods, trying to find ones that look entertaining. Mainly, I enjoy the ones that add new areas and quests, so it appears that there are quite a few that fit the bill.
There really are some awesome-looking toys out there... but there are so many threads talking about incompatibilities and conflicts, I'm worried about my first run-through being marred by a crash, right before the big finale. Really, I just wanted to add some extra areas and perhaps an extra NPC or two, but I want the installation to be stable as well.
When I'm done, I planned on running through the Icewind Dale games and NWN... all of which have been sitting here for years, waiting for me to have a chance to run through them. I finally have some time, so I want to make my experiences with the games as fun as possible. So far, "Shadows Over Soubar"... "The Darkest Day"... and "Check The Bodies" look great, but will take me a couple of days to DL.
So, this basic list shapes up like this:
G3 Tweaks (selected)
Shadows Over Soubar
The Darkest Day
Check The Bodies
Tower Of Deception
Tortured Souls
d'Arnise Romance
Ascension
Unfinished Business
Xan NPC
Kelsey NPC
Keto NPC
Domains Of Dread
The Bigg Quest Pack
Improved Anvil (not sure of this one yet... I just want the toys!)
The Four
PPG Quest Pack
Oversight
I appreciate your patience!
Thanks!
Steve
P.S. ~ As a side-note, these forums are great resources for modders and the like... it makes me want to take a crack at creating my own mods at some point!
Please forgive the double-post... I tried to modify my last, and quoted it by mistake.
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A quick side-note... I was finally able to reinstall my original BG using a trick mentioned on the Bioware forums.
It was a video driver issue... uninstalling and reinstalling the driver did the trick. ;D
Steve
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1)I did make the backup, as you suggested... but I'm not sure FPS will be much of a problem with my current machine.
2)I gather that "biffing" has something to do with compiling the overrides into the "data" folder to aid game play speed.
3)BGT (Baldur's Gate Trilogy)
4)BGT - based mega mod
5)Improved Anvil
1) Read that before, wrote that before, also was wrong about it too!!! The game can take 15 Giga bits, it's quite enough to make any computer to crawl.
2) Yes.
3) BGT is a mod that combines all the BG games(Baldur's Gate, Tales of the Sword Coast, Shadows of Amn, and Throne of Bhaal) to a single mod customed game. Link (http://www.spellholdstudios.net/ie/bgt).
4) -was once the BP, now-a-days it's called Big World Project, it's also a community maintained project...
5) Never put this to any other mod... the mod is not meant for that, you can read this from it's own forums, read me and other places.
For you to install most of the highly modified game, you need to follow the Big World Project, have a clear game, install the patch, unpack all of the following mods, and then use the Big World Projects Fixpack, before you install them in the following order... Or let one of the Autoinstall.bats to do it for you...
G3BGII Fixpack
The Darkest Day
Shadows Over Soubar
Check The Bodies
Tortured Souls(it needs to be the TS-BPv6.10, not the latest cause that just F's the while installation)
Ascension
Domains Of Dread
Tower Of Deception
Unfinished Business
d'Arnise Romance
Xan NPC
Kelsey NPC
Keto NPC
The Bigg Quest Pack
PPG Quest Pack
Oversight
G3 Tweaks
You also need the Worldmap Mod from here (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?autocom=downloads&showcat=63).(called Bp-BGT-Worldmap v7.0.a) It's here last... cause you need to install it last.
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As far as I know, you can install
Tower Of Deception
d'Arnise Romance
Unfinished Business
Xan NPC
Kelsey NPC
Keto NPC
The Bigg Quest Pack
PPG Quest Pack
- in any order, but it's best to install Kelsey before Keto, and Keto before Quest Pack(crossmod material).
G3 Tweaks should go after as many mods as possible(not necessarily last, just close to last).
Ascension should go first.
If you want to have banters between Xan, Kelsey and Keto, install Crossmod Banter Pack (http://gibberlings3.net/crossmod). (Banter Pack from PPG is good, too).
Good luck, and have fun playing!
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OK... So I removed "Improved Anvil" & "The Four" (which looks like it requires "Improved Anvil"). No problem there.
A few other questions/comments though...
I DL'd the PDF for the BWP... Wow! There's a ton of info in there.
I noticed that "d'Arnise Romance" was not listed anywhere in the PDF, so I'm assuming it's not safe to install. I also found that "Domains Of Dread" was grayed-out in the list, so it may not be stable. I'm assuming it's probably better to skip that one. "Oversight" and "Never-ending Journeys" were also grayed-out, so I left them out.
The BWP Fixpack Jarno mentioned also isn't listed...
If I should be using the World Map, what about BGT-NPCSound-WeiDU v2, BiG World Textpack v6.01 and BiG World Toolpack v5.4? Do I need those to play BWP?
My tentative order of install right now:
1.1 Clean Install (done)
1.2 Backup (done)
1.2 G3 BGII Fixpack
4.1 The Darkest Day
4.2 Shadows Over Soubar
4.3 Check The Bodies
4.4 Tortured Souls (TS-BPv6.10)
4.6 Ascension
? 5.1 Baldur’s Gate Trilogy – WeiDU BGT-WeiDU v1.06
? 5.3 Restored Prologue Textscreen Music for BG1TuTu and BGT-WeiDU
11.3 Desecration Of Souls (added)
11.7 The Bigg Quest Pack
13.10 Herbs & Potions Add-In (added)
13.11 Improved Horns Of Valhalla (added)
13.27 Food and Herbal Mod v 1.01 (Foodmod) (added)
14.26 Xan NPC
16.7 Banter Pack v9
16.8 IEP Extended Banter v2
19.2 Unfinished Business
20.6 PPG (DingO's) Quest Pack
21.1 Solaufein NPC (added)
21.4 Kelsey NPC
21.6 Keto NPC
22.6 Tower Of Deception
22.7 G3 BGII Tweaks #1
22.15 Crossmod Banter Pack
? 23.3 BGT-WeiDU Tweakpack BGT Tweak v7
23.4 G3 BGII Tweaks #2
24.6 End Biff v2.1 (added)
24.7 BP-BGT-Worldmap v7.0a
I'm excited to play with all this extra content, but also a bit concerned with adding the content if it will make the game crash. It looks as though many of these mods have been around for quite some time and fairly popular, so I'm assuming they are relatively stable and most of the bugs have been worked out. However, if any of these will cause obvious problems, I'd rather remove a few rather than have a rough time playing it through.
Do you all think the installation would be more stable using Tutu, or will it cause other problems? Also, is BGT necessary to play these mods together?
Steve
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Tutu is only for playing through BG1 using the BG2 engine - you won't be able to play BG2 with it. If you're not interested in playing BG1 at this time, you shouldn't worry about Tutu or BGT.
The de'Arnise Romance from PPG is fairly recent, which is why it may not appear on the list.
It looks as though many of these mods have been around for quite some time and fairly popular, so I'm assuming they are relatively stable and most of the bugs have been worked out.
In some cases this is true, in other cases, the authors might no longer be around to fix problems. For your first experience with the game, I'd stay away from all large mods, and most of the small ones, too, unless you hear good great things about them, just so you're not overwhelmed with mod content.
Fixpack, Popular NPCs, the expanded Bioware NPC mods, a Tweak Pack, and possibly minor quest/storyline mods (Quest Pack, Unfinished Business, Ascension, ..) that come recommended are what I'd go with. The BiG World Fixpack (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?autocom=downloads&showfile=521) should apply some needed hotfixes for mods like the Quest Pack and UB if you extract all of your mods to your BG2 folder, run it, and THEN install the mods.
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Thanks for your response, Mike.
Tutu is only for playing through BG1 using the BG2 engine - you won't be able to play BG2 with it. If you're not interested in playing BG1 at this time, you shouldn't worry about Tutu or BGT.
Much appreciated, Mike. I just wanted to be sure... since so many of the threads I've been reading seem to talk about this type of installation.
The de'Arnise Romance from PPG is fairly recent, which is why it may not appear on the list.
Yeah... I can't find it listed in the PDF... or any of the threads at SHS, so I think I'll just skip it for now.
It looks as though many of these mods have been around for quite some time and fairly popular, so I'm assuming they are relatively stable and most of the bugs have been worked out.
In some cases this is true, in other cases, the authors might no longer be around to fix problems. For your first experience with the game, I'd stay away from all large mods, and most of the small ones, too, unless you hear good great things about them, just so you're not overwhelmed with mod content.
As I mentioned above, I really want to make the game world big in this case, as I plan on playing IWD, IWD2 and NWN afterwards (I've never had time previously to play any of them). Since this may be the only time in the next few years I have a bit of time to run through these, I want to make it epic and memorable. I don't mind if it's big and complicated. ;)
Fixpack, Popular NPCs, the expanded Bioware NPC mods, a Tweak Pack, and possibly minor quest/storyline mods (Quest Pack, Unfinished Business, Ascension, ..) that come recommended are what I'd go with. The BiG World Fixpack (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?autocom=downloads&showfile=521) should apply some needed hotfixes for mods like the Quest Pack and UB if you extract all of your mods to your BG2 folder, run it, and THEN install the mods.
After reading the PDF, I'm thinking it might be best to let the BWP install do most of the dirty work for me... but I'm still reading on how to get everything I need together (I'm a dial-up victim).
Since the BWP Fixpack, Textpack & Toolpack aren't listed on the install order, should I assume that I won't need them? I'm also wondering if I actually need the Worldmap at all, considering I won't be doing BG1?
Thanks...
Steve
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Since the BWP Fixpack, Textpack & Toolpack aren't listed on the install order, should I assume that I won't need them?
Disregard that one... I just found it in the PDF. ;D
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de'Arnise romance is stable: it's been online for about a year, and all minor issues were fixed in v2. Anyway, I'd recommend to trust the mod's author, who's been making mods for much longer than BWP's been making lists.
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de'Arnise romance is stable: it's been online for about a year, and all minor issues were fixed in v2. Anyway, I'd recommend to trust the mod's author, who's been making mods for much longer than BWP's been making lists.
Even better! ;D
I didn't mean to imply that anything was wrong with the mod. When I mentioned that it might not be safe, I was referring to the fact that it might not be compatible with the BWP when I saw that it wasn't even mentioned on the list.
In any event, I apologize if I made it sound like I didn't trust the mod or it's author (Jason Compton).
I've seen his name mentioned on the various mod boards. It appears that he's one of the major mod gurus, so I'm quite confident that it will work well.
Incidentally, do you have any idea why it's not on the list? It seems very interesting, which is why I wanted to use it in the first place. In fact, it was one of the first ones I DL'd.
Also, I'd like to add it into my list of mods to install... Do you think that it would be better to install it with the other quest mods... or perhaps the NPC mods? It seems to have elements of both, judging by the description.
Here's my current list:
00.01 BiG World Fixpack v6.01
00.03 BiG World Toolpack v5.4
00.04 7-Zip v4.57
00.05 WeiDU (Tool) v208
01.01 Clean Install
01.02 Backup
01.02 G3 BG2 Fixpack v6
04.01 The Darkest Day v1.12
04.02 Shadows Over Soubar v1.12
04.03 Check The Bodies v1.9
04.04 Tortured Souls (TS-BPv6.10)
04.06 Ascension 1.4.23
10.06 PGG (Ding0's) Quest Pack v2.3 #1 (BG1?)
11.03 Desecration Of Souls v.261
11.07 The Bigg Quest Pack v2.02
11.14 Fading Promises v1
13.08 Freedom's Reign & Reign of Virtue (FR___ROV) v4
13.10 Herbs & Potions Add-In for BG2 v1.0.3
13.11 Improved Horns Of Valhalla v1.2
13.27 Food and Herbal Mod v 1.01 (Foodmod)
14.05 Beyond the Law (BTL) v1.35
14.26 Xan NPC v8
16.07 Banter Pack v9
16.08 IEP Extended Banters v2
19.02 Unfinished Business for BG2 v17
20.01 Resource Fixer v1
20.06 PPG (DingO's) Quest Pack v2.3 #2
21.01 Solaufein NPC
21.02 Solaufein Flirt Pack v4.0
21.04 Kelsey NPC SoA v2.1/ToB v2.2
21.06 Keto NPC v3
21.09 NPC Flirt Packs v1.02
21.11 PPG (DingO's) Quest Pack v2.3 #3
21.12 The Gibberlings Three Anniversary (G3) v5
22.06 Tower Of Deception v3.1
22.07 G3 BGII Tweak Pack v6 #1
22.15 Crossmod Banter Pack v7
23.04 G3 BGII Tweak Pack v6 #2
24.06 End Biff v2.1
24.07 BP-BGT-Worldmap v7.0a
Thanks for all the assistance...
Steve
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Incidentally, do you have any idea why it's not on the list? It seems very interesting, which is why I wanted to use it in the first place. In fact, it was one of the first ones I DL'd.
There probably just isn't a German translation for it... as the Big World Project lead is a German.
Since the BWP Fixpack, Textpack & Toolpack aren't listed on the install order, should I assume that I won't need them?
Disregard that one... I just found it in the PDF. ;D
Indeed you do need them, or the whole thing is S%&¤-up'ed...
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Incidentally, do you have any idea why it's not on the list? It seems very interesting, which is why I wanted to use it in the first place. In fact, it was one of the first ones I DL'd.
There probably just isn't a German translation for it... as the Big World Project lead is a German.
Ah! That makes sense then. I noticed that much of the material was presented in both English and German.
I found a link for the BWP here (http://www.kerzenburg.nightisforum.de/showthread.php?t=34931) that was in both languages, but I hadn't considered that as a reason not to include it in the install.
Makes sense though... I certainly don't think I'd get too far playing a mod written in German... ;)
That said, I've noticed the author of the BWP writes in English very well. I wish my German was half as good.
Since the BWP Fixpack, Textpack & Toolpack aren't listed on the install order, should I assume that I won't need them?
Disregard that one... I just found it in the PDF. ;D
Indeed you do need them, or the whole thing is S%&¤-up'ed...
Yep... I've also found that the Worldmap is also listed as being required (another big DL).
I'm in the process of DL'ng all of the mods I need. It's taking a while... but I get the feeling it'll be worth it when I start exploring... ;D
Thanks!
Steve
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Also, I'd like to add it into my list of mods to install... Do you think that it would be better to install it with the other quest mods... or perhaps the NPC mods? It seems to have elements of both, judging by the description.
I've just posted this question on the BWP thread at Spellhold... I'll post the response here.
Steve
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Here was the response from Leomar at SHS:
We will include the de'Arnise Romance in one of our next BWP versions and so we have not tested it, yet. Normally it should be compatible with the BWP, so you can install it after the Viconia Romance. But if you want to be safe, install it last. Should there be a problem you can easily uninstall the mod.
I think I'm all set... I'm looking forward to digging into the game with all the added bells and whistles!
Many thanks to Kulyok, Jarno, Mike and Daulmakan for putting up with my silly questions.
I'll post back to let you know how it goes!
Steve
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By the way, because you don't have the BGT-WeiDU mod, you need first use the BiG World Install * v5.4.bat, and as it exits -because you don't have the mod- you need to edit the file so that it has no reference to all the files before the BGT or to the BGT... before you rerun it.
I'll give the code lines which all needs to be erased, also note the dots(...) means all the lines between:
IF NOT exist Setup-bg2fixpack.exe echo %MOD% bg2fixpack %NOTP%
IF NOT exist Setup-BDToBv166.exe echo %MOD% BDToBv166 %NOTP%
...
IF NOT exist Setup-Ascension.exe echo %MOD% Ascension %NOTP%
IF NOT exist Setup-BGT.exe echo %MOD% BGT %NOTP% This mod however is necessary for the whole installation.
if not exist ".\BiG World Fixpack\_temp\override" MD ".\BiG World Fixpack\_temp\override" | %MTEE%
if exist "BiG World Fixpack" xcopy /Y /S /E ".\BiG World Fixpack\_resfixer_v1\*.*" "." | %MTEE%
if exist "BiG World Fixpack" xcopy /Y /S /E ".\BiG World Fixpack\_SCSII_WM_fix\*.*" "." | %MTEE%
...
if not exist Setup-BGT.exe echo.
if not exist Setup-BGT.exe pause
if not exist Setup-BGT.exe goto :MissMod ::) It make a little difference if you use English or German edition of the BiG World Install * v5.4.bat, in code, but for clarity sake I took it from the BiG World Install english v5.4.bat .
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By the way, because you don't have the BGT-WeiDU mod, you need first use the BiG World Install * v5.4.bat, and as it exits -because you don't have the mod- you need to edit the file so that it has no reference to all the files before the BGT or to the BGT... before you rerun it.
I'll give the code lines which all needs to be erased, also note the dots(...) means all the lines between:
Hi Jarno...
The only problem I see with what you're saying is that several of the mods I do want to install are listed between the BG2 Fixpack and BGT. If I remove those code blocks from the .BAT file, it doesn't appear as though it will try to install:
BG2 Fixpack
Baldurdash BGWeiDU
The Darkest Day
Shadows Over Soubar
Check The Bodies
Tortured Souls
Ascension
Would I then have to install those mods manually? Perhaps I should just remove the references for the BGT mod, so that the install will skip that part?
Steve
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Read it again as it says: Edit it
...before you rerun it.
, again. Thus you need to run it once before you edit it. ;D
You'll also need the BPv1.77 (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?autocom=downloads&showfile=546) and the BP ToBfixes (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?showtopic=22246), for the Ascensions main components(1,2,3,5) to actually install, as they are installed from that mod, not from Ascension...
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Read it again as it says: Edit it ...before you rerun it.
, again. Thus you need to run it once before you edit it. ;D
You'll also need the BPv1.77 (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?autocom=downloads&showfile=546) and the BP ToBfixes (http://www.shsforums.net/index.php?showtopic=22246), for the Ascensions main components(1,2,3,5) to actually install, as they are installed from that mod, not from Ascension...
Ah! I think I understand it now, Jarno. The first run-through will fail part-way through (after those mods have installed) due to the missing BGT file... The edited file will pick up where the first one left off. Excellent!
I am downloading BP now...
My new & improved install goes as follows:
00.01 BiG World Fixpack v6.01
00.03 BiG World Toolpack v5.4
00.04 7-Zip v4.57
00.05 WeiDU (Tool) v208
01.01 Clean Install
01.02 Backup
01.03 G3 BG2 Fixpack v6
01.07 Baldurdash (BD-WeiDU) v1.6.6
04.01 The Darkest Day v1.12
04.02 Shadows Over Soubar v1.12
04.03 Check The Bodies v1.9
04.04 Tortured Souls (TS-BPv6.10)
04.06 Ascension 1.4.23 #1
10.06 PGG (Ding0's) Quest Pack v2.3 #1 (BG1?)
11.02 Ajoc's Minimod v1.6.1
11.03 Desecration Of Souls v.261
11.07 The Bigg Quest Pack v2.02
11.14 Fading Promises v1
13.08 Freedom's Reign & Reign of Virtue (FR___ROV) v4
13.10 Herbs & Potions Add-In for BG2 v1.0.3
13.11 Improved Horns Of Valhalla v1.2
13.18 Ruad Ro'fessa Item Upgrade v20
13.27 Food and Herbal Mod v 1.01 (Foodmod)
14.05 Beyond the Law (BTL) v1.35
14.26 Xan NPC v8
16.07 Banter Pack v9
16.08 IEP Extended Banters v2
19.02 Unfinished Business for BG2 v17
20.01 Resource Fixer v1
20.02 The Big Picture (BP) v1.77a
20.02.10 BP ToB Fix v1.77
04.06 Ascension 1.4.23 #2
20.06 PPG (DingO's) Quest Pack v2.3 #2
21.01 Solaufein NPC
21.04 Kelsey NPC SoA v2.1/ToB v2.2
21.06 Keto NPC v3
21.09 NPC Flirt Packs v1.02
21.11 PPG (DingO's) Quest Pack v2.3 #3
21.12 The Gibberlings Three Anniversary (G3) v5
22.06 Tower Of Deception v3.1
22.07 G3 BGII Tweak Pack v6 #1
22.15 Crossmod Banter Pack v7
23.04 G3 BGII Tweak Pack v6 #2
24.06 End Biff v2.1
24.07 BP-BGT-Worldmap v7.0a
I've also decided to take Mike and Kulyok's advice and run through the game once with only the Fixpack and Tweaks, so that I can learn the basic storyline, which will also allow me to fully appreciate the mod content when I come across it in my second run-through. As obsessive as I get about playing the game, it shouldn't take me very long anyway (relatively speaking)... although my wife might end up throwing me out. ;D
I'll be sure to re-check the mods for current versions when I start the actual install.
Thanks for your patience, Jarno. Your help is greatly appreciated! 8)
Cheers...
Steve
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Uups. BWP. Another forum to notify. ;)
Greetings Leomar
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Just checking again.
Mod list/installation order
1. BG2: SoA & ToB
2. ToB latest patch
3. Tsujatha
4. Yasraena
5. Kelsey
6. Xan
7. Quest Pack
8. Cross Mod Banter Pack
9. Unfinished Business
10. NPC Flirt Pack
Is that correct? And if I want to install RE and Assasination, where do they fit in?
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Anyone? ???
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Just checking again.
Mod list/installation order
1. BG2: SoA & ToB
2. ToB latest patch
3. Tsujatha
4. Yasraena
5. Kelsey
6. Xan
7. Quest Pack
8. Cross Mod Banter Pack
9. Unfinished Business
10. NPC Flirt Pack
Is that correct? And if I want to install RE and Assasination, where do they fit in?
In general, install order is safe as...- NPCs
- Banter/flirt packs
- Quests stuff
- Tweak packs
- EXE patching (e.g. Widescreen mod)
(- Virtue)
So your list is ok, but try this:1. BG2: SoA & ToB
2. ToB latest patch
5. Kelsey
3. Tsujatha
4. Yasraena
6. Xan
8. Cross Mod Banter Pack
10. NPC Flirt Pack
9. Unfinished Business
7. Quest Pack
RE and Assassination
Of course, visit the mods' homepages, Read the documentation to confirm where to best place them.
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Greetings,
I'm new and thus utterly confused by Mods. ;D Well, not an excuse, I guess.
I have the following Mods I'd like to install and a backup ready.
Ascension 1.4.23
Dungeon Be Gone
Easy of Use
Banterpack v. 10 (Can I install more than one?)
Kelsey
Keto
NPCFlirtPack
Romantic Encounters
Saerileth v.13
Turnabout
Ninde v. 1.1
Questpack v.23
FadingPromises
LongerRoad 1.5
Unfinished Business
So, my Install Order would look like this:
BG SoA
BG ToB
Baldurdash Fixes
Ascension
Turnabout
TLR
FadingPromises
Questpack
Unfinished Biz
Kelsey
Other NPCs
DbG
.....I just am not sure. Can anyone confirm or, more likely, re-assemble the mess I made? :P
And a question about Banter Speed... There is Speedy Banters, Banter Acceleration Script.... will they conflict?
Many thanks in advance!! :)
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Banter Speeds don't conflict, no. But The Longer Road and Turnabout aren't compatible. Install Quest Pack after Kelsey and Keto, and install Keto after Kelsey.
Don't install Ease-Of-Use, install BG2 Tweaks from gibberlings3.net instead - install it last.
I'm not sure if this topic will attract more visitors, so you're welcome to create your own topic - it's usually better this way.
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Ok i've done some poking around and i can't seem to find a clear answer regarding installation order and Baldurdash vs. Baldurdash weidu...
Here's the recommended installation order i dug up, which recommends installing Baldurdash pretty much right after all the official stuff.. but this was before it was released as weidu install and from what i've read weidu installs seem to come last.
1.) Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
2.) Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal
3.) Official Bioware Patch for ToB
4.) Baldurdash Fixpacks for ToB
5.) Create a clean backup
6.) dialog.tlk-overwriting mods (Only one dialog.tlk-overwriting mod can be installed. See the Big Picture install guide for step-by-step instructions)
**OR** Total Conversions (no other mods should be installed after TC's)¹
7.) IAP/SFX mods
8.) WeiDU Mods²³†‡
What i'm not sure of is whether or not to *still* install the baldurdash-Weidu first (step 4) or to install it *after* my "dialog.tlk"-overwriting mod -(which is a custom kit, only three additional strings) (step 6) and consider it as one of the other Weidu mods i planned to install afterwards (step 8 )
and does the installation order i'm using look sound in the first place?
Thanks
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"Here's the recommended installation order i dug up, which recommends installing Baldurdash pretty much right after all the official stuff.. but this was before it was released as weidu install and from what i've read weidu installs seem to come last."
Ha! 'dug up' from This topic..
sorry, i had about 8 pages going at the same time trying to find my answer..
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Nowadays:
1.) Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
2.) Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal
3.) Official Bioware Patch v26498 for ToB
4.) Create a clean backup
5.) WeiDU Mods
As your first WeiDU mod, use G3 BG2 Fixpack instead of Baldurdash. I wouldn't trust a dialog.tlk-overwriting mod if nobody's bothered to update it.
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It's not really a dialog-tlk editing *mod* so much. It's really just a kit, one i threw together about 7 years ago using a kit editor and the IEEP's dialog .tlk writing feature.. I don't even have the kit editor anymore- i just copy the edited 2da's into my override and use the IEEP to enter the class descriptions into the .tlk
It's been awhile since i played, but i never had any problems with it.
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Well, if you are doing it that way, you could do that at the end of your install, since it is a minor edit - grab the tools and rebuild. You could take the .2das and edit them in at the end as well, after text comparing them to the old ones. That way you don't break all the stuff you want to add to your install.(But it would be saver and easier for you to just run it out in weidu - there are simple kit mod examples around).
The biggest problem is *which* dialog.tlk you really were working with back then. Baldurdash has changed. So if you were working with a vanilla unpatched install of SoA, vs a patched one, vs. a ToB unpatched, vs a patched, vs. the original Dorner Baldurdash, vs the newer rebuilds of Baldurdash, vs. Fixpack fixes... the reason WeiDU stuff is now the standard is it is readily undoable, testable, and most of all it floaats to your installation, thus solving this problem. If it finds an existing string in the dialog.tlk, it uses it, and if it doesn't, it creates a new one, mapping the materials into the correct place.
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"The biggest problem is *which* dialog.tlk you really were working with back then. Baldurdash has changed."
ehh..
I hadn't thought of that.
I like Weidu for the reasons you mention, though my understanding of it is limited. I'd love for my kit to be in Weidu format, but i don't know how much i'm into trying to figure it out. I've never been that knowledgeable with Infinity engine editing (or any other for that matter).. just minor stuff usually making use of an editing tool this or that really cool person created which does most of the hard work for me.
Redoing the kit from scratch might be beyond me too. I'd need the "for dummies" edition, how-to guide.
on a side note.. windows 7 doesn't seem to like editing of any kind. It bitches constantly.
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With Windows 7, don't install the game in your Program Files directory. You won't be able to edit anything. I just created another directory, c:\gaming. And turn off UAC unless you like clicking "Yes" and "Confirm" every 3 seconds.
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With Windows 7, don't install the game in your Program Files directory. You won't be able to edit anything. I just created another directory, c:\gaming. And turn off UAC unless you like clicking "Yes" and "Confirm" every 3 seconds.
*sigh*
where were you a couple of months ago when i bought this thing?
I found out that when using the Infinity Explorer- copying files to a folder in Prog. files, it actually sends the file to a different spot.. user blah blah/ virtual store/ something something. Very annoying.
Thanks though, nice to know the way around that crap.
Oh, and what exactly is the UAC? Because i certainly don't like confirming every 3 seconds.
*found it. User Account Control..*
I appreciate all the help folks. (Elu = Kilmor)
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*necrobump*
Hm, but is there a specific order for WEIDU mods to go in? I just had some dialogue weirdnesses in BG1 under EasyTutu. Like, dialogue options being wrong - a Candlekeep Chanter had the text of Sarevok's diary as his dialogue, a Nashkel merchant had no dialogue at all (but responded to pressing 1 and 2), and a couple of other things were inappropriate, but nothing game-breaking...
Now... Where I started from was:
BG1 + TotSC + Latest TotSC Patch + Baldurdash (in that order - Baldurdash being the final MrKevvy version, not any updated WEIDU version if this exists: is there one, and should I use that instead, and what is its full name and where do I get it, and how do I ensure that it is NOT arbitrarily "fixing" a thing that is not clearly a "bug"?)
Mods I wanted to install:
Tutufix
Unfinished Business
BG1 Tweaks (or is BG2 tweaks better?) just to give the BG2 40-ammo stacks rather than 20 ammo, and have some of the shopkeepers able to buy bolts as well as arrows
NPC Project (most of it, except NOT the Imoen / Edwin / Jaheira BG2 portraits, the Sarevok Diary adjustment, or the "NPCs sent to wait in inns" since I'm using Swordcoast Stratagems for that)
Finch, Indira and Mur'Neth NPCs
Sirine's Call
Some of Sword Coast Strategems (specifically the better NPC management although I always keep "couples" together anyway)
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I'm not sure Baldurdash is advised to be installed in your BG1 directory before Easytutu clones it. Maybe you should try reinstalling Easytutu without it.
If the only tweak you care for is mildly increased ammo stacks, then Tutufix should be enough.
For Tutu mod install order, check this (http://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?showtopic=8122) out.
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Howdy,
Installed clean, added Tortured Souls, then followed the order found in the Big Picture guide. Now I encounter this error:
"An Assertion failed in InfScreenInventory.cpp at line number 9909."
Error hits mostly with items attached to the TS mod (everything Sime has, Kachiko's swords), but it did occur with teh amulet Aran gives you at your first meeting.
Anyone encounter this?
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Installed clean, added Tortured Souls, then followed the order found in the Big Picture guide...
Suggestions given in your thread: http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php/topic,28150.0.html