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Miscellany, Inc. => Ensign First Class Blather => Topic started by: Andyr on August 26, 2004, 06:21:15 PM
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I was just wondering about this. :) Please, no flaming. I am curious as to the results.
For the record, I am a Christian Methodist.
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Please to be adding an option for "Not really sure, since everyone seems to have a different definition of agnostic." Although that could just be shortened to "Not really sure," so that other folks can choose it if the last bit doesn't apply.
Also add an option for "I am a Sith".
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I can't edit options, you'll have to do it yourself. :P
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Something in me rebels at the thought of monotheism. One day I should look into the religions of this world that aren't based on One Sumpreme Being and see if I like them. Otherwise, though I believe there is something more powerful out there I haven't found an explanation I like. That's is not to say I'd be any more observant of that religion than I currently am of Christianity.
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Technically speaking I guess i'm catholic (but I wouldn't call myself roman catholic so I voted other) ;)
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I was baptised a Catholic, but let the record show that I was the first person to vote "atheist".
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None and all, in a way. All religions have something to teach, both positive and negative. The idea of following one though, is something I think of as inherently restrictive(also a label, another box perhaps?). I believe in the connection of all things, following my heart, not doing harm, forgiveness and ultimately taking responsibility for my actions and their consequences. These things, of course, are listed in many religions and life philosopies. So my religion then - developing the patchwork quilt of self through the exercise of free will. :)
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Wiccan but I have not been involved in it for a while.
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Is Wicca different from Paganism?
If so, can someone add Wicca to the poll? :)
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I voted "other." I was raised in Pentecostal and Baptist churches (meaning we went about 10 times my entire childhood) but I never saw eye-to-eye with either. As I've gotten older, I just can't get behind worshipping Jesus Christ. I believe that he was very influential and that he did indeed live, but as for being the "son of God" and our Saviour, I just have a hard time with that. I do believe, however, that there is something greater than us out there, but likely not the God from the Bible.
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If so, can someone add Wicca to the poll? :)
Done. :)
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Yes there is a difference. ;)
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Thanks, Ice. :)
Gabrielle: Can you summarise the difference for me?
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I am of a "customised" religion, tailor made to my own beliefs.
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Religion is a smile on a dog. Specifically the SO's dog, who happens to be named Religion. Rob wanted the enjoyment of lecturing, "Bad Religion!" during the housebreaking/training period.
I also believe in Feng Shoe, the ancient art of accessorizing. :-yin
My mother's family is Methodist. Being from the South, this means they have feats in pot luck dinners and casserole-making. My stepfamily is Irish Catholic, complete with a priest in the family, and, though I don't share their beliefs, I respect that those beliefs are part and parcel of what makes some people I love who they are.
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I'm an atheist, but I guess I'm technically an agnostic. I don't believe in any religion, but I don't think there couldn't be some sort of deity (or deities).
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None and all, in a way. All religions have something to teach, both positive and negative. The idea of following one though, is something I think of as inherently restrictive(also a label, another box perhaps?). I believe in the connection of all things, following my heart, not doing harm, forgiveness and ultimately taking responsibility for my actions and their consequences. These things, of course, are listed in many religions and life philosopies. So my religion then - developing the patchwork quilt of self through the exercise of free will. :)
Sounds like unitarian universalism. Many beliefs fit under its umbrella. ;p I'm agnostic I guess. I call my religion, "possibilism." Also, unitarian universalism and quan yin method should be added, if they're not on there already.
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I believe in being decent to another people. That is the bottom line of most of the 'big' religions too, I think. Funnily enough it fails to show in this little world of ours. :P
As roughly some 80 % my fellow Finns I too was raised as Protestant Christian, though.
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Roman Catholic.
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I worship Oghma and Lathander.....mmmh.. well ok. I am from a catholic/protestant family, raised as a protestant, practising a Buddhist mix with some Osho added for the flavour( Religion is a smile on a dog is almost a zen koan).
I am agnostic as to what makes people think they are atheists. :P
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I'd say I'm agnostic, agnostic being not athiest. Athiest being that you don't believe there's anything out there in the whole universe and that the human race is the only intelligent race ever conceived, and agnostic being that I believe there are other beings out there in the universe and that we aren't alone, maybe even some kind of God-type being, but I just don't actively support any religion.
Well I think that's what they are...
Technically, I'm a Jedi :-X since my parents put that on the err... thingy, where they ask ya religion and stuff.... CONSENSUS! Yeah, that was a running joke in England, I think loads of people put Jedi there so it became an actual religion or something. lol
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Lutheran Protestant. :)
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Atheist.
I was once curious about Satanism but found I did not like it. I have always been extremely fascinated with the Norse Mythology, however. I am of course baptised and all that. Well, I lied.
-Echon
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I voted "something other".
My passport says I'm Roman Catholic, I used to attend church services regularly when I was about 13, but I lost my interest quite soon and haven't been there for a long time. I don't believe in the Bible or its protagonists, that's why I couldn't attend religion lessons when I still went to school (it bored me too much).
I'm not an atheist, however, as I pray from time to time (sometimes asking for a solution to my problems, often just saying "thank you").
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Atheist here.
Atheist because of political ideology, not for any religious reason.
However, I do dabble in paganism, moreso Celticism.
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For the record, I am a Christian Methodist.
I'm also a Methodist.
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I strongly dislike religion. Atheist.
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I strongly dislike religion. Atheist.
I agree with you completely. Im a militant atheist. Cast down the false gods (which are all of them)!
I dont mind most non-christian base religions.
its funny how these online polls always have atheist as a leading option.
And its odd that this is the second one Ive noticed in 5 minutes. Religion poll that is. The other being at Ashford City forums.
Whaaaat? Just because I dont really mod, nor post, does that make me any less member of The Community? My opinion counts!
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Statistically, are atheists a global majority?
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Statistically, are atheists a global majority?
Probably not.
1.2 BIllion Catholics or so make up the largest percentage, I think. 6 billion people in the word, 20% is a lot.
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormon)
Come on, you all wondered who voted that way, didn't ya? ;)
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I don't wear religious makeup... ::)
I voted 'protestant', but I'm probably some kind of weird mixture of gnostic and 17th-century puritan (the cool ones who killed British kings and advocated free will, not the boring ones who burned witches and thought sex was evil). I'm also not interested in being a member of any church that has priests, claim that they will make me a better person (I'm pretty good as I am, thank you very much) or claims that everybody else is wrong.
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I strongly dislike religion. Atheist.
its funny how these online polls always have atheist as a leading option.
Actually, if you add up just the Catholics and Protestants, the numbers are tied.
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I think he meant that for some reason, "atheist" is often the first option of the poll.
Im a militant atheist. Cast down the false gods (which are all of them)!
I dont mind most non-christian base religions.
I find that somewhat strange.
Except if "I don't mind" means "I know next to no one believing in it, so I don't care."
Statistically, are atheists a global majority?
Probably not.
1.2 BIllion Catholics or so make up the largest percentage, I think. 6 billion people in the word, 20% is a lot.
Also, add at least 1 billion Muslims and 500-700 million Hindus to the list, and you've already covered almost half of the world's population. And there's still Buddhists, other Christian denominations, and all the other religions to count.
So... definitely not.
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@ Roman Catholic
*sings* Every sperm is sacred.... :D
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sing along
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...and now everybody! Yes,... and the backbenchers too.
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I was just wondering about this. :) Please, no flaming. I am curious as to the results.
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Church Of Scotland. Whatever kind of protestant that makes me :)
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Atheist.
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Agnostic atheist. Both theists and atheists can be agnostic. I'm not sure if there is a deity in some form, but I'm sure it's not the form claimed in any religion I know.
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agnostic..
waiting to see who was right...we all find out sooner or later... ;)
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That's
agnostic..
waiting to see who was right...we all find out sooner or later... ;)
That's hedging your bets. Take a gamble. Put your chip on one, and see if you win. (Think of that Not-The-Nine-O'Clock-News sketch, with Rowan Atkinson as the devil, on the Last Judgement day- "Christians, sorry, the Jewish people were right.") That's a much more exciting way to live. Of course, it was much more exciting, when eternal damnation awaited everyone who chose wrong. Nowadays, the heat is supposed to be off, Ecumenical Council and all that.
My family are Irish Roman Catholic. This makes me confused and guilt-ridden - for which there is no option on the poll.
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Sign me up for "confused and guilt ridden" as well.. I'm Christian (hence the guilt), but I don't know what denomination (hence the confusion). :)
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its funny how these online polls always have atheist as a leading option.
It's because religion is more abundant among the 'simple people'; the people who don't go online routinely. :)
I am personally an Atheist (although I might switch to the new religion of 'Galactygonism'), although I have been fascinated by the mix of religions. Perhaps there is an abstract greater being out there that doesn't have to do anything with the moral codes we, humans created. I am too busy with life to think more on that (and the afterlife is something I really wish existed, so I might as well start thinking on believeing there is one).
-Galactygon
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@ Andyr
Pagan is a generalization of pagan religions one of them being Wicca. Just like Christian is a general term to describe people of the Christian religions.
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agnostic..
waiting to see who was right...we all find out sooner or later... ;)
Well, according to South Park, we now know who's right...
Speaker: Hello, newcomers, and welcome. Can everybody hear me? [taps the mic a few times] Hello? Can everybuh-? Okay. [the crowd quiets down] Uh, I'm the hell director. Uh, it looks like we have about 8,615 of you newbies today, and for those of you who are a little confused, uh, you are dead, and this is hell, so, abandon all hope and uh yada yada yada. Uh, we are now going to start the orientation process, which will last about-
Man 4: Hey, wait a minute, I shouldn't be here. I wa a totally strict and devout Protestant! I thought we went to heaven!
Hell Director: Yes, well I'm afraid you were wrong.
Soldier: I was a practicing Jehovah's Witness. Hell director: Uh, you picked the wrong religion as well.
Man 5: Well, who was right? Who gets into heaven?
Hell Director: I'm afraid it was the Mormons. Yes, the Mormons were the correct answer.
Crowd: [disappointed] Awww.
I'm sorry, I hope I didn't offend anyone, it's just this is sooo damn funny! ;D
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Nondenominational Christian.
If you want to get real picky about it, I'm of the Calvinist persuasion with an orientation on Grace. I need all of that I can get. ;)
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Galc: And I am the simplest of all. :)
Gabrielle: Ah, thanks, I was not aware of that.
SR: :P ;)
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@glain
If only I had known before, but now I am a theta-4 already. :D
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I worship at the Temple of the Sacred Cat myself.
http://www.vcnet.com/valkat/temple.html :-yin ;)
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I worship at the Temple of the Sacred Cat myself.
http://www.vcnet.com/valkat/temple.html :-yin ;)
I used to have one of those cats. It was utterly brainless. But cute and soft, yes.
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I voted for the dog's smile option. I do not belong to any church at the moment, nor am I planning to. I am still not an atheist either. Though I do not believe in any god or goddess as such, but I do believe there is a lot more in the world and outside the world we are able to see. So I do pray occasionally, because I do believe there is something that can hear it, or should I say I believe it can sometimes make a difference. Besides it comforts me :)
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I am an other, I would be atheistic (or agnostic) but there are times when I suspect there has to be some sort of power. I'm too tired to go listing all my beliefy things tho
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Protestant Christian - to subdivided that catergory even more, an Evangelical Christian. (Not sure but my offical demoniation sits in the middle between Baptist and Penticostol)
I attend Church regularly and try my best to live according to what I proffess to believe.
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Something tells me this thread will be locked soon. ::)
-Galactygon
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I'm not planning on it. Maybe later.
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Forgive divine? LOL I must be a fallen angel in hell then. Revenge is so sweet. 8)
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Who's the Buddhist here? :)
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Spiritual, not religous - whatever that makes me. I was raised Methodist, but I despise labels these days.
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haha! there is a religion thread. I shall post here that i am catholic, once again. This thread appears just as stable as the other one. hmm... i agree that this thread will probably be locked soon.
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The three great topics of conversation sure to start violence. Religion, Politics, Weather.
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yes, i started a religion thread in the forgotten wars forum, but they don't allow talk of that stuff
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The three great topics of conversation sure to start violence. Religion, Politics, Weather.
I know I'm always coming to blows over the weather... "Nice day today, isn't it?" "No, it's a bit windy, actually." "You take that back!" "NEVER!" :P
Religion and politics are warm and fuzzy compared to those fights. *shudder*
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Could I ask that Orthodox Christian is also a choice in the poll, and that I'm not gonna vote I'm a Catholic just because it's the closest?
(For anyone that doesn't know: Orthodox Christian Churches are the Christian churches of Greece, Russia, Servia, Bulgaria and Romania, which follow the same in general lines dogma such as the Catholic, but just don't accept the Pope and have Patriarchs instead, just like it was before 1054 AD in the schizm.)
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The only Muslim here, w00t! ;D
I don't mind clearing any questions about Islam and if you want to make fun of us, go somewhere else :P
@Andyr, are you sure you're religious when you said you are NE after doing an alignment test ;)
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The only Muslim here, w00t! ;D
I don't mind clearing any questions about Islam and if you want to make fun of us, go somewhere else :P
@Andyr, are you sure you're religious when you said you are NE after doing an alignment test ;)
What? Where? An alignment test? I wanna see this!!!
Question: Felstorm, are you from Turkey? And which branch of Islam do you follow?
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http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20001222b
http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/
The first is a better one if you were in the D&D world while the second is a laugh
First test I got Lawful Good, second test I got Lawful Good Paladin or Ranger of Tyr (dang, I wanted Torm ;D)
@mindflayer: I'm from England, not Turkey and I follow Ahmadiyyat (my branch). We encompass about 200 million people which is roughly a 1/5 of all Muslims.
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http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20001222b
http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/
The first is a better one if you were in the D&D world while the second is a laugh
@mindflayer: I'm from England, not Turkey and I follow Ahmadiyyat (my branch). We encompass about 200 million people which is roughly a 1/5 of all Muslims.
Oh! (Asking because I'm from somewhere near Turkey...)
In which Islamic countries are the Ahmadiyyat predominant? I remember a division between Siites and Sunites (or something like that, please excuse my awful english), does it have any connection?
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The only Muslim here, w00t! ;D
I don't mind clearing any questions about Islam and if you want to make fun of us, go somewhere else :P
I have some Muslims in my family, though they aren't IE game players. ;)
@Andyr, are you sure you're religious when you said you are NE after doing an alignment test ;)
I did that test to point out their stupidity. Clearly, I am not NE. :)
MF: I can't edit the poll, you'll have to ask a mod. :D Though you could vote Protestant, if nobody edits.
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I voted 'Other Religion (please specify)', although it's not another religion, it's Christianism. The first Church of.
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@Mindflayer- Shiites and Sunis are divided because after the founder of Islam passed away there were two main choices for next in line for leadership. Most Muslims split into those two camps at the time supporting each of the two possible candidates. If you or anyone would like more info. on the two or how my branch was created then PM for info for you to read at your own leisure (shouldn't be that much to read in the PM its just too much for a thread).
@Andyr, I suspected when a friend of mine tried it and first time got LG and second time got CN, which is ofc very silly :)
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At Andyr: Orthodox Christian is not Protestant. The Orthodox church views the Catholic church as one of the first major breakaway hearsays. They are unrelated to the later Protestant denominations that broke from the Catholic church.
Of course as a Catholic my views on the split are a bit different. I'll give the Orhodox believers that the Catholics added to the Nicean Creed unilaterally ... but, in spite of some reservations and historical black marks, I'll maintain that having a central 'head' bishop in Rome was the right way to go.
;)
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Could I ask that Orthodox Christian is also a choice in the poll, and that I'm not gonna vote I'm a Catholic just because it's the closest?
It looks like we've reached the maximum number of poll options, so the only way we can add a new choice is to replace one of the current religions listed with 0 votes. If you have to vote "Other," please continue to identify what other religion you follow, because there's no way we're going to be able to add them all.
P.S. If you voted "Religion is a smile on a dog," and your vote is now missing, it is because my attempts to add additional religions to the poll managed to destroy that option. Apologies. Me = :-ban
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At Andyr: Orthodox Christian is not Protestant. The Orthodox church views the Catholic church as one of the first major breakaway hearsays. They are unrelated to the later Protestant denominations that broke from the Catholic church.
Of course as a Catholic my views on the split are a bit different. I'll give the Orhodox believers that the Catholics added to the Nicean Creed unilaterally ... but, in spite of some reservations and historical black marks, I'll maintain that having a central 'head' bishop in Rome was the right way to go.
;)
Yes, although Andyr may have a point here. There was a huge wave of "protestantism" n the Orthodox Church during the last century, which fortunately ended the right way: The Orthodox Church realised what was happening fast enough to return to the old ways. In terms of Dogma, we are definitely closer to Catholics (Filioque and a few other dogmatic differences only), and also in terms of Church Organisation.
Anyways, the Pre-Schizm Church was ruled by two people: The Pope and the Patriach of Constantinople. The reason is pretty simple: The two capitals of the Roman (later, Byzantine) Empire. Ever since Rome fell, and the Emperor would not protect the Pope (well, the Patriarch was in Constantinople, no need for protection) against barbaric hordes, the Pope turned to the Franks for his own kingdom to rule politically (as the Patriarch of Constantinople did, although he was greatly shadowed by the Emperor). The *real* reason behind the Schizm was not over who was the head of Christianity, but rather who would control the christian churches of South Italy and Sicily in the first phase, and who ruled over the other three patriarchates (yes, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem) in the second and last phase.
The Schizm is a really long story, and if one sits down and thinks of it whole, they would realise the whole issue is about politics, not religion.
It looks like we've reached the maximum number of poll options, so the only way we can add a new choice is to replace one of the current religions listed with 0 votes. If you have to vote "Other," please continue to identify what other religion you follow, because there's no way we're going to be able to add them all.
I voted "Other (please specify)" or something like that, although I would insist that some of the other choices with null votes could be removed... But anyways, it's not important. The Orthodox Christians around the world are estimated around 300 millions, however only a few of them live in developed countries, so basically you could be surprised to see one on the net. The fluctuation in the power of the Patriarchate is mainly due to the Turks not allowing it to function properly.
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Heh, perhaps the Christian options should've been limited to Catholic, Mormon, and Other. :D
Rath, MF: I didn't realise all that history about the Orthodox Church, I had thought they were simply different Protestant branches.
Remember, no flaming plz.
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Just because someone does something and says they're doing it in the name of religion, doesn't mean they *are* actually following the tenets of their religion. ;)
Anyhow, no flaming plz. :)
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This should be in another thread. As it is not about religion anymore.
You're right.
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http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/08/Columns/I_m_an_atheist___so_w.shtml
Pretty much says it all.
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I don't know that religion is quite as compulsory here.(Australia) Although we do have our loony far-right groups, who depressingly, seemed to have influenced policy statements during our election. Perhaps religious belief gives oppressed/minority groups a sense of community and support - the opium of the masses and all that- and that's why those people feel so challenged by an absence of such beliefs.
I know I've taught children who come from families where religious belief is listed as non-denominational - is that just code for atheist?- and it doesn't raise a stir. I think the problem is that tolerant people take a "live and let live" approach, and so you only hear from people who are incensed that you differ from them, and who feel the validity of their belief is under threat.(It's using words like "logic" and "rational" that causes the problem.) Nothing has changed for them really, since heretics were burned.
It's the rest of us have moved on.
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What's with all the aethist ???
What's wrong with GOD?!?! :'( :'(
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What's with all the aethist ???
What's wrong with GOD?!?! :'( :'(
Same thing that was "wrong" with Zeus. Of course, if you want to believe in it, that's fine. I won't whine "what's wrong with rationality, waaah". It's your business so long as you don't try to force others to believe what you do.
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I know I've taught children who come from families where religious belief is listed as non-denominational - is that just code for atheist?-
not in yanktown it ain't - although what's the surprise there?, since the u.s. has a preponderance of the 'more-christian-than-thou' malaise.
no, 'nondenominational', at least in the context of christianity, and if it is applied to any other religion(s) i'm presuming a similar interpretation, is basically as close as they get to unitarian and/or universalist. by eschewing putting a sect title before 'christian', they tend to claim a more 'pure' spiritual ground. ("we're simply christians! all the dogma we need is right here in this massive and oft-ambiguous collection of ancient scripture!")
according to the basic principle of these folks, for example, luther may have had a point, but what is so christ-like about naming our spiritual practices after one mortal man? or one mortal concept? so they're the 'fundies', the impossible-to-debate fundamentalists who overlap with the greedheads of the televanglism circuit (now what's THAT industry like Down Under? most of my family (melbourne, sydney, kybong QLD) is entirely non-churchy, and the corner that is churchy, fundamentalist in fact (they're in wodonga VIC), would never rely on tv for their doctrine (not that they have anything against tv, in fact they have a healthy minimalist attitude towards it)
i haven't even gone back a page yet. don't make me dredge! but first - the voice!