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Posted by: Reverendratbastard
« on: October 08, 2004, 12:17:38 PM »

Quote from: BigRob on May 03, 2004, 10:34:05 PM
more patient and perhaps a little kinder than his son. The Roenall attempt to take over the keep is perfectly legal, at least if Nalia doesn't get the PC to run it. Even then, Lord Roenall thinks that the PC and/or Nalia have cheated him out of something that is rightfully his. Not very nice, but not completely evil either.

  since we're going by the way things stand, not talking about changing what was already in the game...
 
  he IS evil.  it's official.  so sure, he can be patient, and joke, but i'm thinking it's neutral evil with lawful tendencies.  or maybe vice versa - depends on choice made regarding isaea's upbringing, independence, etc... how far did the apple fall from the tree, or is it still hanging?
Posted by: BigRob
« on: May 03, 2004, 10:34:05 PM »

Having played that bit just the other day, I get the impression that Nalia isn't offended by Lord Roenall's comment and that her response is joking. I also get the impression that Lord Roenall is more patient and perhaps a little kinder than his son. The Roenall attempt to take over the keep is perfectly legal, at least if Nalia doesn't get the PC to run it. Even then, Lord Roenall thinks that the PC and/or Nalia have cheated him out of something that is rightfully his. Not very nice, but not completely evil either.

I think that the Roenalls offend Nalia by being completely unaware/unsympathetic to the plight of the people below them, rather than by being overtly cruel. Nalia's aunt is like this, not cruel, just unsympathetic. Just after the funeral Nalia thinks that Isaea is cruel, but doesn't think that he's capable of criminal activity.

Remember the trouble she has articulating her dislike of Isaea, so she might also be trapped a bit by the social graces she's learned.
Posted by: jcompton
« on: May 03, 2004, 08:26:28 PM »

NALIAJ 103 is not voiced, but I happen to agree that it's very easy to "hear it in your head."
Posted by: neriana
« on: May 03, 2004, 08:07:44 PM »

Quote from: Mongoose87 on May 03, 2004, 08:06:26 PM
I could have sworn that line was voiced and that she laughed while she said it.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought that. Jason, can you shed some light on this?
Posted by: Mongoose87
« on: May 03, 2004, 08:06:26 PM »

I could have sworn that line was voiced and that she laughed while she said it.
Posted by: Kish
« on: May 03, 2004, 07:00:34 PM »

Quote from: neriana on May 03, 2004, 06:47:17 PM
In any case, I still think it's a joke-flirt conversation. She gets along quite well with Lord Roenall until the whole Keep fiasco.
She doesn't have a single kind word to say about any Roenal, ever.  Before you ever have a chance to meet Farthington, she tells you she hates them as the embodiment of everything she detests about nobles--no exceptions, no "but the head of the family is kind of okay."

Looking at the conversation in Near Infinity (the dialogue branch where the PC didn't take over the Keep), it does appear Farthington is oddly out of the loop wrt his family having taken over the Keep against Nalia's will, but that makes no sense at all with his actions if the PC does take over the Keep.  It could easily be sloppy Bioware writing, of course.
Posted by: neriana
« on: May 03, 2004, 06:47:17 PM »

Hm. How odd. I just checked Nalia's file, and it appears that line isn't voiced. I could have sworn it was...

In any case, I still think it's a joke-flirt conversation. She gets along quite well with Lord Roenall until the whole Keep fiasco. Like Jason said, it's society flirting; neither of them is serious. "You are a positive cad" is a very "flirty" thing to say, sort of like "Ooh, you awful awful man". Their conversation also continues on a perfectly amicable note.
Posted by: Kish
« on: May 03, 2004, 06:32:49 PM »

I have no memory of it being indicated that Nalia is laughing when she says, "Lord Roenal, you are a positive cad!"  I could be wrong, of course.
Posted by: neriana
« on: May 03, 2004, 06:31:20 PM »

I agree with Jason. Nalia's tone of voice, and the fact that she's laughing, make it pretty obvious that she's had this joking/flirting type of conversation with Farthy before. Neither of them is serious.
Posted by: jcompton
« on: May 03, 2004, 12:43:02 PM »

Even if the PC's running the keep at the time... the father is a little swifter and a little more patient than the son.
Posted by: BevH
« on: May 03, 2004, 12:33:56 PM »

I agree with Jason.  At the time he remarks to Nalia, everything is just peachy.  Nalia's been promised to his son, so he thinks the keep is his anyway.  And he's talking to Nalia as his future daughter-in-law I'm sure.  It's not until the PC takes over the keep that "Farthy" gets testy.
Posted by: jcompton
« on: May 03, 2004, 10:34:26 AM »

I see nothing inconsistent about "Call me 'Farthy', and be a nice girl and give me your Keep."
Posted by: Kish
« on: May 03, 2004, 10:30:47 AM »

That perspective on Farthington and Nalia's relationship with him would seem hard to reconcile with his trying to conquer the Keep.
Posted by: jcompton
« on: May 03, 2004, 10:18:35 AM »

I'm just going to reiterate here that I'm quite certain she's joking. It's society flirting, people. It's like saying to the hostess of your dinner party "So where's that bum who has the gall to call himself your husband?" and her saying "Why, good sir, I should turn the dogs on you for that comment!" all done with big smiles and fluttering eyelashes.
Posted by: Kish
« on: May 03, 2004, 10:04:15 AM »

I don't think she's joking with Farthington, but I do think that her indignation likely comes from that fact that he is 1) a married man, 2) old enough to be her father, and 3) subscribes to the idea that she's engaged (to his son, yet), none of which apply to the PC.