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Posted by: Borsook
« on: December 10, 2005, 05:58:28 AM »

The only reason Moongaze was given any real discussion here is that someone who is quoted in my siggy insisted that it should be.

Nope, he never called for a discussion on the issue, he just asked why the PPG staff hadn't started ranting and raving over it, given their apparent desire to inflict their particular style of moderation on all others.  As has been said countless times in this thread already.
As you well know Nightmare asking why something is not done may be perceived (even if here wrongly) as the sign that the speaker would want it done. e.g. "Why isn't the goverment fighting unemployement?" Hence I do not believe you should hold such an interpretation of your questions against anyone.
Posted by: NiGHTMARE
« on: December 10, 2005, 05:26:58 AM »

The only reason Moongaze was given any real discussion here is that someone who is quoted in my siggy insisted that it should be.

Nope, he never called for a discussion on the issue, he just asked why the PPG staff hadn't started ranting and raving over it, given their apparent desire to inflict their particular style of moderation on all others.  As has been said countless times in this thread already.
Posted by: Kanain
« on: December 10, 2005, 05:07:07 AM »

The only reason I registered here was because I wanted an identity other than "guest" when discussing the (still) upcoming de'Arnise mod.  Back then I figured I would be more active than .036 posts per day, though.   ;)  In any event, I didn't register to obtain any special options.  Perhaps that's just me and my desire for individuality.....
Posted by: Sikret
« on: December 10, 2005, 03:43:38 AM »

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This isn't really a conscious choice to encourage guests to join. I think it's a matter of security. Members can only edit their own posts. With guests, you run into the problem of matching which posts they wrote with permissions. Essentially, for guests to be able to edit their posts, they'd also be able to edit the posts of other people, which really is anarchy.

Good point! So it was something inevitable.

In any event, my point was that some meaningful and significant differences between the options available to registered members and guests are needed; otherwise, registration will turn to be pointless. For example, the fact that guests cannot send PMs is good, though my experience shows that it is hardly adequate.
Posted by: Borsook
« on: December 10, 2005, 01:59:28 AM »

@Blood Raven: No one thinks you did anything wrong.  And regarding Moongaze's suspension it seems to me that most readers grant that this was not a black and white issue.  The only reason Moongaze was given any real discussion here is that someone who is quoted in my siggy insisted that it should be.  For what it's worth, I think you did the right thing in letting someone else handle the matter.
And it wasn't me. Nor... Jcondom???????????? Oh, bloody hell... I've not noticed it before....

That said I don't see anything wrong in talking about Moongaze, freedom of speech and all that. Argument "it's CoM business" so don't talk about it seems a bit streched.
Posted by: Drew
« on: December 09, 2005, 08:03:44 PM »

@Blood Raven: No one thinks you did anything wrong.  And regarding Moongaze's suspension it seems to me that most readers grant that this was not a black and white issue.  The only reason Moongaze was given any real discussion here is that someone who is quoted in my siggy insisted that it should be.  For what it's worth, I think you did the right thing in letting someone else handle the matter.
Posted by: Dark Raven
« on: December 09, 2005, 07:44:05 PM »

Why the hell are we still blabbering on about Moongaze is if it's anyone elses busniness? It's not, really get over it. I didn't ban him personally, even though I could have, but if I did it would look like I did on personal reasons. I asked for someone else to deal with the situation and someone else did. Ask Icelus, he has access to our admin & mod room private discussion and seen our discussions on Moongaze. Moongazes ban was out of my hands.
Posted by: Bex
« on: December 09, 2005, 02:34:13 PM »

I wouldn't be a member of any modding forums at all if I didn't like playing mods. Forums are for comments on said mods, bug reports, and occasional interdrama. All of which I can technically do as a guest, provided I'm allowed.

If I have to register to report something minor or say "good job," I might not bother. Having forum accounts I don't use regularly bugs me.

When you're not logged in, you can't search or view profiles or anything, so more intensive forum action does require that you register anyway.

Uhh... I believe my initial intent in posting in this thread again was to say "screw modding the forums, get back to modding the games."
Posted by: Bons
« on: December 09, 2005, 02:29:02 PM »

I'm not sure if you are a modder, but we can safely agree that, with the exception of Bons (heh), most of us would prefer it if whoever wanted to make changes to our Mod come to ask. I for one would be very glad to entertain PMs on typos in my Mod, and grammar errors, and improving characterisations of Bioware NPCs.

If I didn't make it clear that I would prefer people to communicate with me and get my permission, otherwise they are risking my wrath, then I need to revise my statement. :)  It's just my wrath would not include BANING.

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They will also register once they realize that they cannot edit their posts as guests.

Yes, this is a good limitation which may encourage guests to register. My point was that some limitations are needed to make a meaningful difference between members and guests to encourage people to join and to make them potential members.

This isn't really a conscious choice to encourage guests to join. I think it's a matter of security. Members can only edit their own posts. With guests, you run into the problem of matching which posts they wrote with permissions. Essentially, for guests to be able to edit their posts, they'd also be able to edit the posts of other people, which really is anarchy.
Posted by: Ashara
« on: December 09, 2005, 01:41:50 PM »

Hey, I registered on the old FWP because JC told me to. Otherwise I still would have been a Guest.  :pirate
Posted by: Borsook
« on: December 09, 2005, 01:37:35 PM »

Hear! Hear!  :)
Posted by: Lu
« on: December 09, 2005, 01:03:31 PM »

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Yes, this is a good limitation which may encourage guests to register. My point was that some limitations are needed to make a meaningful difference between members and guests to encourage people to join and to make them potential members
   I'm terribly sorry to disagree, but I sorta fail to see why JC or the rest of the best, like Sim and Ghrey, save the whole of the community should spend their time on luring more members by developing any means other than simply trying to make the forum better
 And the latter is the only what actually counts, I believe
Posted by: Sikret
« on: December 09, 2005, 12:36:59 PM »

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They will also register once they realize that they cannot edit their posts as guests.

Yes, this is a good limitation which may encourage guests to register. My point was that some limitations are needed to make a meaningful difference between members and guests to encourage people to join and to make them potential members.
Posted by: Sikret
« on: December 09, 2005, 12:31:08 PM »

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You also mentioned that you consider all guests spammers.

Perhaps some communication failure has happened in this regard, because what I said (or meant to say) was that "it is my default assumption for every guest that he is not a spammer (as far as he has not shown the opposite)."
Posted by: Zyraen
« on: December 09, 2005, 09:57:53 AM »

Jester:

Action was justified, I feel (again, my opinion, not being CoM Staff or anything). The effectiveness of the measure, of course, is something else.

Given how it might be a blow to Moongaze's views on him being still welcome at CoM, OR a wake-up call for him to improve himself, it might be effective in keeping him or future trouble from him at bay. But for a generic, non-specific case, I would be tempted to agree with you that such measures are not very effective.