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Posted by: Reduan
« on: May 31, 2010, 01:03:15 PM »

sorry for my english but a few ideas:

1. romance with vampire? :o she will see PC as delicious FOOD, she can have "romantic" interest in PC but only to get herself to his divine blood (vampire concubine in Saradush). So some adult content would be apropriate in my opinion... it could be even interesting posibility to kill PC if he is not strong enough to prevent her from taking too much blood. ;)

2. redemption/romantic possibility if PC developed romantic interest but possible only AFTER killing her mistress Bodhi and "saving" her from vampirism, but what for??? you want bloody vampire in your party do you not? This is going against orinal intent of Westley Weimer. Cant all be like Viconia.

3. Vampires are craving for pleasures of life: blood(food), hunt(excitement) and sex(not necesarilly). If PC is not capable to ensure this for her... she should have VERY delicious meal next party rest. ;D 

Posted by: the bigg
« on: February 06, 2010, 09:22:52 AM »

in b4 twilight
Posted by: -kamui-
« on: February 06, 2010, 09:09:07 AM »

Well dont want to dig old topics, but well... people have done this a LOT HERE NO!!! :)

But now lets go for what matter:


Buffy & Angel... Buffy & Spike... (dont give a damn if u like or not the serie, its just an example) Lestat on his 2 movies (on book we have 3 storys, no prejudgement here but the 3° book is a gay party so i dont read that one, look i m not anti-gay but lets say its not in my interest list ok), well the name of the 1° one i dont know in english, in Brasil is Entrevista com o Vampiro, what u can translate in Vampire's Inerview, the second the damned queen, and other millions of vampires strories, books, novels and etc...

Want to know what they all have in common? Romance, Sex, and lust... ALL of them have... I never found a vampire history with no sex, lust or seduction, if any1 know 1 please tell me... lets go back a little more, the father of all vampires stories "Dracula from Bram Stoker", the 3 sisters? a bit more recent source... "Vampire the masquerade", so the next time a dumb want to come to say "Vampires don't love, romance or make sex", just try to understand that the psychological concept of a vampire is lust, romance and sex, just becouse Dungeons & Dragons dont make a deep study on the psychological side of his monsters list, that doesn't mean the ppl who mod the game have to do the same, becouse in my point of view, play along with a vampire ind D&D is already a huge break of rules of the roleplay game, and in comparison with that, add a romance is nothing.

But well, play as a godchild and end the game becoming a god is not exactly common on a D&D game no? kill Dragons as u kill goblins on the end of the game isn't to normal no? rip Drittz apart and put fear in the heart of Elminstein isn't what i call to of a balanced game, but hey BG is not made to be a basic game, and for that i REALLY LOVE THIS GAME.


That's all i have to say :)
Posted by: Chaos
« on: January 09, 2008, 12:42:25 AM »

Okay, I recently started playing BG2 again, and I felt determined to use some mods, and came across the Valen mod. I've used it before, and I liked Valen well enough, so now I'm gonna offer my own opinion.

I think that 'Mith the Godling' has some valid points. But in my own opinion, I also think that a Valen romance SHOULD be included. And here are my reasons (written from my views of ALWAYS playing a good-aligned character. Only once have I ever played an evil character):

1: One of the most prominent arguments against a Valen romance is that, to have Valen, everyone assumes you have to be evil. This is NOT the case. I was actually playing a good party that had Valen in it. Here's how I logic that out: The Shadow Thieves are a notorious criminal organization, and they haven't offered much basis for trust, while circumstances might render your character ignorant of the situation (a lot of the time I played the game, I didn't even witness a fight between the guilds).

2: A vampire romance would certainly be interesting, and if there are so many who don't want it, it could be included as a seperate add-on for the standard mod.

3: Sometimes, you just can't control who you end up falling for. Alternatively, it could start off with something like Valen attempting to seduce the PC to gain small 'samples' of his/her divine blood, but with the PC (having realized his/her mistake in siding with Bodhi) showing remorse or something, and talking to Valen about this. Remember what happens when someone is turned into a vampire. Who's to say that Valen didn't used to be a good person before becoming a vampire? Unlike with liches, vampirism CAN be forced onto an unwilling victim. The redemption thing could be a reflection of her thinking on a good PCs words, and remembering things before. I wouldn't make her 'good' aligned, but 'neutral' (like Viconia), at least partially reflecting on a conflicted nature: wanting to be good, but having near-uncontrollable instincts and urges towards evil acts.

Anyways, these are just some ideas of mine. And for the record: YES I AM a certifiable lunatic. And I'm probably gonna get some people cussing me out or something over my crazy (and perhaps somewhat stupid) idea, but I just felt the need to offer my opinion.

Also, regarding the discussion of good/evil and the concept that a single 'evil' act makes you an evil person: Some people can't control themselves when they lose their temper (look at Minsc. In his rage, he can actually start attacking other party members!). Again, just offering my own opinion.
Posted by: Kulyok
« on: April 02, 2007, 11:32:48 AM »

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Man, do your thing.  Do what you feel is right!

Heh, that's ready signature material.

Valen Expansion is developed here.
Posted by: wingedwolf
« on: April 02, 2007, 11:26:33 AM »

In recent literature, Vampires are romantic.  They're sexy.  I think you could have a relationship with her, but I don't think it would be a normal romance. 
She now plays as the eternal servant, and all she wants in return is for you to sic her on prey.  I mean look at the commands that are given to her.  A twisted semi-romance could work if it was written well.  You don't write well when you don't know what you are talking about.  Man, do your thing.  Do what you feel is right!
Posted by: Mith the Godling
« on: February 24, 2007, 09:46:36 PM »




Okay, alot of people are saying how they want a romance for Valen because, well a cool character like her should have one right? Well, no. You see, the reason is that she is a cold blooded killer. And not just your insane, emotionally unbalanced run of the mill killer. She's in fact, closer to a force of nature in herself. That's really what her life is dedicated to, a concept of hunting and killing. She follows her instinct.

However, I will agree that there is something missing for the mod, though it isn't a romance per say, but rather more of a banter issue. The fact of the matter is that she's a vampire and the main character his basicly a half-god. To top it all off, its the son (daughter) of the Lord of Murder. The very nature that Valen followes. And yet, I don't really see any focus on that. She should be attracted to that blood and we should be seeing her trying to get a few nibbles here and there from both the main character and Imoen (as well as other Bhaalspawn. She should target them first after giving some dialogue. To her, that blood is better than sex. It is her sex in a way. Now, people are going to want a romance with a large focus on this. But the thing is that she wouldn't be interested in romance or love. She just wants the blood. A nibble. The problem isn't really with the character here, but the fact that a possibility that in realistic scenario would occur isn't at all being adressed. A bhaalspawn would be attracted to her for her looks and the fact that she's in a way, much like him as far as having strong instincts. And she would of course in turn be trying to get some of that blood.

Now, the thing is that I think a more flirt based addition should be added. She might cuddle up to the character (or Imoen), even make out with them, but only long enough to get the blood she wants. After she gets that, she's done. But beyond flirting, the realtionship can't go anywhere because one night with he would end up with you dead. Basicly, add in a small flirt addition to it, but it can only go up to a point where it has to stop because its a very unhealthy habit for both of the two sides. Valen is becoming addicted and the Bhaalspawn is falling for her. Then it should perhaps focus more on a buddy kind of thing.

And really, its the whole common ground that they share which must have more light shed upon it, much more so than flirting or romance. Valon should envy the Bhaalspawn, almost to the point of worship. She should be more inclined to listen to the player or the Imoen just because of that fact alone. She should be talking to them about their taint. That is what I think is really missing from her. If you can get that down, and just that, I'd think that it would serve better than any romance. A romance should be adressed with the character, but ultimatly, it wouldn't work out. That's just facts based on how she acts. She only lusts for blood and she really doesn't care about anything else for the most part.

As for Redemption...no. Just no. She isn't Drizzt. Edwin and Korgan are evil and no one wants to turn them, mainly because they're much better at being evil than anything else. Edwin would really be as dull as paste because he's based of an egotistical jerk. Same with Valen. Players would finally turn her to the light and five minutes later they would be wondering why the hell did they do it in the first place. Redemption is a realistic possbility, but its very unlikely and really shouldn't even be taken into consideration. Because the only way for a vampire to redeem itself is to go to the closest temple of Illmater and commit suicide.

And that, is my two cents.

Posted by: Prine
« on: January 01, 2006, 11:39:24 AM »

There's really way too many different myths about vampires to say with certainty that x should apply and y should not, etc.

As far as AD&D vampires go, the only supplement I've read that covered them in any real detail was the Van Richten's Guide.  It's designed for the Ravenloft campaign setting, so whether the information is applicable to vampires outside of Ravenloft could be debated, but Van Richten seems to think that there's little practicable difference in mentality and physiology between a vampire and a human.  Read the bride and groom section under "Relations Between Vampires" for an exerpt on vampires and hormones which somehow doesn't sit very well with me.  But yes, vampires are certainly undead, they are corpses animated and preserved by negative energy.

Maybe a romance that terminates with Valen vampirising the PC, thus killing him and ending the game.  Haha.  Ooh, maybe wake up and all the party members except Valen are perma-dead, and if you don't want to let her kill you you have to fight her to the death.  Nice little downward spiral of completely hosing your game.  That'll teach you to screw with vampires.   ;D
Posted by: irenicus
« on: December 02, 2005, 05:57:25 PM »

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Anyone watching any vampire movies with a bit of knowledge on the way? I'd love to find out the truth, are Vampires really dead or not

about d&d vampires i may know little
but there's a book called "Van Richten’s Guide to the Vampires" published by tsr back in 1991. I treat it as a book, not a manual. its a nice book.


-chews lip thinking- hmmm ill see if lord louis has one

(lord louis - name of our libary)
Posted by: Meddle.
« on: December 01, 2005, 08:32:33 PM »

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Anyone watching any vampire movies with a bit of knowledge on the way? I'd love to find out the truth, are Vampires really dead or not

about d&d vampires i may know little
but there's a book called "Van Richten’s Guide to the Vampires" published by tsr back in 1991. I treat it as a book, not a manual. its a nice book.
Posted by: Borsook
« on: December 01, 2005, 01:48:32 PM »

But, if I understand this correctly, Vampires shouldn't be called true Undead, more on the brink of it. I heard they're somewhere between life and death, but still not sure, since there are countless of tales.

Anyone watching any vampire movies with a bit of knowledge on the way? I'd love to find out the truth, are Vampires really dead or not?
I'm not talking here from D&D perspective - but yes they're dead. They have to lose their life in order to gain the "unlife". They die, got buried and then rise from the tomb. And so they do every night, during the day they're not "asleep", they're dead to all apperances (that's why you can nail/burn them then and they won't notice)
Posted by: irenicus
« on: December 01, 2005, 01:17:53 PM »

But, if I understand this correctly, Vampires shouldn't be called true Undead, more on the brink of it. I heard they're somewhere between life and death, but still not sure, since there are countless of tales.

Anyone watching any vampire movies with a bit of knowledge on the way? I'd love to find out the truth, are Vampires really dead or not?

whell i think vampires must be somewhat in a divine line since as they are doing unnatrual things, they have cheated death to become a "maiden of the night" as it where, or man of the night, but whatever, they turn into bats but can only be killed by stakes, and holy water

what I think vampires are are spirits, wraiths un avenged spirits, as it where, and by using a stake (wood from mother nature OUR world) and holy water (water from our holy virgin mother, sorry if you dont support this this is afterall, just an opinion) is banishing it from our world, the reasons guns wouldnt work as there fake, there not so special as and not true mother-nature within. i belive using things of mother nature (i dont belive in garlic helps) will say basically "sod of we dont want you here" and in a way say they cannot avenge themselves or something, sunlight i belive is just because if they want revenge they are dark of heart, so they must remain in the dark, and they are spirits, you cant see them well in the light
so my conclusion is there unavenged spirits, who are so angry with want for revenge and o make everyone suffer as them they become "vampires'

ok thats just an opinion you may alllook at me oddly now
Posted by: Hide and Seek
« on: December 01, 2005, 12:41:35 PM »

But, if I understand this correctly, Vampires shouldn't be called true Undead, more on the brink of it. I heard they're somewhere between life and death, but still not sure, since there are countless of tales.

Anyone watching any vampire movies with a bit of knowledge on the way? I'd love to find out the truth, are Vampires really dead or not?
Posted by: Grim Squeaker
« on: December 01, 2005, 02:33:33 AM »

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Wait, since when do vampires, male or female, not have sex drives?
Um... since they die? Seriously, there's not so much erotic in a piece of dead flesh that only regular infusions of fresh blood can prevent from quick and imminent decay. The infamous "sex appeal" of vampires is nothing more than way to hypnotically lure their victims into submission. Since sexual instinct is one of the strongest and hard to resist in a *living* human being, no wonder that it makes for a convenient tool. It's not like vampires really *feel* erotically themselves.

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Being evil doesn't mean being devoid of hormones.
But being dead usually does.

(Not that I'm supporting a Valen Romance but...) Being dead also prevents you walking around and talking as well.
Posted by: Kir
« on: December 01, 2005, 01:17:51 AM »

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Wait, since when do vampires, male or female, not have sex drives?
Um... since they die? Seriously, there's not so much erotic in a piece of dead flesh that only regular infusions of fresh blood can prevent from quick and imminent decay. The infamous "sex appeal" of vampires is nothing more than way to hypnotically lure their victims into submission. Since sexual instinct is one of the strongest and hard to resist in a *living* human being, no wonder that it makes for a convenient tool. It's not like vampires really *feel* erotically themselves.

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Being evil doesn't mean being devoid of hormones.
But being dead usually does.