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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2004, 01:17:05 AM »
I got a fair few comments from people noting that this theme tended to favor more serious, or at least less-jokey creations. Is this generally considered a Good Thing?
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2004, 01:23:00 AM »
As I just said in chat, yes.  I had lots of fun in IM1 and 2, but the fact that I want to actually improve on my entry for IM3 probably adds weight to the pro-serious faction.

Not to say humour mods are no fun, though.  As the creator or co-creator of Goo, Turnip Golem, Kelsey, GhreySlimes, and my blatant theft of DWARFBAR, I can probably claim to be one of the premiere makers of sucktastic joke mods. :)
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2004, 01:46:15 AM »
Here's another question.

One well-regarded modder who has never graced Iron Modder with his consideration (let's call him "Bestley") says that he believes the themes should be more single-word concepts (such as "honor", "disgrace", "antagonism") rather than the phrases they have been because he feels the phrases are too limiting.

Now, personally, I think the themes as they have been written have an awful lot of wiggle room to explore a lot of different concepts, not just one. But am I missing something here? Is Mr. "Beimer" expressing the view of a silent majority?
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2004, 01:53:45 AM »
I don't really agree. Concepts like that are so wide that one could do virtually anything with them. I far prefer the themes as they are now.

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2004, 02:11:36 AM »
Part of the challenge for me is coming up with an idea for a mod that fits the theme, which is quite a good bit of the fun.  If it's just one word, I can do basically anything I want, and if that's what I want to do... well, I can do that at any time, and we all know how motivated I am to do stuff that could take more than four hours.
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2004, 02:57:11 AM »
You like this?
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I don't :/ Thar screwed up BG II DVD ver. screwed up my mod (yep.. it worked on this on, but crash on the old one :) )
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2004, 03:01:44 AM »
I got a fair few comments from people noting that this theme tended to favor more serious, or at least less-jokey creations. Is this generally considered a Good Thing?


I don't know.   I thought I'd throw out a really zany creation for its pure entertainment value as Ghrey did in the first contest, hehe... but apparently I am the only one still  laughing at the contents ;D    You announced the theme, and I was sitting at my computer eating Hershey's Kisses... and BAM (literally... I had to make three ;) ) the theme made perfect sense.  I am looking forward to playing the other entries.

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2004, 03:07:57 AM »
I got a fair few comments from people noting that this theme tended to favor more serious, or at least less-jokey creations. Is this generally considered a Good Thing?
Well, you know I support stuff that can produce playable rather than one-time results. And yes, this one did. Apart from the gender bending and spectacular continuity error that the judges didn't pick up, Ghrey's was a fairly serious idea.

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2004, 05:49:42 AM »
I think any of the IM themes could have been taken and made into a serious mod.  Blue's "Last Mug of Ale" entry was certainly serious.  My first thought for this theme was certainly "ooh, drama!" but then I quickly realized that I couldn't pull it off so went for light humor instead.  My original plan was for Korgan to "kiss" Mazzy with his axe, but I couldn't bring myself to do it.

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2004, 06:09:54 AM »
One well-regarded modder who has never graced Iron Modder with his consideration (let's call him "Bestley") says that he believes the themes should be more single-word concepts (such as "honor", "disgrace", "antagonism") rather than the phrases they have been because he feels the phrases are too limiting.

If we're being Iron Chef  purists, this is a valid point. Kitchen Stadium would have a "Peach" Battle, rather than a "You're A Peach" Battle. In the case of "Some of My Best Friends Are Slimes," I don't think the entries would have been vastly different if the theme had simply been "Slime." In IM3, a theme of "Kiss" or "Dying" would have yielded different results than tag-teaming the concepts like "A Kiss Before Dying." A phrase can be a limiting qualifier, yes, but I don't think it's too limiting. After all, two times in a row, everyone's skipped/missed what you expected to be the obvious implementation choices, so there must be some wriggling room.
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2004, 07:06:36 AM »
The oh so witty NotMrT feels there was something funny about the results.  http://forums.forgottenwars.net/index.php?showtopic=8166
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2004, 08:52:51 AM »
Thank you, everyone, though, as I said last night on chat just before tactfully slipping away--to me, personally, Originality counts for just a little bit more, so, in my mind, Bons is the true winner.

But I like hats, so I will gleefully don the one offered to me by the Iron Pirate. :D
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2004, 09:22:56 AM »
Thank you, everyone, though, as I said last night on chat

can someone explain the chat thing to me because I seem to be wholly incapable of getting it to work :-\
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2004, 10:03:40 AM »
Congrats Bons and Icelus!

That said, I have to admit, ties leave a bad taste in my mouth.  The Iron Chef doesn't allow them, even though the judges are tired and stuffed and can barely see straight for all the sweet potato fritters, sweet potato gumbo and sweet potato kabobs they've endured.   We should have a tie-breaker!  I realize it's impractical and a lot of work and I'll be shouted down but it's just the way I feel.   
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2004, 10:22:12 AM »
Congrats Bons and Icelus!

Yes and I second that tie-breaker thingy. :D...., because you can get more glory and we another modlet. :)
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2004, 10:24:50 AM »
The oh so witty NotMrT feels there was something funny about the results.  http://forums.forgottenwars.net/index.php?showtopic=8166
You wouldn't mind qouteing this, since it seems inaccesible to me.
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2004, 10:31:23 AM »
There isn't even a tip-of-the-hat to IM on FWMC. Perhaps Kismet linked us to that one and only thread, which seems to have disappeared. (Gotta love the way controversial topics are handled over there--they don't get locked, they disappear entirely.)

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2004, 10:37:03 AM »
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(Gotta love the way controversial topics are handled over there--they don't get locked, they disappear entirely.)
I actually think people get a lot of leeway over there. Perhaps just some minor mishap, but what was it about? I do not read a lot about competitions from other boards at any board so there should not be to much behind this.

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2004, 10:37:26 AM »
And quite a tip of the hat it was, 30-odd posts by the people who actually run the place accusing me of rigging it.
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2004, 10:38:24 AM »
Ghreyfain's fate reminds me that we are but worms before the might of technology.

Or worms who forget they live down the street from internet cafes. :)
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2004, 10:42:17 AM »
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Or worms who forget they live down the street from internet cafes.
:D :D

Rigging a contest that has no price money? What's the point? I am at a loss here.
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2004, 10:43:58 AM »
Congratulations Icelus and Bons, I'll be sure to get a look at your entries. Commiserations Ghrey, maybe next time you'll reclaim your throne and hat? :)

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2004, 10:52:44 AM »
Speaking of next time, when the 4th Iron Modder will be?  8)

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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2004, 11:10:37 AM »
I'm accepting suggestions. Especially given the rather unusual outcome of the contest I'm tempted to schedule the next one relatively soon... say, mid/late July. But it's important to know how much time contestants feel they need to recharge, and for those who missed this one or haven't yet participated, what would suit them best.
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Re: Iron Modder 3 Discussion
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2004, 11:11:53 AM »
And well done Pirengle, for becoming a m0ddar!  ;D

of course, it does mean pirengle no longer has a soul  ;)
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