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Offline jcompton

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Flirt Pack FAQ
« on: April 01, 2004, 01:39:35 AM »
FAQ

Q: I have the Concurrent Romance/Multiromance patch installed, and--

A: I don't care. Multiromance scripts tend to be fraught with problems and run
totally counter to the purpose of the flirt packs anyway, which is to make the
romances individually satisfying.


Q: Hey! They're not flirting in SOA! What's wrong?

A: Probably nothing. Aerie and Viconia will not flirt until after their fourth
LOVETALK (LoveTalk=8). Jaheira will not flirt until just before or just after
her sixth LOVETALK (LoveTalk=12). Anomen won't flirt until after his fifth
LOVETALK, and then has a series of crabby conversations with the PC, so he
doesn't pick up again until after LT 16. They also will not flirt in the
Underdark, or after cross words have been exchanged, or they're obsessing over
some really heavy issues (Jaheira and the Harpers, late in her romance, between
LoveTalk=59 and =62, or Viconia at the various times she gets angry and
conflicted.)


Q: Hey! They aren't flirting in TOB! What's wrong?

A: Aerie won't flirt in TOB until after her second LOVETALK. Otherwise her
initial LOVETALKs didn't make a ton of sense. As of V0.81, we've added a
new response for her that makes this more clear. Similarly, Viconia won't flirt
in TOB until after her first LOVETALK.


Q: Hey, why does NPC X have more/more interesting flirts than NPC Y?

A: It's not a conspiracy. We wrote what we thought of, that seemed fun and
reasonable, for each NPC. We were not and are not trying to meet any sort
of "equality" for word count or flirt choices.


Q: But I really want to do XYZ to my favorite love interest! Why can't I?

A: Well, it's possible that we thought of it but didn't write it for
whatever reason--thought it was inappropriate, couldn't think of enough
interesting responses, felt we had plenty of other choices already. But you
can always make suggestions on the NPC Flirt forums at
http://forums.pocketplane.net and we will, at least, read your request.


Q: Is there a difference between evil and neutral Viconia in the flirt pack?

A: Yes, some of the flirt responses will be different if you "redeem" her. There
is also the prospect of getting a new epilogue for evil Viconia.


Q: Hey, I did ABC to my love interest and he/she responded in a manner that
is TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER for them! What gives?

A: Hmmm. Well, we do try our best to capture what we see as the spirit of
each NPC and their romance, but of course the nature of the flirt packs are
to put them in situations that aren't explicitly explored in Bioware's
writing. So you may not ALWAYS agree. If you still think something is
grievously out of character, you can always let us know and we may
address it in a future release.


Q: Hey, I liked the original Jaheira romance epilogue/the Jaheira romance
epilogue that comes with Ascension just fine. How can I still get it?

A: In the new conversation about your future, simply tell her that
"Things will work out as they always have." (get it? The way they always
have in the game thus far!)


Q: Hey! Anomen is saying lines I don't remember him saying in SOA!

A: We added a bit of script so that Anomen, immediately after he falls from the
Order, gets the new select/confirm lines that he normally gets in TOB if he's
not a knight.


Q: Hey! I don't think Anomen needs a new epilogue! How can I prevent it?

A: At present, Anomen has only one new epilogue available to him--if he is CN
and the PC chooses to ascend to godhood. Late in the game CN Anomen will
initiate a discussion about the future. If you wish to avoid the dialogue path
that could give him a new epilogue, tell him "The future will be what it always
has been." This will ensure that you see the Bioware (or Ascension) epilogue.


Q: Hey! I didn't get a new Jaheira romance epilogue at all! I got the old
one! Why?

A: Well, either you chose to ascend (we've left that epilogue alone), told
Jaheira that "Things will work out as they always have," or it's a bug.


Q: Hey! In your stupid new epilogue, Jaheira broke up with me! What gives?

A: Well, either your PC was a jerk when she asked about the future, or he
is an evil man, not the kind she wanted to spend the rest of her life with.


Q: Hey! I can't get this new Viconia epilogue! What's the problem?

A: You're probably not evil enough. You need to be REALLY bad news. You'll need
an evil or CN protagonist. You'll need to be a bad example--so, don't try to
redeem Viconia or anybody else, and don't help old ladies across the street. And
tell Viconia that you want to spend the rest of your mortality being bad news.


Q: Hey! My character had slept with Anomen before I installed the flirt pack but
the flirt options make it look like I turned him down! What happened?

A: Unlike with Aerie and Jaheira, the optional sex with Anomen is not tracked
by a variable. We had to add that variable. So in a saved game where you've
ALREADY reached that conversation with Anomen, the flirt pack assumes you didn't
take him up on his offer. This is a bit of a shame but it's the decision that
ensures nobody really misses anything.


Q: Hey! Wait a sec! Where's a new epilogue for a neutral Viconia?

A: Sorry, but there isn't one. Viconia's end may be sad but it is fitting.


Q: Hey! I'm getting this "One approaches" dialogue from Anomen, but nothing
happens!

A: This is actually a bug that can appear in an unmodified game. Use the console
to do
CLUAConsole:CreateCreature("Terl")
and press CTRL+I with Anomen standing close to Terl. (this may trigger other
party banters first, so be patient.)


Q: You can shave Anomen?

A: Yes, late in the SOA romance, in an inn.


Q: Anomen without the beard? Huh. Is it going to grow back or is it stuck this
way?

A: It'll grow back after a week of game-time.


Q: The Anomen flirt pack makes me like Anomen way more than Kelsey. Should I
tell Jason this, or say it aloud anywhere Jason might hear?

A: No.


Q: Y'all are pretty dirty-minded, it seems to me.

A: That's not a question.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2005, 11:35:44 PM by jcompton »
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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2004, 04:32:37 AM »
I have save game files for all three female npcs.  The only one that changes her flirt is Aerie.  s there anyway i cn make them say different things, or answer my flirts differently?  Ecept for kissing they answer the same every time.? :-X Also how long should the baby take to be born/is there a way to speed iit up?  And where Should Viconia change to neutral?  Thank you for your patience.

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2004, 09:06:28 AM »
You want this general romancing FAQ:

http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=310.0

It may SEEM like they're not changing their responses, especially since the reactions to some early flirts have just one or two possibilities, but rest assured, they are.
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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 04:41:21 PM »
Whenever i try to initate a flirt, the dialouge box comes up, with nothing in, and i have to click a random part of the box to exit it. what have i done wrong?

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2006, 04:23:06 AM »
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Q: Hey! Wait a sec! Where's a new epilogue for a neutral Viconia?
A: Sorry, but there isn't one. Viconia's end may be sad but it is fitting.

I never was quite sure about this. Thematically, it might be. But logically, I have my doubts. By the time of the epilogue, the character's a legend. Heck, even in SoA, the game had to actually force certain stupid actions on you and stretch the rules to actually get you where it wanted you (such as getting you to succumb to Irenicus in Spellhold). After ToB, you vanquished people after whom whole armies had been sent and were offered and turned down Godhood. You've been to hell and back and thwarted the plans of Bhaal himself. A servant of Lolth killing your loved one would a)be very hard to achieve (just how many assassins did you leave on the street in the saga?) and b)far from causing a crusade against the Drow would risk for the Bhaalspawn to strive and solve "the Lolth problem" on a more permanent basis.... It might be something that the cultists would do in response to a crusade, such as a "going down with a blaze of glory" thing, but while I don't doubt Lolth has lost a few marbles I think that by the time ToB is over, even the Spider Goddess will be reluctant to anger the Bhaalspawn. This is someone of a level that you either take out directly or die trying, but not something whose ire you want to wake.... especially to the extent where he is willing to go down himself as long as he takes you with him.

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2006, 04:32:57 AM »
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even the Spider Goddess will be reluctant to anger the Bhaalspawn

One is a god, the other is a mortal (wo)man.  I don't see much risk there.
"You alone can make my song take flight..."

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2006, 05:07:50 AM »
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even the Spider Goddess will be reluctant to anger the Bhaalspawn

One is a god, the other is a mortal (wo)man.  I don't see much risk there.

Ask Bhaal.

(In fact, a crusade in and of itself is a high risk, since the god draws a lot of power from the worshippers)
« Last Edit: March 15, 2006, 05:09:36 AM by Irmo »

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2006, 06:44:01 PM »
A mortal as powerful as the PC  might be able to wipe out Lolth's avatar, but, he couldn't actually kill Lolth on the prime material plane unless there was another Time of Troubles.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2006, 06:46:40 PM by Drew »
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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2006, 02:20:19 AM »
A mortal as powerful as the PC  might be able to wipe out Lolth's avatar, but, he couldn't actually kill Lolth on the prime material plane unless there was another Time of Troubles.

Like he said.
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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2006, 03:49:32 AM »
A mortal as powerful as the PC  might be able to wipe out Lolth's avatar, but, he couldn't actually kill Lolth on the prime material plane unless there was another Time of Troubles.

I spoke of a "more permanent solution", not necessarily of killing, though even that is a possibility through the right channels.
There's a variety of ways to severely inconvenience a God. And it's not as if Lolth doesn't have enemies among other Gods. In any case, the repercussions of such an act are in no relation to what can be gained from it. A significant reduction in the number of worshippers alone is a severe blow to power and especially for a God as hated by others as Lolth can, at an inopportune time, pose a huge problem -and a potentially lethal one. It's not as if other divine powers haven't tried to kill Lolth before. It's not as if the char wasn't without contacts in high places. On top of that, the theoretical second chance at godhood for the PC can't be ruled out categorically.

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2006, 07:42:05 AM »
A mortal as powerful as the PC  might be able to wipe out Lolth's avatar, but, he couldn't actually kill Lolth on the prime material plane unless there was another Time of Troubles.

I spoke of a "more permanent solution", not necessarily of killing, though even that is a possibility through the right channels.
There's a variety of ways to severely inconvenience a God. And it's not as if Lolth doesn't have enemies among other Gods. In any case, the repercussions of such an act are in no relation to what can be gained from it. A significant reduction in the number of worshippers alone is a severe blow to power and especially for a God as hated by others as Lolth can, at an inopportune time, pose a huge problem -and a potentially lethal one. It's not as if other divine powers haven't tried to kill Lolth before. It's not as if the char wasn't without contacts in high places. On top of that, the theoretical second chance at godhood for the PC can't be ruled out categorically.

However, most of those are simple inconveniences not serious problems.  A god and a mortal are on a completely different scale and there's no way  that a god should be scared of a mortal's actions.  This is like Chloe scaring Aran Linvail but on an infinitely more ridiculous level.
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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2006, 03:13:34 AM »
In Amber-Toril and a Planescape as a whole there is not that much gap between high-level mortals and gods. And a bhaalspawn is high-level and a part-time god, and may qualify as 0-level deity in times of ToB.

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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 03:56:37 PM »
yeah but you forget, that you did everything in SoA and ToB while you were still Bhaalspawn - after surrendering your essence you are just another mortal - no longer "part time god" :D

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2011, 05:36:59 PM »
When one relationship is over, with Viconia in my case, is it then possible to start flirting with say Jaheira or Aeire? I use the talk button to try to initiate flirting with either of them but its not working.

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2011, 12:10:48 AM »
It's possible if you either never included Aerie into the party before breaking with Viconia(Aerie only) or never shut down Jaheira/Aerie's romance. If you told either of the girls "it's over" or excluded Jaheira from the party for some reason, then, no, you've alienated them for good. There're still mod romances, though - check the modlist.

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Re: Flirt Pack FAQ
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2013, 01:55:00 PM »
Q: Is it compatible with BG2:EE?

A: Yes, thanks to Kaeloree, together with Banter Pack, Keto, Flirt Pack and numerous other mods.