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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2004, 05:12:58 PM »
Then again, just because a forum known for its odd policies actually has a decent one, is that any reason not to have a similar one?
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2004, 05:47:31 PM »
One won't work, and neither will two, because those're just more rules, and rules are pretty stupid things.  I prefer a thing called discretion.

 as they say in the old country: word.
 however, i felt mine was already repeatedly in question, even though i don't see anything particularly obstructive about any of my posts besides one that led simD astray and the 'his patience lasted' crack.  both of which i apologized for.  so i was starting to assume i needed help to fit into even further guidelines.

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highlight and summarize it for me, woudlja?

 "feeling trapped.  not obnoxious.  justify defending myself.  make this private if necessary?"

 but moving on:

 the torture WILL END.  two [even three] things are going to happen.
 1) i'm going to get a job, eventually.  less time to plague ye.
 2) i'm going to catch up on all of the old threads, eventually.  i'm down to 102 pages of topics (from 122 last week!).  and *zing* MOST of them are on boards where i wouldn't DARE 'open my mouth'!  joy!
 3) [further ahead] i'm going to end up stuck in with the learning of the coding for the modding.  thus my posts can only become more and more valid.  hypothetically.
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2004, 08:03:47 PM »
Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Ninny Bon!

And I'll get a job...some day...eventually...probably...

The easiest diagnosis for thread raisage would be "Can I add anything significant to the topic that will revive it?" If no, LET THE POOR THING REST
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2004, 08:44:08 PM »
While I understand the sentiment of, "Not more of this again!" on the veteran boardies side, I also understand the desire to share input not yet brought forth or ask questions not yet answered regarding old discussions. Some people just don't have the advantage of having been around for a particular discussion.

Through the generations the extremely ancient issues of religion, spirituality, and culture have not been resolved, but that doesn't mean people should stop talking about them, because there is always more that can be learned and gained from such discussions.

I don't think that just because someone got here later they don't deserve to share their input on a particular subject. As long as people are adding valid input to old threads, and old threads aren't clogging up the "unread posts" sections of the boards, I don't think it's something that's hard to ignore.

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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2004, 02:07:27 AM »
Which says nothing about "why". If every message board jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, should you?

As I said, it's simply considered good netiquette.  You don't usually go to a posh dinner party and ask your hosts why it's considered good etiquette to eat your meal with the cutlery provided rather than your hands, do you?
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bad netiquette, sorry folks, it won't last
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2004, 03:49:23 AM »
The easiest diagnosis for thread raisage would be "Can I add anything significant to the topic that will revive it?"

 see, if nobody responds i'm not going to get bent out of shape.  i'm not on a 'revival kick'.  that's kinda why i'm flummoxed as to why anyone is getting bent out of shape because of >when< i responded, whereas if there's no interest besides mine then, erm, it should blow over without them asking me to be less prolific...  shouldn't it? *turns around* *beholds Thread of Babel* ah.

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why it's considered good etiquette to eat your meal with the cutlery provided rather than your hands

 wow.  that's so, so, so oblique.  is this cutlery programmed to disintegrate in less than five months [oh sorry, i meant TWO WEEKS], though the same food is on the table, and it remains recognizable and even edible [if only to the great unwashed masses of indiscriminate newcomers]?   ::)
 
 time to fire off one of those hypothetical situations:
 a thread has not been posted in for several months.  it has not been locked.  it contains no posts that declare the topic resolved, moved, banned, or otherwise 'off limits'.
 
 someone who has just found this thread for the first time finds their curiosity aroused, and decides to raise their hand and babble a bit.

 some possible outcomes:
 a) this late, new post is completely ignored.  OMFG THE HORROR THE WASTE OF PRECIOUS SECONDS AND BYTES WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS TO ME A SECOND TIME THIS VERY DAY WILL I BE ABLE TO ENDURE THE STRAIN  :-Zzz
 b) someone decides to fill the poster in on what they overlooked, or weren't privy to in the first place.  learning experience? 8)
 c) someone decides to upbraid the poster for their 'lack of discretion' or perhaps some other rubric.  all well and good, until the third or fourth different angle of such upbraids, at which point poster begins to wonder wtf is up with the moratorium on curiosity.   :-X
 d) the discussion veers in a new direction.  hey, at least a whole new topic didn't have to be created.  or does it now?  ???
 e) someone who joined between original topic 'death' and new poster's stab finally decides they have something to say on the subject.  whee.
 and many more...
 is that it?  the danger of open-endedness? 
 if so, more locking.  or restrict my heinous spammy reflexes.
 if not, what's the worry?
« Last Edit: October 25, 2004, 05:24:20 AM by Reverendratbastard »
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2004, 04:56:46 AM »
I can see many valid points in your epic post. Perhaps some of the replies really were uncalled for as julwise suggested. Although I must admit that the Oranje thread may have been a bit pivotal as it already derailed a page further, everything had been said, and did not necessarily add to any further discussion we could not have slipped easily into any other thread, like this one. :D

For the sake of clarity it can sometimes even be better, if you offer a completely different tangent on a topic to make it a new thread and summarize, cite or link (to) the old one IMO. If a thread contains a couple of pages, chances are very high, nobody bothers to read through the whole thing and the posts are just reactions to the last few comments. (See the arguments at 'How Imoen raped Irenicus' or the other way round, I forgot).

From what I gather rereading this thread the answer is about a 100% no.
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2004, 05:35:58 AM »
. . . the Oranje thread . . . everything had been said, . . .
nesquaam gave you the gist of 'boven', i proposed getting thoroughly literal.  a small point.  sometimes small points interest me, and apparently under just the 'right' light that can be a darn shame.
 i fully admit to making a bigger deal out of the fact that anyone made any size deal over my having expended the energy to post there.  (compounded by other objection(s) to other post(s) elsewhere, presumably)

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If a thread contains a couple of pages, chances are very high, nobody bothers to read through the whole thing and the posts are just reactions to the last few comments.

 certainly.  if it's not implicit in the Subject or in the message immediately preceding my new blurting, i will insert a quote.

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From what I gather rereading this thread the answer is about a 100% no.

 'k, that's a wrap for me, and good morning everybody! <click>
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2004, 09:50:24 AM »
Which says nothing about "why". If every message board jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, should you?

As I said, it's simply considered good netiquette.  You don't usually go to a posh dinner party and ask your hosts why it's considered good etiquette to eat your meal with the cutlery provided rather than your hands, do you?

Actually, isn't silverware use learned? Babies don't come out of the womb and start eating with silverware instead of their hands. If children don't ask their parents why they should eat with silverware, it's because their parents are authority figures, not equals. "Because I said so," is an acceptable explination for parents, but not for moderators. Though ultimately they do have the final word on how their board should be conducted, they're not quite as all-mighty as mom and dad.

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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2004, 11:21:47 AM »
My point was that just as you should know what is typically expected of you in polite society, you should know what's typically expected of you on internet message boards.  Obviously you can feel free to go against the preconcieved expectations, just don't be suprised if you get flamed or even banned for it.

You don't need mods to tell you that you shouldn't post in outdated threads anyway - surely your own common sense should be enough?
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2004, 12:39:23 PM »
My point was that just as you should know what is typically expected of you in polite society, you should know what's typically expected of you on internet message boards.  Obviously you can feel free to go against the preconcieved expectations, just don't be suprised if you get flamed or even banned for it.

You don't need mods to tell you that you shouldn't post in outdated threads anyway - surely your own common sense should be enough?
You're willfully ignoring the question.  Why is it wrong to post in a thread which hasn't been posted to that month?  "Common sense supports me," ime, generally means the person writing it doesn't have an actual argument and just wants to be considered right anyway.
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2004, 12:59:44 PM »
Hmm, it's difficult to say, not everyone has that much experience with message boards, and different message boards can have widely varying rules. Not to mention that everyone has different standards of what is acceptable and what is not. I think it's fair to give everyone a chance to mess up once in a while and to explain to them why things should be done a certain way if they ask.

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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2004, 01:51:38 PM »
[You're willfully ignoring the question.  Why is it wrong to post in a thread which hasn't been posted to that month?  "Common sense supports me," ime, generally means the person writing it doesn't have an actual argument and just wants to be considered right anyway.
And you're willfully ignoring the fact it wasn't me who came up with this, not to mention placing words in my mouth and thoughts in my head that never even existed.  If you read my original post on the matter, you'd see I was merely pointing out my observations based on the various internet forums & message boards I visit/have visited - I never said whether it was right or wrong for this to be the case, whether I agreed or disagreed with it, that I knew why this happened the case, or anything else like that.  In fact, I even see to feel free to ignore it.

I was merely saying that this IS the case, at least in the case of the vast majority of the sites I've ever been to.  Since I never gave an opinion on the subject, merely pointed out a FACT, that means that only someone who's deliberately looking for an argument could in anyway construe it as one.  I had thought better of you than that :(.

Common sense is common sense.  If I were to tell you that you shouldn't go around sticking your fingers in electrical socket,s would I really have to explain to you why you shouldn't do that? You're not five years old so I'd normally assume that no, I do not have to tell you why you shouldn't do it - your own common sense should tell you the reason.  Quite blantantly I do have an actual argument - you'll get electrocuted, and quite probably die - and am merely pointing out a fact, not trying to start and/or win an argument.  If everyone had to explain the reasons behind absolutely everything they said, the world would never get anywhere (and it's getting there slow enough as it is!)

I'm immensely saddened that, for doing nothing except making known an observation I have made in hopes it would be useful for someone, I ended up getting flamed for it... especially considering it was by a moderator and respected member of the community.  I shall leave this conversation now :(.
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2004, 02:13:23 PM »
If you read my original post on the matter, you'd see I was merely pointing out my observations based on the various internet forums & message boards I visit/have visited - I never said whether it was right or wrong for this to be the case, whether I agreed or disagreed with it, that I knew why this happened the case, or anything else like that.
Never, hm?
Of course, how silly of me.  Somehow, looking at posts like,
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You don't need mods to tell you that you shouldn't post in outdated threads anyway - surely your own common sense should be enough?
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As I said, it's simply considered good netiquette.  You don't usually go to a posh dinner party and ask your hosts why it's considered good etiquette to eat your meal with the cutlery provided rather than your hands, do you?
I got the idea that you agreed with the rule in question.  Why I thought that is a great mystery, I daresay.
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2004, 03:33:50 PM »
Nightmare, social ettiquete contains very few facts of the same form as the fact it's unwise to stick your finger in an electrical socket. For every situation where something's the right thing to do, there's a situation where the same thing is wrong. Plus people aren't born with common sense, nor is my common sense the same as yours. Blanket statements don't really work.
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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2004, 06:49:46 PM »
Okay so...is the ressurrected Bane the real Bane?

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Re: Could You Actually Become Bhaal??
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2004, 07:54:18 PM »
Yes. Xvim was just a vessel for his rebirth.

Bane is one of my favourite FR deities. Though I don't think I quite match the alignment of one of his worshippers.

Well, I hope. :)
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