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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2005, 04:01:19 AM »
Though an Italian friend tells me she thinks organic coffee is the best.

I've yet to find anything non-organic that tastes better than its organic equivalent.  Of course, my wallet likes buying me things other than just food, and I'm a hell of a lazy guy, so it generally balances out.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2005, 06:28:34 AM »
   I've always thought that vegetarians don't drink coffee, or tea, or soda, only water (and juices, but juices are rather eaten then drunk)

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  Is anything wrong with me? I always thought you were male, but yesterday found out you were female actually, so I edited some of my posts, to adjust it. But now your gender is marked blue again. So? Or is it smth with my comp?

  Fine . Now I recall Drew mention his wife. Can anyone, not only Drew, explain anything to me? On 12/20 I had Drew's gender marked pink, I think
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2005, 07:41:04 AM »
I was raised to eat meat and by the gods I'll die as a meat eater.  :)

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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2005, 10:01:33 AM »
What about shoes and warm clothing though? ( I am especially concerned about the shoes. It would be very sad to have to wear bad shoes because of your principles. And acrylic fabrics? Polyester? Seriously concerned.) I am wondering why wool and silk are no go: sheep don't like being shorn but it's actually good for them to have their fleece removed- I would have thought it was a win-win. I was also under the illusion that silkworms are not harmed when they make silk.

I solve that problem by, uh, wearing bad shoes most of the time. Or going barefoot, natural style, to appease the BR's of our world. There are such things as vegan/vegetarian shoe shops, however. I've never been to one myself, perhaps I should.

@Lu- same thing happened to me- drew is switching it in order to add weight to his/her current argument, I reckon.  ;)

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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2005, 11:50:40 AM »
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@Lu- same thing happened to me- drew is switching it in order to add weight to his/her current argument, I reckon
   THANK YOU. I was beginning to fear kinda conspiracy (nothing actually but my imagination, I know, no conspiracy as a matter of fact, but before were also those undead mummies who pick up newborn babies in cabbage - thank God this problem I eventually solved myself - the undead mummies are actually moms, but called in British), so at least this problem is solved too, other than two questions remain
 1) What's Drew's gender?
 2) If male, then do I have to edit my already edited posts back, adjusting Drew's gender to male?
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2005, 11:57:05 AM »
Drew is a man.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2005, 11:59:38 AM »
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2005, 01:06:39 PM »
Just out of curiosity: Is there a special weight to a gender tagged argument in a vegan discussion?

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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2005, 01:16:42 PM »
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #60 on: December 21, 2005, 02:02:15 PM »
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #61 on: December 21, 2005, 02:30:22 PM »
That is very interesting : although now I wonder why my vegetarian friend does have sporadic patches where her doctor gets cranky with her about various defiencies she experiences.
This is a funny thing.  Doctors and nurses will swear up and down that more violent crimes happen on a full moon.  Yet, when looking at the statistics, something funny happens.  It turns out that Doctors and Nurses are wrong on this one.  It's a matter of expectation.  Medical professionals expect the crazies to come out of the woodworks on Halloween so they always remember the times it happens then, forgetting all the other times the same thing happened on a different occasion than Halloween.  What does this have to do with vegetarians.  Nothing.  Everything.  It's the same concept.  Every single problem your vegetarian friend has gets attributed to her being a vegetarian in the Doctor's mind.  He just forgets about all the non-vegetarians he sees on a regular basis with the exact same problems.

Regarding silk and wool......silk is cut and dry.  The process kills the silk worm.  With wool, there are some very brutal practices that the industry uses with the collection of wool.  When shearing sheep, for example, they generally take off a couple layers of skin (they don't have to do it that way) to maximize the ammount of wool they get.  They also take the wool when the sheep need it most because it's thickest then.  You guessed it......they generally shear in the dead of winter.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2005, 02:33:45 PM »
Funny thing is, if we (the Homo Erectus race, humans, you know what i mean) didn't start eating meat, we would still have brains the size om monkeys. Because we started eating cooked/fried meat (yeah, we fried meat pretty much from the beginning), we didn't need to eat ass much, so our jawmuscles decreased in size, making room for a bigger brain... And as we all know, our brain makes us what we are.

Thats my arguement(sp?) for eating meat. Besides, the animals eat eachother too, right?

Note: I still totally agree that its imparative that animan get treated properly. Why? wouldn't we want to be treated well?
Umm.....then how do you explain the vegetarian great apes?  Last I checked, they were quite intelligent and strong, and a hell of a lot bigger than we are.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2005, 02:36:17 PM »
   How you doing, Mr. Drew? Something tells me that in one of your last posts kinda PS is missing. I could give you a hint at what I thought it would be about, if you want me to

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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2005, 02:38:20 PM »
True. But they don't have half our brainpower. They didn't invent the internet. Heh.

And before you even think so, i don't think vegetarians are stupid.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2005, 02:41:04 PM »
You know . . . doing something just because animals do isn't the best reasoning in the entire world. Apes also tend to live in harem-style communities. Not to mention that quite a few of them have a thing for eating their own feces.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2005, 02:46:28 PM »
Yes, I'm a guy.  I just have a sense of humor that's a bit twisted.   I didn't actually expect anyone to notice, though.

@Marauder:  There is no scientific reason to believe that meat consumption contributed to our increased cranial capacity.  The concept has been thrown about, but no one in the scientific community really takes it seriously.  The most ironic part about the whole thing is that people go out in droves to eat fish or consume fish oil because it's "good for the brain".  What's funny about this is that the most important (if there is such a thing) thing to take in for overall brain function is carbohydrates.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2005, 02:58:42 PM »
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Yes, I'm a guy.  I just have a sense of humor that's a bit twisted
   OK, no harm has been done, eventually. However, next time that you gonna throw one of your jokes, perhaps you could PM me before, kinda, "Lu, I ain't actually an alien, it's gonna be my next joke only". Otherwise there's already been too much for your friend in this thread - undead mummy as a parent of yours, and color hallucinations e.g. Besides, I had to edit one of my posts twice, every time changing quite a few he/him/his/his to she/her/her/hers and back. And when I'm upset I start posting total crap, spoiling this thread of yours. And you don't want your thread spoiled, do you?
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2005, 03:25:16 PM »
Yes, I'm a guy.  I just have a sense of humor that's a bit twisted.   I didn't actually expect anyone to notice, though.

@Marauder:  There is no scientific reason to believe that meat consumption contributed to our increased cranial capacity.  The concept has been thrown about, but no one in the scientific community really takes it seriously.  The most ironic part about the whole thing is that people go out in droves to eat fish or consume fish oil because it's "good for the brain".  What's funny about this is that the most important (if there is such a thing) thing to take in for overall brain function is carbohydrates.

You may be right. The only source i have is my biologiteacher and his BBC-program about human evolution.... If it isn't true, i'll just have to go beat him with an ugly-stick  :P
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2005, 03:34:44 PM »
Meh.  You'd be surprised by the conjecture people often try to pass off as science.  The concept essentially ignores the fact that monkeys and apes share an ancestor, which essentially defeats the argument about meat consumption increasing cranial capacity, since great apes (which are vegetarian or damn near it) are leaps and bounds smarter than the monkeys from which the descended.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2005, 04:01:40 PM »
One thing I'm curious about: how come vegans are allowed to drive cars? (Considering petrolium = decayed animal remains)
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2005, 04:14:06 PM »
Actually it's over 90% plants.  Also, we didn't kill the plants and animals to produce petroleum.  They were already dead.
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2005, 05:13:51 PM »
A meal which contains only 1% animal product certainly wouldn't be acceptable to vegans, and as a vegan wouldn't even eat a wild animal which died of natural causes, "it wasn't purposefully killed" and "it was already dead" don't seem good enough excuses either ;).
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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2005, 05:25:57 PM »
I think it's fine for vegans to drive cars; so long as their funny restrictions make sense to them and make them feel happy that's fine. :) I don't think it matters whether belief systems like diet are self-consistent down to the tiniest detail, because it's not the end of the world if they aren't.

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Re: What not to buy your vegan relative for the holidays (or ever)
« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2005, 05:31:13 PM »
I have a feeling it's like those people who "refuse to discuss politics".  If they were actually 100% true to their word, they would pretty much have to take a vow of silence.  In much the same way, the only way you could make absolutely no contribution to the suffering or death of any non-human lifeform or even simply make use of zero animal products would be by never being born in the first place ;).

I mean, just think of all the flies, spiders, etc you swallow while you're asleep, the animals accidentally killed by crop harvesting equipment, etc.  In fact, if everyone in the world suddently turned vegan, the amount of extra arable farmland needed would be nothing short of extraordinary, so imagine how many creatures' natural habitats would have to be destroyed... I can quite imagine more than a few extinctions (or at least, near-extinctions) would be caused by it :D
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