Author Topic: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!  (Read 48498 times)

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Yes, it seems a strange pledge to have to make, but since not everyone can say the same thing, there you have it.
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But what if we don't like the person?
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Even then!
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   Can anyone explain to me what this is all about, unless it's only meant for those whom it may concern? Why should people have thought that their questions and comments about mod compatibility would be deleted, until JC said what he did?

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Has anyone actually tried any of the Redemptions and Turnabout together? Perhaps they do work, after all. As far as I remember, in the final scene of ToB, if LR is installed, there's an interjection where Irenicus' choice is made, a cutscene, if he is redeemed, another little piece of dialogue, and then things return to the main plot, so it might just work. I am tinkering with SoA-only install at the moment, so I can't check, unfortunately. Anyone?

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Can anyone explain to me what this is all about, unless it's only meant for those whom it may concern? Why should people have thought that their questions and comments about mod compatibility would be deleted, until JC said what he did?
JC recently made a post regarding mod compatibility issues on the Longer Road forum. Dorotea followed her usual behavior pattern by having a fit and deleting it because, uh... she doesn't like the way he dresses, or something like that. This is, apparently, acceptable moderation over there.
The moral of the story is, I suppose, that if you want compatibility adivce on Studios mods, you probably have to make do with inaccurate nonsense, or ask elsewhere. But I suggest we don't worry about that any further. We're here to help, guys! :)

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*sigh* I thought what this thread  is about should go without saying, but there you have it.......again. :(
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 What brought this topic up again? Yes, I am aware of the thread elsewhere, I micro'd a bag of popcorn to enjoy whilst reading the original multi-paged discussion.

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This kinda makes me a sad, sad panda... (not the topic but things involved)
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The moral of the story is, I suppose, that if you want compatibility adivce on Studios mods, you probably have to make do with inaccurate nonsense, or ask elsewhere. But I suggest we don't worry about that any further. We're here to help, guys! :)

If the actions of a single hosted modder were representative of the attitude of a board's entire staff and all the other hosted modders, that would mean the PPG staff and hostees would all go out of their way to obey and implement pnp rules in their mods :P.  Quite clearly that isn't the case, and the same is true in the ShS situation as well.

EDIT: On the subject of things being deleted, what happened to all the old posts in the Banter Pack forum (prior to v3 or so)? I was trying to find an old post with some dialogue suggestions I made, and can't find it anywhere.
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2005, 09:37:41 AM »
I don't recall the last time Echon deleted someone's posts because they didn't adhere to PnP rules. As much as I'm sure playing dumb helps your semantic arguments, you're fully aware that the Studios administration have stated clearly that *it is acceptable for someone to delete your posts if they don't like you*. Likening the deletion of posts to the production of a PnP rules mod is, in fact, the weakest argument I've seen since the last time you tried to defend bad forum policy.

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On the subject of things being deleted, what happened to all the old posts in the Banter Pack forum (prior to v3 or so)? I was trying to find an old post with some dialogue suggestions I made, and can't find it anywhere.
This is a joke, right? If not, I imagine you'll want to talk to Neil.

Also, can someone tell me why I'm arguing with NiGHTMARE again?

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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2005, 09:43:01 AM »
Cause Nightmare seems to like to argue and tends to put up arguments so bizarre they're hard to ignore ;) Just a theory though... maybe a poll "Why is Sim arguying again with Nightmare" is in order? ;D
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2005, 09:44:29 AM »
I think I'd rather ban myself so there's no-one to reply.

Has anyone actually tried any of the Redemptions and Turnabout together? Perhaps they do work, after all. As far as I remember, in the final scene of ToB, if LR is installed, there's an interjection where Irenicus' choice is made, a cutscene, if he is redeemed, another little piece of dialogue, and then things return to the main plot, so it might just work. I am tinkering with SoA-only install at the moment, so I can't check, unfortunately. Anyone?
I don't really know, although I can try to have a quick look. I'm quite curious to know where your sig quote is from though. :)

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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2005, 09:48:39 AM »
Actually, the studios administration did not clearly state that *it is acceptable for someone to delete your posts if they don't like you* at all.  What they did clearly state is that they had sent PMs to Dorotea telling her what she had done was wrong.  With that in mind, would you care to explain to me how what one hosted modder who isn't a member of staff gets up to dictates forum policy?

If you would care to provide us all with proof that any other SHS modder or staff member besides Dorotea has deleted a post because they don't like the person who made it, I'll be happy to admit that you're right.

This is a joke, right? If not, I imagine you'll want to talk to Neil.
Okay, I thought TBP started after PPG began.  I forgot it was around during the era of FWP.

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Also, can someone tell me why I'm arguing with NiGHTMARE again?
Well, stop making illogical assumptions and unfounded accusations regarding ShS staff and ShS forum policy (especially ones clearly designed to provoke a reaction), and I'm sure the arguments will stop too.  Of course, if you ever find anything which actually backs up your claims, feel free to post away.
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2005, 09:57:54 AM »
What brought this topic up again?

Because it's come up again. (as in, happened again.)
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2005, 10:07:45 AM »
I think we need some sort of tabloid to keep abreast of all the latest scandals. The Best of the Modding Community.
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2005, 10:11:32 AM »
We'll need an impartial editor.
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2005, 10:17:01 AM »
We'll need an impartial editor.
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2005, 10:18:41 AM »
I vote MPrilla.
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2005, 10:23:59 AM »
We'll need an impartial editor.
Ken.


How about everything stays in the posts? People apologize for personal assaults a few posts later and the moderaters  um have drinks with little umbrellas while they mostly watch. This way threads even make sense after a week or longer and telling people to READ through the thread actually benefits them.

Enforcing some basic rules is not the same as weeding out critizism.

Have you noticed that referees hardly ever score in football/soccer matches?
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2005, 10:27:32 AM »
We'll need an impartial editor.
Ken.


How about everything stays in the posts? People apologize for personal assaults a few posts later and the moderaters  um have drinks with little umbrellas while they mostly watch. This way threads even make sense after a week or longer and telling people to READ through the thread actually benefits them.

Enforcing some basic rules is not the same as weeding out critizism.
Have you noticed that referees hardly ever score in football/soccer matches?
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2005, 10:39:11 AM »
Since I'm not familiar with the background of this specific discussion and what has happened in a different Forum, what I will say here is not about any specific case, but just about my general viewpoint about Forum policies. I have been a member of many Forums (in diverse topics) for a good number of years and I have had experiences with different moderating policies. The result of all such experiences and observations is as follows:

In my opinion, heavily moderated Forums and entirely unmoderated Forums are both inappropriate. The latter is even worse than the former. Unmoderated Forums are like jungles where most weird people may appear to insult others. A reasonable moderating policy is called for and appropriate.

Moderation, however, should not target the opinions of the posters but just the way they express their opinions.

The ideal moderating policy has the following features in my opinion:

1- Only rude and insulting posts should be rejected. Moderators should not abuse their positions by rejecting posts just because they disagree with their contents or becuase they don't like them.

2- Messages should require approval before being sent and seen by everyone. Deleting a bad post after being seen is not a good option. Bad posts should not be allowed to be seen at all.

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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2005, 10:56:18 AM »
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I don't really know, although I can try to have a quick look. I'm quite curious to know where your sig quote is from though.

It's suddenly very popular.  :)

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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2005, 10:57:59 AM »

How about everything stays in the posts? People apologize for personal assaults a few posts later and the moderaters  um have drinks with little umbrellas while they mostly watch. This way threads even make sense after a week or longer and telling people to READ through the thread actually benefits them.

 A novel approach but perhaps too revolutionary. :-\

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Have you noticed that referees hardly ever score in football/soccer matches?

 No, I hadn't noticed that at all.

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 So, if I understand correctly, same moderator, same forum, same poster, and same old, same old and there may be no link because there is nothing to link?



 
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Re: We will not delete your questions and comments about mod compatibility!
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2005, 11:02:25 AM »
2- Messages should require approval before being sent and seen by everyone. Deleting a bad post after being seen is not a good option. Bad posts should not be allowed to be seen at all.
This sounds very unfeasable to me. Are you suggesting that each and every post should be read by a mod before appearing on a forum???
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