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[balduran]

We are not some losers who have nothing but crap in their lives and never see the end of the tunnel.

Compering this to your first post one might have an impression that for you there's an equality between being a woman and being a loser. I'm not going to disscuss this opinion, but although they say that the worse vice is advice, I'm gonna give you one. Saying such things may one day result in sudden and severe decline of your health.

You have the wrog interpretation of me, or what I am saying. I'm the last one who should be blamed for not treating both sexes equally.

[Borsook]

And it's not always that "men kiss" often it's the woman who put ups her hand in manner that leaves you little choice

   Nothing's wrong about it either, I guess. Or is it such a hard job for a man, to kiss a lady's hand? If I put up my hand in such a manner, I doubt that here in USA many men would realize what they are expected to do

No, it's no problem. Unless you are very sensitive about hygene and like to wonder when was that hand washed last. In modern Poland the main problem for men is that some women get offended if you don't kiss their hand, and some do so if you try to.

[Borsook]

You have the wrog interpretation of me, or what I am saying.

That's probable.

[balduran]

Does that custom come from Poland's historical heritage or it's something catholics do?

[balduran]

The last one should be refered to hand-kissing custom in Poland.

[Borsook]

Because it would be very strange to expect someone to kiss another guy's hand.

If you're traditional, there are situations (rare ones) when you're expected to kiss a man's hand.

[balduran]

Because it would be very strange to expect someone to kiss another guy's hand.

If you're traditional, there are situations (rare ones) when you're expected to kiss a man's hand.

But only when it's an elderly and very respected citizen.

[Lu]

Lu, just to clear this out, you are female, right?

  There's a small pink mark next to my name, it answers your question

[Borsook]

Does that custom come from Poland's historical heritage or it's something catholics do?

I don't think that's connected to catholicism, rather a normal tradition. I don't know that much about catholic traditions, mind you.

[Borsook]

Because it would be very strange to expect someone to kiss another guy's hand.

If you're traditional, there are situations (rare ones) when you're expected to kiss a man's hand.

But only when it's an elderly and very respected citizen.

Or a priest. Of course I'm still talking about Polish tradition.

[balduran]

Lu, just to clear this out, you are female, right?

  There's a small pink mark next to my name, it answers your question

Ooops, i never noticed that one.

I don't think that's connected to catholicism, rather a normal tradition. I don't know that much about catholic traditions, mind you.

But you are from Poland. I thought Polish people used to be religious

[Borsook]

I don't think that's connected to catholicism, rather a normal tradition. I don't know that much about catholic traditions, mind you.

But you are from Poland. I thought Polish people used to be religious

Many, maybe even most are. I am not one of them.

[Lu]

   A hundred years ago or even less, kissing a lady's hand was a regular gesture in civilized countries, except for the lower classes. It has nothing to do with Catholicism. Since then, gentlemen's manners have definitely become poorer, to lesser extent in Poland and France, I believe, to greater extent in the rest of the world

[balduran]

People back then used to respect the social codes. My theory is that democracy and globalisation has taken its toll on that one.

[Borsook]

   A hundred years ago or even less, kissing a lady's hand was a regular gesture in civilized countries, except for the lower classes. It has nothing to do with Catholisism. Since then, gentlemen's manners have definitely become poorer, to lesser extent in Poland in France, I believe, to greater extent in the rest of the world

Trouble is it's mostly just a facade, Poles are in truth very unkind to women, they just follow the customs.

[irenicus]

...... the only guy who kissed me was my ex boyfriend, and he dumped me cus my big brother decided he didnt like him, and they sort of had a fight, -shrugs- my new boyfriend dosnt know HOW to kiss.... i cannot wait till im 18 and can go clubbing, so long to wait

[balduran]

...... the only guy who kissed me was my ex boyfriend, and he dumped me cus my big brother decided he didnt like him, and they sort of had a fight, -shrugs- my new boyfriend dosnt know HOW to kiss.... i cannot wait till im 18 and can go clubbing, so long to wait

You mean he haven't kissed you at all? Maby he's too shy or doesn't want to push it.

[balduran]

i cannot wait till im 18 and can go clubbing, so long to wait

What do you mean when you say clubbing and why does it require to be over the age of consent?

[irenicus]

i cannot wait till im 18 and can go clubbing, so long to wait

What do you mean when you say clubbing and why does it require to be over the age of consent?

well i can drink as well then and if hes damned ugly it wont matter

...... the only guy who kissed me was my ex boyfriend, and he dumped me cus my big brother decided he didnt like him, and they sort of had a fight, -shrugs- my new boyfriend dosnt know HOW to kiss.... i cannot wait till im 18 and can go clubbing, so long to wait

You mean he haven't kissed you at all? Maby he's too shy or doesn't want to push it.

i think he dosnt want to push i because we have been friends for five years, and suddenly were goin out so mabe he dosnt want to ruin the friendship or relationship, though soon ill drop a hint or just kiss him either way, other then that were very open with each other

[balduran]

So your friend's over 18. That makes your relationship a little outside of law's bounds

[irenicus]

So your friend's over 18. That makes your relationship a little outside of law's bounds

nah hes 16, but i dont think it will be a forever thing the way its going now, and he respects me enough to know i dont belive in sex before marrige

im boring no wonder why all the bfs i get are gits lol

[balduran]

You're just 14. how many could you possibly have had. At this age I didn't even refer to the girls I was dating as girlfriends.

[Lu]

Adding content to a post via modify is not nice

  Haven't ever given it a thought before, but you are definitely right. I'll keep that in mind

Great, shall I join the club - what's a lady?

  I hope, by definition every female old enough (say 13 or 14 yo, I don't insist on that) is a lady, unless she's proven otherwise
   At least that's what my mom taught me. Tried to raise me as a lady, definitely failed though

[irenicus]

You're just 14. how many could you possibly have had. At this age I didn't even refer to the girls I was dating as girlfriends.

hmm ive had about 10, my brother normaly sets me up on blind dates, but theres a boy in my class i really really really like!! and were always messin about, and causing chaos in school, but well, our friendships to strong i think we both wont say anything, but to late now, all my friends are boys, its really odd, cus when i go to town on saturday theres like 7 boys around me, and all we do is talk about shooting and offroading and cars, its fun, and we all respect each other and they dont judge me cus im a girl its so cool

[balduran]

Adding content to a post via modify is not nice

  Haven't ever given it a thought before, but you are definitely right. I'll keep that in mind

Great, shall I join the club - what's a lady?

  I hope, by definition every female old enough (say 13 or 14 yo, I don't insist on that) is a lady, unless she's proven otherwise
   At least that's what my mom taught me. Tried to raise me as a lady, definitely failed though

I was only kidding about the last one. Though I have to say that the term "lady"(as well as gentleman) should be used only when the person has proven that he has certain moral and spiritual qualities going beyond phisical beauty and sexuall appeal.