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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2005, 12:41:21 PM »
If everyone is responsible for their own behaviour Soz, then you are responsible for your feelings towards drunks, not them. Fair enough, avoid drunks who are dangerous. But why foster supercharged negative feelings about harmless ones? People do stupid unattractive things: they're called mistakes.

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I guess it's time to do something with my feeling - avoidance is beneficial, but hatred brings only suffering.
Since suffering is wrong, hatred is unadvised unless something needs to be kicked.

Mistakes aren't the problem.
The problem is that mistakes are repeated and glorified by the culture.

The trouble with having rigid standards is you do expect others to agree with them, and you judge them harshly when they don't. Then your tolerance muscles start to atrophy and you end up bitter and lonely and a gigantic pain in the arse.

I wouldn't call my standards rigid. I'm not losing anything because of not-drinking. That's why I'm not drinking.
As for tolerance...
I think that I must work on it a bit, because intolerance decreases the quality of my life.

I commend you on your decision to not drink.  However, I find your harsh [judgmental] comments and intolerance very off-putting.  People do stupid things all the time, regardless of whether there's alcohol involved or not.  Just because you had a negative experience, it doesn't mean that all the drunks are reckless daredevils endangering everyone around them.   
You claim you never said you were good, kind or perfect, but your attitude and your earlier remarks suggest otherwise. 
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Those dangerous situations involving my drunk friends weren't dangerous because they were agressive or doing dangerous things, because I tend to avoid people who tend to have really stupid ideas, but because they were unable to act effectively in situations that require alertness, cohesive thinking and movement coordination.
I don't like when people actively decrease their value as companions and allies, so I don't like when my friends drink in my company, nor I would take a drinking girl as a life partner.

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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2005, 12:43:40 PM »
If everyone is responsible for their own behaviour Soz, then you are responsible for your feelings towards drunks, not them. Fair enough, avoid drunks who are dangerous. But why foster supercharged negative feelings about harmless ones? People do stupid unattractive things: they're called mistakes. 
The trouble with having rigid standards is you do expect others to agree with them, and you judge them harshly when they don't. Then your tolerance muscles start to atrophy and you end up bitter and lonely and a gigantic pain in the arse.
I must say I do not agree with your statemnet that seems to put an equation between having "rigid" standards and expecting others to comply to them. I just don't see that connection. I have a lot silly rules I follow with no exepctions (no alcohol, smoking, coffee, umbrellas) and my wife likes doing all the things (exept smoking) my "ruleset" exludes. Never have I tried to talk her into following my way nor for that matter did she. It's perfectly easy to have rigid rules and apply them only to oneself.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2005, 12:46:12 PM »
On the side note: I know many people (including myself) who while being completly sober commited most idiotic, undiginfied acts imaginable.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2005, 12:56:47 PM »
That's why I don't need to drink ;) .
If I want to do something idiotic, I just do that after making sure that consequences aren't too grave ;D .
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2005, 01:09:02 PM »
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2005, 01:29:28 PM »
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2005, 04:16:12 PM »
Borsook, I was thinking more of people who feel their standards are right, and are often in religious groups dictating to others not in their group about how they should live. Everyone's got personal rules for living: the ability to tolerate and accept others whose rules are different is not held in the same degree by everyone.

Umbrellas? You don't believe in umbrellas? No contraptions should stand between you and the elements? Or you just like rain?  :D
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2005, 04:59:37 PM »
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2005, 12:46:26 AM »
Borsook, I was thinking more of people who feel their standards are right, and are often in religious groups dictating to others not in their group about how they should live. Everyone's got personal rules for living: the ability to tolerate and accept others whose rules are different is not held in the same degree by everyone.
In that case, fine, you're right.
Umbrellas? You don't believe in umbrellas? No contraptions should stand between you and the elements? Or you just like rain?  :D
Yes I don't use umbrellas. Nor hats for that matter. I like rain and I believe umbrellas to be very impractical, I've been getting soking wet every time it rains for the past quater of a century, never changing into dry clothes (this out of lazyness not rules) and now it's almost impossible for me to catch cold. Whereas my wife who's a umbrella lover gets sick after five minutes in the rain. Though lately I get some pains in the bones before rain so there's a downside to this too ;D
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2005, 12:47:44 AM »
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Isn't that cute... BUT IT'S WRONG!  ;D
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2005, 12:51:57 AM »
I can't agree with you on hats, Borsook. They keep you warm in winter, and stop you from getting sunburnt in summer. Absolute necessities.
Umbrellas, I'll pay that. Although they do keep your hair and shoulders dry, giving you an illusion of protection.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2005, 12:59:17 AM »
I can't agree with you on hats, Borsook. They keep you warm in winter, and stop you from getting sunburnt in summer. Absolute necessities.
Umbrellas, I'll pay that. Although they do keep your hair and shoulders dry, giving you an illusion of protection.
Not trying to convince you, there. :) And for keeping warm in winter nothing beats a thick, red beard. I really recommend trying it. ;) (NOTE: The last sentece is NOT in a way connected to the lame "Eral may be a man discussion" BorsookTM knows she's a woman, not that it matters or anything... ;D)
PS. What's your time zone Eral?

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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2005, 01:11:54 AM »
It's 6:00 pm here, Australian Eastern Standard Time.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2005, 02:40:33 AM »
It's 6:00 pm here, Australian Eastern Standard Time.
Wow. I asked because most people here aren't around when I'm here, but in your case the difference is simply large enough... when you wrote it it was around 8.00 a.m. at my end.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2005, 03:25:34 AM »
I believe umbrellas to be very impractical

This may sound like a stupid question, but you do realize umbrellas are collapsible, right? :D Anyway, does this only include the type of umbrella designed to shelter you from the rain, or does it also include those intended to provide protection from the sun as well (aka parasols)?
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2005, 03:46:41 AM »
I believe umbrellas to be very impractical

This may sound like a stupid question, but you do realize umbrellas are collapsible, right? :D
Yes I do. As a matter of fact as a boy I spend many an hour fencing with other boys using an umbrella. BTW let me say it again: I'm not trying to convince anyone to not using umbrellas!
Anyway, does this only include the type of umbrella designed to shelter you from the rain, or does it also include those intended to provide protection from the sun as well (aka parasols)?
I dunno. I know from literature/films that such an item exists but I've never beheld it with my own eyes, so hard to say. BTW in my native language we have a word "parasol" and use it in a meaning of "umbrella"
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2005, 05:17:21 AM »
I dislike umbrellas because usually they are at height of my eyes.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2005, 05:23:59 AM »
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« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2005, 05:27:52 AM »
lift it up further?
He probably meant the ones held by other people, and true this is annoying.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2005, 05:46:22 AM »
Yup.I have to scratch my hair a lot.
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2005, 09:15:20 AM »
Umbrellas are good for people who wear mascara. I could care less if my clothes are wet, it only takes a few minutes to throw on a t-shirt. Washing off my makeup and reapplying it all because I've got ohmyGodit'sraining panda-eyes takes considerably longer. If I were a guy, though . . .

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« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2005, 09:39:34 AM »
Heh.
Another reason why I'm not fond of make-up :) .
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Re: Non-drinking thread
« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2005, 10:01:45 AM »
Umbrellas are good for people who wear mascara.
What's a mascara? just make-up or a specific kind?
I could care less if my clothes are wet, it only takes a few minutes to throw on a t-shirt. Washing off my makeup and reapplying it all because I've got ohmyGodit'sraining panda-eyes takes considerably longer. If I were a guy, though . . .
You know being a woman can not use make-up. And should you be a man you could use make-up should you want to, I don't see why not.
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« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2005, 10:10:43 AM »
Well, Borsook, I could also dress in sweatpants and tank-tops all day, or maybe walk around in a clown-suit for the rest of my life. However, since our society places certain expectations upon me, as a woman, no matter how "attractive" I might be naturally, I have to meet those expectations or risk either being overlooked entirely or not being taken seriously.

And I don't care if men wear make-up, but as long as we're on the subject of societal convention . . . men typically don't, and when they do, it's not the kind of thing that bleeds with water.

Besides, I like wearing makeup.

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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2005, 10:26:29 AM »
I dunno. I know from literature/films that such an item exists but I've never beheld it with my own eyes, so hard to say. BTW in my native language we have a word "parasol" and use it in a meaning of "umbrella"

Heh, here in Britain just about any pub with a garden has them, as does almost any public beach during the summer ;).
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