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"Modify" has gone!
« on: October 22, 2005, 07:23:23 AM »
Borsook asked this question, and I second it.  Is this a temporary glitch? Has someone shut down our Edit facility? What prevails?
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2005, 07:39:58 AM »
I have it (at least I checked a specific forum).
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2005, 07:41:13 AM »
Err, yes, here it's missing  :)
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2005, 07:43:30 AM »
The facility to modify posts has been removed from Ensign First Class Blather, it is difficult to have a proper argument if someone is editing a post that your a replying to. The message informing you that additional posts have been made since you starting typing are invaluable, however, they are utterly useless if people simply add their new thoughts to the bottom of their previous posts.

The removal is an absolute bastard if you've made a typo, though.
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2005, 07:44:18 AM »
Such as "your" instead of "you're" for example.
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2005, 07:47:38 AM »
Perhaps there is a SMF plugin which gives the 'Warning: post x, y and z have been edited'?
[and, a similar plugin for IPB wouldn't be amiss either  :) ]
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2005, 08:49:22 AM »
Is this necessary? I can only imagine that you are targeting a minority with this removal of the modify button. What's the point in being a member (except for the snarky bonhomie) if you cannot edit your posts? What about (my personal Achilles) broken links?

 IMO this is catastrophic news. I am very sad. :'( On the bright side I will probably post less.

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2005, 08:52:04 AM »
I have a feeling the absence of the modify button will end up annoying considerably more people than were being annoyed by its presence :).
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2005, 08:55:41 AM »
I have found that I post more because of the required extra posts to correct typos that completely change the meaning of what I have tried to say. A modify button is hardly the only benefit to members, besides it is only in EFCB.
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2005, 08:57:05 AM »
  Is this necessary? I can only imagine that you are targeting a minority with this removal of the modify button. What's the point in being a member (except for the snarky bonhomie) if you cannot edit your posts? What about (my personal Achilles) broken links?

 IMO this is catastrophic news. I am very sad. :'( On the bright side I will probably post less.

I would not call this the bright side. My typpoes shall live on infamy! :D

On the real bright side: POSTCOUNT! :P
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2005, 09:35:01 AM »
No, no, no!
Bring it back! No, really! I'll give you my daughter's hand in marriage. If I have one that is.

Really why don't we just ask people not to add new thoughts by editing? Or add a field "reasons for editing"?
I make one hell of typos and not being able to correct them is a pain in... you know where, don't you?
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2005, 09:36:07 AM »
No, no, no!
Bring it back! No, really! I'll give you my daughter's hand in marriage. If I have one that is.

Really why don't we just ask people not to add new thoughts by editing? Or add a field "reasons for editing"?
I make one hell of typos and not being able to correct them is a pain in... you know where, don't you?


A pain in the dictionary? You can always preview it and check ya know.
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2005, 09:42:54 AM »
No, no, no!
Bring it back! No, really! I'll give you my daughter's hand in marriage. If I have one that is.

Really why don't we just ask people not to add new thoughts by editing? Or add a field "reasons for editing"?
I make one hell of typos and not being able to correct them is a pain in... you know where, don't you?


A pain in the dictionary? You can always preview it and check ya know.
No. I have disgraphy (if that's a proper English terms) and sometimes I don't see mistakes however long I look (I always read what I wrote) and only later when something "clicks" in my brain I'm able to notice them...
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2005, 09:46:34 AM »
I have found that I post more because of the required extra posts to correct typos that completely change the meaning of what I have tried to say.

 I would think the reverse would be true.

 
A modify button is hardly the only benefit to members...


 Well there are pms and not having to give your e-mail or a purported e-mail address everytime you post. I would rather give up pms than the modify button. Strangely I receive few pms. ??? :( Membership is not required for posting.

The facility to modify posts has been removed from Ensign First Class Blather, it is difficult to have a proper argument if someone is editing a post that your a replying to.

 I would think that you could quote the pertinent point which you are responding to in your own post thus negating the poster's ability to clarify, back away from their argument, or even obliterate their post which may have been tactless or inept.

 
...besides it is only in EFCB.

 Which is where I predominantly post. Oh. This is directed at me isn't? :-[
 

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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2005, 10:05:35 AM »
The facility to modify posts has been removed from Ensign First Class Blather, it is difficult to have a proper argument if someone is editing a post that your a replying to.

 I would think that you could quote the pertinent point which you are responding to in your own post thus negating the poster's ability to clarify, back away from their argument, or even obliterate their post which may have been tactless or inept.


That is very true. Just because some people don't understand that highlighting substantial changes in previous posts is what should be done for many reasons, doesn't mean that this is denied to those who use it within its intended uses. Sadly many of my typos are cited and thus enshrined so quickly that by the time I sobered up and rephrased my statement, they were already history. I regard the malpractise to post in a thread a couple of times immediatey following up ones own post is quite disruptive and irritating for anyone to read.

It is much better to have one concise statement and rectify misunderstandings on the spot than to drag on forever explaining what that post meant.
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2005, 10:13:01 AM »
As frustrating as it is to be trying to argue against a post which is slowly edited beyond all recognition, I think removing editing completely is somewhat drastic. If there's sufficient support, I'm prepared to trial a new subscription service whereby you guys PM me and I correct your typos for you. There'll also be a premium service where I remove the bits of the posts that I don't agree with.

Oh, and let me edit this for no reason.
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2005, 10:24:09 AM »
 
Oh, and let me edit this for no reason.

 You are a smug bastard! >:( I would call that an abuse of power.

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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2005, 11:26:29 AM »
As frustrating as it is to be trying to argue against a post which is slowly edited beyond all recognition, I think removing editing completely is somewhat drastic. If there's sufficient support, I'm prepared to trial a new subscription service whereby you guys PM me and I correct your typos for you. There'll also be a premium service where I remove the bits of the posts that I don't agree with.

Oh, and let me edit this for no reason.

I refuse to use PMs as the system is all about pubic display of affection.
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2005, 11:58:58 AM »
The vastly superior world in which people may change their arguments five times every hour after being responded to by four other people has been restored.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2005, 12:02:24 PM »
The vastly superior world in which people may change their arguments five times every hour after being responded to by four other people has been restored.
As Jester said maybe it was not the way to do it, let's stop discussing with people who do that instead of being "totalitarian" and taking away the means... (sorry for draging this further the amount of irony on JC's part made me :P)
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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2005, 12:09:01 PM »
So now if someone does do the argument editing tactic, I hope everyone else who wanted the modify button back so desperately does their part in mocking and scorning that individual.  It's the only way they'll learn.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2005, 12:12:48 PM »
So now if someone does do the argument editing tactic, I hope everyone else who wanted the modify button back so desperately does their part in mocking and scorning that individual.  It's the only way they'll learn.
I can't speak for the rest, but sure, I'd do it anyway, that's very unfair, no doubts here.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2005, 12:14:23 PM »
Fine.

Okay, great.

Excellent!

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2005, 12:18:15 PM »
Fine.

Okay, great.

Excellent!

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Re: "Modify" has gone!
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2005, 12:24:36 PM »
The vastly superior world in which people may change their arguments five times every hour after being responded to by four other people has been restored.

"I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic."

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