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Offline Eral

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Re: Macedonian says he can stop huracanes "forever"
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2005, 08:53:21 PM »
Ah, just the way he said the agreement was meant to stop growth not greenhouse gas emissions suggests he might do a bit of his freelance work for Amoco et al.
I don't mind seeing bias in persuasive opinion pieces - because after all, that's the point of them - but it is sad to see persuasive opinion pieces pretending to be objective reporting of facts.
I felt less indignant after reading the posts in response to him. Funny how their discussion is a lot like ours.
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Re: Macedonian says he can stop huracanes "forever"
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2005, 10:18:19 AM »
"I fault the Bush administration for not offering more alternatives from the time it took office, regardless of its opinion on the science involved. They could have won a lot more brownie points around the world by just pretending to care, as Japan has.

The Japanese government has been "disingenous" from day one and deserves no credit for anything, because nothing has been accomplished, other than to convince the average Japanese that they cared simply by signing the agreement,when they never had any intention of adhering to any of its requirements." To steal from fark "SomeGuy."

"That aside, I still contend that the Kyoto Protocol was little more than an attempt to institute global socialism - handicap the financially established countries while giving a free pass to "developing" countries which are (or would be) bigger polluters."

"After the Katrina disaster has stirred up the controversy over the perils faced by mankind from global warming, you would think TB was even more committed to the KP, than before. But it is clear that his failed attempt to persuade GWB to return to KP has perversely caused TB to give up on the battle to stop global warming. What a schmuck."

"Per capita Aussies are the world's number one polluters."

This of course is untrue. When it comes to municipal waste per capita, first it is the US, than Australia followed by Iceland.  :) Now Australia is #1 in nitrogen oxide pollution per capita.

 Loved the responses.

 Jester - I too was wtf? A Canadian! Then I read a riveting piece about Canada's environmental failures. At the lack of citations, frequently opinion pieces do lack citations. This is not the first time I have heard that Kyoto will not be renewed 2012, nor the first time I have heard that (most) signatories will fail to implement or meet any requirements.

 Eral - The responses did remind me of here too. I also read an article about the ethanol proposals and was going to link it but I figured you had probably already read it.

 

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Re: Macedonian says he can stop huracanes "forever"
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2005, 02:06:04 PM »
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I'm looking forward to seeing the new ads for the big Holdens and Subarus and 4WD's.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but Subarus are quite fuel efficient.

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We are having a fun discussion at the moment over ethanol. One of Little Johnny's mates is Mr. Ethanol. He would like more ethanol in petrol. The trouble is, car manufacturers don't make cars that like ethanol. A few years ago there was a little scandal caused by a petrol company which was putting ethanol in its petrol (the dilutions ranged between 10 and 50%) and selling it more cheaply. And people who bought this petrol found that after a while their cars were going pop! bang! to various degrees. (At the risk of being anecdotal, I can vouch for the allergy of cars to ethanol.) Now, is Little Johnny announcing a new investment in ethanol-friendly car engines? No. He's legislating that ethanol can be put into petrol, and leaving it up to the car manufacturers to work it out. Eventually. There are some days I just want to slap him.

Funny.  Both of my cars are designed to run on ethanol as well as petrol.  All DaimlerChrysler vehicles made since the mid '90's also are.

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Re: Macedonian says he can stop huracanes "forever"
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2005, 08:09:44 PM »
Translation for Rastor: we call cars by their manufacturers names, rather than their brand names. Some brands are famous and are recognised without their company name, but usually if someone asks what you drive, you reply Holden/Ford/Honda/Mitsubishi etc. The big cars made by Holden are the Commodore and Calais. Subarus here may be fuel efficient - but they have large, powerful engines and are often the favoured car of young men who like to do burnouts at traffic lights and drive very very fast - hence my inclusion of them in the group whose advertisers are scratching for a new sales pitch.

Funny. Both of my cars are designed to run on ethanol as well as petrol. All DaimlerChrysler vehicles made since the mid '90's also are.
Yes, well since the idea of of ethanol has been around for a long time that makes sense, doesn't it. Which leads to the question, why is it taking so long to introduce such cars here??? The big innovation here in the early nineties was cars that run on unleaded petrol. 
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