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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2005, 01:04:10 AM »
Yes, excellent, the anti-suicide/depression team is winning here. (And I was getting worried I was running out of hopeful quotes. Good work,girls.)
Bons, you are a genius -that is possibly the ONLY hopeful line in Prufrock. "I have seen the mermaids singing, each to each" nearly makes it, if you ignore the next line.
Jzy, I know the poem - (who do you think started me on poetry? The Cat in the Hat comes Back, the first new book I ever owned.) But are the Sneeches pro or anti depression? Now if you had quoted Horton, I'd have got that straight away.

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2005, 01:12:08 AM »
Whenever Richard Cory went down town,   
  We people on the pavement looked at him:   
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,   
  Clean favored, and imperially slim.   
   
And he was always quietly arrayed,          
  And he was always human when he talked;   
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,   
  "Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.   
   
And he was rich—yes, richer than a king,   
  And admirably schooled in every grace:   
In fine, we thought that he was everything   
  To make us wish that we were in his place.   
   
So on we worked, and waited for the light,   
  And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;   
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,   
  Went home and put a bullet through his head.   
« Last Edit: September 04, 2005, 01:16:22 AM by Corvis »

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2005, 01:14:33 AM »
Farewell remorse! All good to me is lost:
Evil, be thou my good.

Milton  :D
Per me si va nella citta dolente.
Per me si va nell eterno dolore.
Per me si va tra la perduta gente...
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2005, 01:18:14 AM »
Now I'm starting to get it! This might possibly be pro-suicide, but in a painless and non-depressing manner. It's also fun to interpretive dance to.

Der noble Ritter Hugo
Von Schwillensaufenstein,
Rode out mit shper and helmet,
Und he coom to de panks of de Rhine.

Und oop dere rose a meermaid,
Vot hadn't got nodings on,
Und she say, "Oh, Ritter Hugo,
Vhere you goes mit yourself alone?"

And he says, "I rides in de creenwood,
Mit helmet und mit shpeer,
Til I coomes into em Gasthaus,
Und dere I trinks some beer."

Und den outshpoke de maiden
Vot hadn't got nodings on:
"I don't dink mooch of beoplesh
Dat goes mit demselfs alone.

"You'd petter coom down in de wasser,
Vhere dere's heaps of dings to see,
Und hafe a shplendid tinner
Und drafel along mit me.

"Dere you sees de fisch a schwimmin',
Und you catches dem efery von:"--
So sang dis wasser maiden
Vot hadn't got nodings on.

"Dere ish drunks all full mit money
In ships dat vent down of old;
Und you helpsh yourself, by dunder!
To shimmerin' crowns of gold.

"Shoost look at dese shpoons und vatches!
Shoost see dese diamant rings!
Coom down and fill your bockets,
Und I'll giss you like efery dings.

"Vot you vantsh mit your schnapps und lager?
Coom down into der Rhine!
Der ish pottles der Kaiser Charlemagne
Vonce filled mit gold-red wine!"

Dat fetched him - he shtood all shpell pound;
She pooled his coat-tails down,
She drawed him oonder der wasser,
De maiden mit nodings on.

 - Hans Breitman

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2005, 01:50:16 AM »
@ Eral - I find intolerance deeply depressing. But I threw in some Nikki Giovanni to prove I'm not completely fluffy ;).

You got to Sing - Like you don't need the money
You got to Love - Like you'll never get hurt
You got to Dance - Like nobodies watching
It's got to come from the Heart if you want it to work.

Guy Clark
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2005, 02:01:00 AM »
Right about now NWA court is in full effect.
Judge Dre presiding in the case of NWA versus the police department.
Prosecuting attourneys are MC Ren Ice Cube and Eazy muthafuckin E.
Order order order. Ice Cube take the muthafuckin stand.
Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth
and nothin but the truth so help your black ass?

Why don't you tell everybody what the fuck you gotta say?

Fuck tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority

Fuck that shit, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk muthafucka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell

Fuckin with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every nigga is sellin narcotics

You'd rather see me in the pen
Then me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo
Beat tha police outta shape
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can't swallow bread and water

I don't know if they fags or what
Search a nigga down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none
But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop

Ice Cube will swarm
On any muthafucka in a blue uniform
Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me
A young nigga on a warpath
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA
Yo Dre, I got somethin to say

Fuck the police
Fuck the police
Fuck the police
Fuck the police

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2005, 02:06:17 AM »
I think that's one for the other side, cliffette, but it's irresistible, I've got to say. That's the funnest "Death and The Maiden" ever.
Jyz, it never occurred to me you were on that team! Thanks for the explanation.

Lift up your head, let
Comfort come through the devil's clouds,
The nightmare's mist
Suspended from the devil's precipice,
Let comfort come slowly, lift
Up your hand to stroke the light,
It's honeyed cheek, soft-talking mouth,
Lift up the blinds over the blind eyes.

Dylan Thomas

You thought it was going to be "And death shall have no dominion", didn't you?
Well I probably will have to, now Corvis is on the case.

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2005, 02:32:16 AM »
The frumious bandersnatch!
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2005, 02:32:40 AM »
Which Team? I'm trying to be life-affirming here.

Back to the classics then -

For "Is" and "Is-not" though with Rule and Line
And "Up-and-down" by Logic I define,
Of all that one should care to fathom, I
Was never deep in anything but - Wine.

Omar Khayyam
« Last Edit: September 04, 2005, 02:37:27 AM by Jyzabyl »
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2005, 02:52:46 AM »
There once was a man named Dave
Who kept a dead whore in a cave.
He said, "What the hell?
I'll get used to the smell.
And think of the money I'll save."
« Last Edit: September 04, 2005, 02:57:16 AM by Corvis »

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2005, 03:16:14 AM »
You know, I'm always deeply deeply ashamed whenever one of Corvis' posts makes me laugh.

Although I think that last one was the showstopper, I will (weakly) retort with this.

Beauty, midnight, vision dies:
Let the winds of dawn that blow
Softly round your dreaming head
Such a day of sweetness show
Eye and knocking heart may bless

W.H.Auden
 
Jyz, are the Sneetches life-affirming? (There's a PhD for someone there.) If they are, you are on this team. If not, it was a score for the Other Side.
Just keep up with nikki and Omar. I thought Richard Cory was going to be one of their best, but Corvis has limericks. I might have to pull out Ogden Nash.
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2005, 03:24:20 AM »
Fine the Gauntlet has been thrown! I'll see your Ogden Nash and raise you Dorothy Parker (The Precursor of Modern Blather Sisters)

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.
But I have a left shoulder-blade that is a miracle of loveliness.  People come miles to see it.

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2005, 06:28:12 AM »
*high five* (I love team work.)

Ghrey, the frumious bandersnatch on its own will have to move to the ambivalent thread with the grave man and Mercutio. Calloo! Callay! would indicate a pro-life tendency, but the vorpal sword scores for the Other Team.  After all the Jabberwock was just minding it's own business there in the woods, when suddenly he gets his head cut off. Not exactly life-affirming. 
« Last Edit: September 04, 2005, 06:38:35 AM by Eral »
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2005, 07:22:24 AM »
The Tao doesn't take sides;
it gives birth to both good and evil.
The master doesn't take sides;
she welcomes both saints and sinners.

The Tao is like a bellows:
it is empty yet infinitely capable.
The more you use it, the more it produces;
the more you talk of it, the less you understand.

Hold on to the center.

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2005, 09:21:38 AM »
Alone, alone, all, all alone,
Alone on a wide wide sea !
And never a saint took pity on
My soul in agony.

The many men, so beautiful !
And they all dead did lie :
And a thousand thousand slimy things
Lived on ; and so did I.

- The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2005, 09:42:51 AM »
ah, I love the RotAM.
Coleridge at his best, I'd say.
One a note of inspiration:

The flag goes with the foul landscape, and our dialect
muffles the drum.

          In the Interior we’ll nourish the most cynical prostitution. We’ll massacre the logical rebellions.

          To the spiced and sodden countries! - in the service of  the most monstrous exploitations, industrial or military.           Farewell here, no matter where. Voluntary conscripts we’ll possess a fierce philosophy: ignorant of science, wily for our comforts: let the world go hang. That’s true progress.  Forward – march!

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2005, 11:37:55 AM »
Bons, you are a genius -that is possibly the ONLY hopeful line in Prufrock. "I have seen the mermaids singing, each to each" nearly makes it, if you ignore the next line.

Do I dare
Disturb the universe?


The questions themselves are not depressing, but the answers.  :)
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2005, 06:18:44 PM »


    When I am dead my dearest,             
          Sing no sad songs for me;
    Plant thou no roses at my head,
           Nor shady cypress tree...

             Christina Rossetti


    And so, as kinsmen met a night,
    We talked between the rooms,
    Until the moss had reached our lips,
    And covered up our names.

            Emily Dickinson



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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2005, 08:01:29 PM »
I'd thought about that Christina Rossetti. :)

This one is for the future drinking contest participants:

To be self-conscious is to worry about everything,
but once drunk, what will be will be.


- Rumi
Newt had always suspected that people who regularly used the word "community" were using it in a very specific sense that excluded him and everyone he knew.

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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2005, 08:08:50 PM »
One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic.

Stalin
Per me si va nella citta dolente.
Per me si va nell eterno dolore.
Per me si va tra la perduta gente...
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2005, 01:26:38 AM »
Delight makes all of the one mind.
W.B. Yeats
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2005, 06:00:29 AM »
I am a tainted wether of the flock,
Meetest for death: the weakest kind of fruit
Drops earliest to the ground; and so let me
You cannot better be employ'd, Bassanio,
Than to live still and write mine epitaph.

- Antonio, The Merchant of Venice, Act IV Scene I
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2005, 06:53:10 AM »
Live so that thou mayest desire to live again - that is thy duty - for in any case thou wilt again!

Nietzsche
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2005, 07:45:48 AM »
Not quite on topic but I weakened and put in a favourite of mine:

Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it.

- P. J. O'Rourke
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Re: To Be or Not to Be
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2005, 02:13:59 PM »
A personal favorite:

The time you won your town the race   
We chaired you through the market-place;   
Man and boy stood cheering by,   
And home we brought you shoulder-high.   
   
To-day, the road all runners come,         
Shoulder-high we bring you home,   
And set you at your threshold down,   
Townsman of a stiller town.   
   
Smart lad, to slip betimes away   
From fields where glory does not stay,   
And early though the laurel grows   
It withers quicker than the rose.   
   
Eyes the shady night has shut   
Cannot see the record cut,   
And silence sounds no worse than cheers   
After earth has stopped the ears:   
   
Now you will not swell the rout   
Of lads that wore their honours out,   
Runners whom renown outran   
And the name died before the man.   
   
So set, before its echoes fade,   
The fleet foot on the sill of shade,   
And hold to the low lintel up   
The still-defended challenge-cup.   
   
And round that early-laurelled head   
Will flock to gaze the strengthless dead,   
And find unwithered on its curls   
The garland briefer than a girl's.