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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2005, 08:42:57 AM »
I don't think that the Shadow Thieves are Cyricists.
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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2005, 09:19:54 AM »
Cyric and Mask, NiGHTMARE seemed to indicate were the two factions of priests among them. I don't think that all Shadow Thieves are Cyricists by any measure though.

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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2005, 11:53:20 AM »
I would imagine that most of them would venerate Mask, yeh, rather than Cyric.
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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2005, 01:55:25 PM »
It's true that the Githyanki are evil, but what I've mentioned in many of my posts (and what Ghreyfain also mentioned in this very thread) is the idea that a virtuous person will, within reason, treat other creatures as justly as possible even though they are "evil" or "don't deserve it".

Justice is just one of many virtues, and it seems to me that it is *lawful* good characters who would place the highest premium on it. I could easily imagine a CG character balancing it against compassion, support for liberty, mercy, etc., and finding it less important.

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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2005, 05:52:55 PM »


Justice is just one of many virtues, and it seems to me that it is *lawful* good characters who would place the highest premium on it. I could easily imagine a CG character balancing it against compassion, support for liberty, mercy, etc., and finding it less important.


Yeah, but rangers are more often NG and CG than LG, and the game still wants them to give back the necklace free of charge (or you don't get exp, from what I've read). :)

But the very fact that you don't know what the PCs intentions are should already mean there shouldn't be a virtue penalty or increase, I would agree.  I was against the gratuitous, inconsistent alignment shifts back in NWN: SoU and HotU, and I'm still against them now.

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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2005, 01:09:55 PM »
I just freed Gont of Riativin from the imprisonment orb thing in the Underdark, and let him go without a fight.  If there's a virtue hit for killing him, why not a virtue gain for sparing him?

I'd also like to propose that killing any innocent person would incur the same penalty, whether that be Joe Schmoe commoner, Drizzt T. Heroman, or an ungrateful jerk you meet in a big cave.
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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2005, 08:48:45 PM »


I'd also like to propose that killing any innocent person would incur the same penalty, whether that be Joe Schmoe commoner, Drizzt T. Heroman, or an ungrateful jerk you meet in a big cave.

I agree completely.

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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2005, 10:07:04 AM »
You've got nothing but their word that Saemon stole it from them. For all you know, he could've got it from its rightful owner and the Githyanki could just be thieves.
Considering what you know of Saemon and the person whom he says gave it to him (Bodhi), a party of nobodies would be paragons of truth in comparison. Unless, of course, you've taken the ship from Spellhold and you know what Githyanki do.

Question: Do you even get the Blade at all if you take the portal? It's been so long since I've gone that route that I forget.
Just regarding a little that topic, keeping the Blade should incur a virtue hit, because:
a) the one who gave it to you, Saemon, is (from all you know) a untrustworthy scoundrel who probably wanted to get rid of it;
b) the Githyanki requested the blade back about 3 times, from all places - clearly it belongs to them (somehow). If they attack you, then that's because of their warlike nature;
c) keeping the blade is greed, because by that time you get lots of magic items and it comes as a free gift anyway. You know it's the right blade, thanks to the Item Description Scroll anyway;
Since they were appearing everywhere for their blade, without attacking me outright, I was sure I owed them the artifact.

I just freed Gont of Riativin from the imprisonment orb thing in the Underdark, and let him go without a fight. If there's a virtue hit for killing him, why not a virtue gain for sparing him?

I'd also like to propose that killing any innocent person would incur the same penalty, whether that be Joe Schmoe commoner, Drizzt T. Heroman, or an ungrateful jerk you meet in a big cave.

I don't know if freeing any madman should be virtuous UNLESS that madman actually suffered/was cast upon and went mad at everyone (similar to Brage from BG1).
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Re: Evolving Virtue-affector list
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2005, 06:08:03 PM »
Gont wasn't a madman though, just a bit disoriented when you first free him. :)  The madmen that you end up freeing you have to kill anyway, because they attack you.

 

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