Author Topic: Archived Posts - Ranger Kits (Read 46079 times)

Lord Kain · « **Reply #125 on:** May 28, 2004, 02:27:30 PM »

i can tell you why the kit was cut.
Because the kit requires the person to be raised in the wild. The PC was raised in candle keep.
So the reason the kit isn't there is because it would be a kit the PC couldn't have.

icelus · « **Reply #126 on:** May 28, 2004, 02:57:22 PM »

Quote from: Lord Kain on May 28, 2004, 02:27:30 PM

i can tell you why the kit was cut.
Because the kit requires the person to be raised in the wild. The PC was raised in candle keep.
So the reason the kit isn't there is because it would be a kit the PC couldn't have.

Yes, that is true, and it is the grounds for the kit's controversy. The same case, however, can be probably made for the barbarian class, but it was included in the final version...

seanas · « **Reply #127 on:** May 28, 2004, 04:55:32 PM »

de-lurking...

true enough about the barbarian but:

barbarians and raised-by-animals stories have very different literary origins (which is where all roleplaying gets its stories, right?). barbarians owe a lot to robert e howard, whose conan remained a barbarian throughout his life *even tho* he spent most of it living in the 'civilised' world: for howard, being a barbarian is basically an inherent property - so that a barbarian child brought up in candlekeep would remain a barbarian even tho they had never lived as a barbarian (it's related to that whole 'noble savage' thing).

kaspar hauser stories (aka children-raised-by-animals) stories, on the other hand, are very different: the child remains a human even though they think they're a wolf, or whatever - and indeed, unless i'm remembering it incorrectly, there are versions of the kapsar hauser story in which the child eventually forgets its upbringing. [true even for tarzan - at within re howard's work, altho not in hollywood's.] child-raised-by-animals is, in literature, a leant identity, not an innate one: the child remain human (or elven, etc, in the roleplaying world) and so may well lose any abilities they were taught by animals if they associated with humans too much. hence, child-raised-by-animals-then gorian wouldnt be feralan, but might be barbarian (if its parents were barbarian, that is).

exec summary: barbarians = within roleplaying genre; feralans = outside roleplaying genre (altho i'd enjoy playing one)

neriana · « **Reply #128 on:** May 29, 2004, 12:05:37 AM »

Any character at all can make sense within the roleplaying genre. That's part of the point. If a swashbuckling dwarf bothers you for some strange reason, don't play one.

Assassins have exactly the same restrictions as every other thief in BG2: they cannot be Lawful Good. That's it.

Ghreyfain · « **Reply #129 on:** May 29, 2004, 01:05:00 AM »

I think Montaron's a good example of a non-stereotypical assassin character. I don't see it being much of a stretch to find an evil elf.

Also, who says a dwarf can't be a PIRATE?! I will kill you and steal your cargo of precious silk!

Dark Raven · « **Reply #130 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:42:46 PM »

What no dwarf monk?

fallen demon · « **Reply #131 on:** June 10, 2004, 12:22:15 AM »

Quote from: Ghreyfain on May 29, 2004, 01:05:00 AM

I think Montaron's a good example of a non-stereotypical assassin character. I don't see it being much of a stretch to find an evil elf.

Also, who says a dwarf can't be a PIRATE?! I will kill you and steal your cargo of precious silk!

I do remember thinking korgan talked like a pirate on occasion.

Jonas · « **Reply #132 on:** June 14, 2004, 06:06:38 AM »

Which is the better warrior? Is the additional THAC0 and speed the Justifiers only advantage over the Fighter? Can the Justifier achieve grand mastery in weapon profs? Or to sum up, why should I play as a Justifier and not as a Fighter?

scott3614 · « **Reply #133 on:** June 14, 2004, 09:04:42 AM »

1. The Justifier gives you two free proficiencies in 2 weapon style,
2. +1 speed factor and THAC0 every 10 lvls,
3. +10% stealth, and
4. PC will ALWAYS be able to cast Cure Light Wounds, Armor of Faith, Luck, Remove Fear, and DUHM. Many of these are innates from BG1 that you will lose permanantly once JonBoy gets you in Spellhold.

Jonas · « **Reply #134 on:** June 14, 2004, 01:51:26 PM »

Yeah, alright. But which is better just as a warrior? Who has the highest damage rolls and stuff? Does the Fighter have any advantages over the Justifier at all?

scott3614 · « **Reply #135 on:** June 14, 2004, 01:56:57 PM »

The damage rolls will be the same. On one hand, the fighter will level up faster because of its XP table, but the Justifier gets two free prof points, the additional THAC0 and speed factor bonuses, and those few spells are yours to cast forever and ever.
I'm going to create a Justifier this afternoon, dual wielding axes and flails. The only drawback I can forsee is that the Justifier cannot get GM in a weapon, only Mastery; but I think this is a good thing as your PC will be able to use a wider variety of weapons.

My $.02

Barren · « **Reply #136 on:** June 14, 2004, 04:30:21 PM »

Also note that without any cheats (such as the ones provided by Ease of Use and the one downloadable at the Baldurdash site), anything beyond normal mastery (two plusses) is near useless.

NiGHTMARE · « **Reply #137 on:** June 14, 2004, 05:06:12 PM »

I wouldn't exactly call +1 to hit or -1 to speed useless.

Kish · « **Reply #138 on:** June 14, 2004, 06:19:17 PM »

I suspect it seems more "useless" to people who are thinking in terms of being "supposed to" get the benefits those levels provide in BG1.

Barren · « **Reply #139 on:** June 14, 2004, 07:32:05 PM »

Quote from: NiGHTMARE on June 14, 2004, 05:06:12 PM

I wouldn't exactly call +1 to hit or -1 to speed useless.

+1 to hit - big deal, when your thaco is -20 or so. Anyway, thac0 (and to an extent, AC) become irrelevant past a certain point.

-1 to speed - so? It's not like the first blow is really important anyway. Unless you have horrendous hp and a critical by kobold kills you - but then, either you don't have grandmastery yet, or you really suck at min-maxing your stats.

NiGHTMARE · « **Reply #140 on:** June 14, 2004, 07:42:59 PM »

But proficiency points are meant to be the most useful towards the start of the game, and you're not exactly going to have -20 THAC0 then are you?

scott3614 · « **Reply #141 on:** June 14, 2004, 08:45:02 PM »

Also, the Justifier can't dual class. If that matters to anyone...

Barren · « **Reply #142 on:** June 15, 2004, 02:12:16 AM »

Quote from: scott3614 on June 14, 2004, 08:45:02 PM

Also, the Justifier can't dual class. If that matters to anyone...

Not even to cleric?

Andyr · « **Reply #143 on:** June 15, 2004, 04:40:44 AM »

Justifiers must be of LG alignment, so you should play a Fighter if you don't want to be LG.

I guess it depends on what you want your character to be. Personally I'd say be a Cleric or a Sorceror... In terms of power, remember that as a fighter can get Grand Mastery they'll get more attacks than the Justifier.

Also, Justifiers are allowed to dualclass to Clerics, I just checked the code.

scott3614 · « **Reply #144 on:** June 15, 2004, 08:10:48 AM »

aaargh, you're right Andyr, I thought 16 would be a high enough WIS to dual to a cleric.
Anyway, does anyone else's Justifier have 12 lvl 1 druid spells available?

Barren · « **Reply #145 on:** June 15, 2004, 05:49:13 PM »

What is your wisdom score?

scott3614 · « **Reply #146 on:** June 15, 2004, 08:30:10 PM »

WIS is 14.

Barren · « **Reply #147 on:** June 15, 2004, 09:35:09 PM »

Wearing any items like the Ring of Holiness or something

jester · « **Reply #148 on:** June 16, 2004, 02:11:29 AM »

The ring of Holiness doesn't boost stats, if it is the one you get from the cyric priest in BG1 IIRC.

Barren · « **Reply #149 on:** June 16, 2004, 10:05:00 AM »

Ring of Holiness: 'Honorary Ring of Sune'
Rings of this type were given to faithful priests of Sune who demonstrated actions of astounding integrity and kindness.

STATISTICS:

Spells: Grants an extra spell of each level from 1st to 4th
Only usable by:
Cleric
Druid

But apparently it's not using by rangers.

News:

Author Topic: Archived Posts - Ranger Kits (Read 46079 times)

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