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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #50 on: March 13, 2005, 12:56:02 PM »
Yeah, paying for a pile of straw in the stables doesn't sound like it'd warrant 25 gold.  Even for six people.
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2005, 01:07:39 PM »
I altered these prices some time ago as I also felt they needed some adjustment. Firstly, all inns and taverns had the same prices which seemed odd as some places are clearly some expensive than others and secondly, I felt that the better rooms were too cheap. I did not base the prices on what the party could afford but what it seemed realistic for each layer of society to be able to pay. I have deleted the prices but I think they were something like this:

Peasent: 1-3
Merchant: 3-10
Noble: 10-20
Royal: 20-50

On a related note, I also altered which rooms are available in the various taverns as some places certainly do not contain noble or royal rooms, and a few taverns have no real rooms at all.

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2005, 03:17:28 PM »
That's good.  I wasn't going to suggest bothering to modify room offers, or even price variance, as that's a bit of work, but at least the prices, especially for the better rooms, were definitely in need of a change.  25 coin may seem much for a night in the stables, but so does getting 1000 coin for running a message or some other simple task.

If you had the time and were interested, you could even modify the benefits of the rooms to make them better.  Instead of just offering to heal 1-4 hp, they could heal a larger amount or a percentage of max hp. 

Peasant: 5 gp, night in the stables, heals 1 hp
Merchant: 25 gp, shared rooms, dinner, heals 5 hp
Noble: 100 gp, private room, dinner/breakfast/tailoring/cold bath, heals 25% hp
Royal: 300 gp, private room, private meals, dinner/breakfast/tailoring/hot bath/eau de toilette, heals 50%

'course, this makes temple services, which I've never used and need to be made desireable, even less needed.  Hmmm...

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2005, 04:13:10 PM »
So, if you have 8 hit points, a merchant room is better than a royal one?

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2005, 04:19:51 PM »
I have no intention of altering the effects of renting a room for the night, and even if I had it would make no difference as that part of the game is hardcoded.

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2005, 04:20:10 PM »
On a related note, I also altered which rooms are available in the various taverns as some places certainly do not contain noble or royal rooms, and a few taverns have no real rooms at all.

Yeah, I was going to say something exactly like that.  Of all the inns not in BG city, I think only Feldepost's would have a royal room, and probably only the Jovial Juggler would have a noble room.  The rest would have peasant/merchant rooms.  Oh, I suppose the Friendly Arm could be considered to have noble rooms, too.

I'm not familiar enough with the inns in BG itself to give any judgment.
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2005, 05:22:39 PM »
I believe the only tavern in Baldur's Gate with royal rooms is Three Old Kegs. Helm and Cloak has noble rooms, Blade and Stars has merchant rooms I believe and both The Elfsong Tavern and The Blushing Mermaid have no rooms at all.

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2005, 05:27:19 PM »
The Blushing Mermaid has the Undercellar, though.  Can you get rooms there?  There's also a bunch of random little inns, which I think by default should be given peasant and merchant rooms, unless you want to go through them all and analyse 'em.
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2005, 05:33:54 PM »
You cannot rent rooms in the Undercellar but one could assume that rooms rented in the Blushing Mermaid are from down below. I do not know if the two places are connected in that way, though. I think I did evaluate every tavern I ran across, which is fairly easy when I am having a look at the area anyway, but I am sure none of them have rooms better than merchant.

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2005, 05:52:04 PM »
Right.  I was just thinking that since you didn't mention, for instance, the Keexie Tavern or whatever it was, that you hadn't factored them into the equation.
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2005, 06:38:34 PM »
I'm not sure how it is in pnp, but the in-game Elfsong certainly has rooms... unless I've been looking at the wrong area file for the past few months (I have Alora staying here in her upcoming BG1 NPC quest) ;).
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2005, 09:08:28 PM »
The Elfsong itself is spacious, but none of the rented rooms really are.  The Elfsong is on the first map the party sees when entering the city.  It's where elminster meets them, where sorcerous sundries and the thieves guild is, etc.  The second floor, where the rooms are, is where the guy is who's blackmailing the noblewoman by the palace, has some banquet-like tables, and where a merchant can be found in the west side who shares the inventory list with the guy from the fair.

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2005, 01:52:21 AM »
The Elfsong does have a couple of rooms but it does not contain a single bed. :)

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2005, 07:36:22 AM »
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2005, 03:05:29 PM »
I recall reading in the manual that it was used as a meeting place for all sorts of shady types, so the rooms are all pretty much just for that, maybe?
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2005, 03:36:57 PM »
That is true. In P&P the rooms in the Elfsong can be rented by the candle for these types of meetings. BioWare were generally very true to the P&P sources on Baldur's Gate and its contents. Most, if not all, of the descriptions of the taverns and inns have been copied and pasted.

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2005, 05:11:01 PM »
Heh, dunno how I never noticed there's no beds ::).  Ah well, I've switched to the nameless inn in SE Baldur's Gate instead.

BTW isn't there supposed to be a stuffed baby beholder above the Elfsong's fireplace? In fact, there's an idea for a quest - someone pinched it, go get it back ;).
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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2005, 05:46:14 PM »
Yes, Volo mentions one hanging above the bar.

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Re: What annoyed you when playing Baldur's Gate?
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2005, 11:29:22 PM »
If you want to see that stuffed beholder, you will have to play Baldur's Gate - Dark Alliance on the PSX2!  ;D

 

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