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Offline Regullus

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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #200 on: April 10, 2005, 02:35:24 PM »
Stop citing sources this instant. >:(

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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #201 on: April 10, 2005, 04:04:56 PM »
Uh.. they're just links?  And you have yourself to thank.  :pirate

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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #202 on: April 10, 2005, 05:58:24 PM »
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism

Support our troops, bring them home.

Who would Jesus bomb?

I love the bumpersticker link. Thank you very much. It made my day. :D

EDIT: Another treat which I just saw at FW: Edit: Dead link

http://americawestandasone.com/video.html

It is truly frightening how much nationalism bullshit you can display in a family friendly way. It had all the good stuff: Racial mixture, but not too much. (Mostly good white kids). Some birds, but none of them naked. A lot of flags and sea (people love beaches) and flags and some more flags.

Good for us this is not working as his failure at lipsynching is almost as abyssmal as the song itself.

But I still would guess that it could pull another 1000 good soldiers to kill for that great country mentioned in the song, because they feel so greatly invigorated by this catchy tune and the heartwarming lyrics.

I think there is not so much difference between 'USA all the way' and 'Germany, above all'.
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #203 on: April 10, 2005, 08:25:24 PM »
Good.  :)

While I'm waiting for that movie to load (I have dial-up), here's the World's Smallest Political Quiz quiz  http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html

(Just for you Regullus.  :D)

edit: that's a 30mB file!  :o  I'll have to take your world for it.  :(
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #204 on: April 10, 2005, 09:32:20 PM »
I R Liberal. No surprise there.
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #205 on: April 11, 2005, 08:14:56 AM »
 Libertarian - but I actually do believe in government's role, to some extent. 8)

 Well, if there just links, I apologize for being paranoid. And yes, I believe, there is a slight correlation between excessive hormone production and pregnancy.

 @Jester - I too am restrained by dial-up and will have to take you at your word.

 @Eral - An excellent idea, virtual Pinot I can do. :)
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #206 on: April 11, 2005, 08:25:59 AM »
@I too am restrained by dial-up and will have to take you at your word.

What the heck! I immediately demand the seizure of all military assets to provide free maximum bandwith for all. Why let the military have all the fun and speed? But don't be sad to miss out on this one. It is very very bad indeed.
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #207 on: April 11, 2005, 03:22:02 PM »
You are a CONSERVATIVE.

CONSERVATIVES tend to favor economic freedom, but frequentlysupport laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional
values." They oppose excessive government control of business,while endorsing government action to defend morality and the traditional family structure. Conservatives usually support a strong military, oppose bureaucracy and high taxes, favor a free-market economy, and endorse strong law enforcement.

Duh, tell me something I don't know.  ;)
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #208 on: April 11, 2005, 03:45:16 PM »
 :o
I thought you were a scoundrel in training. Not an oppressor of the workers! (Anyone who knows the words of the Internationale, this is your cue.)
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #209 on: April 11, 2005, 03:50:51 PM »
Scoudrels-in-Training can be conservatives... I just checked the handbook! :P 

Besides scoudrels oppress everyone, not just workers.  ;)
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #210 on: April 11, 2005, 04:19:05 PM »
Nice try, but I think it's really a stretch to be a conservative scoundrel. It's like a teetotaller pirate. It doesn't wash.
You can't have respect for law and family values without seriously undermining your rep. ;D

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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #211 on: April 11, 2005, 04:45:19 PM »
Depends how you package the concept of 'scoundrel' doesn't it?  Everyone knows its a culturally defined artefact.


Henceforth, a stereotypical scoundrel from the Royal navy in the forties for instance might be typecast as a stout fellow who has an eye for the wrens onboard or the fair lasses at home.

Similarily, if youre retrospectively applying a modern day definition to a a somewhat dated concept of 'scoundrel' such as you are, then its natural very little will wash.
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #212 on: April 11, 2005, 06:09:39 PM »
Exodus, I admire your polysyllables, but it would be more impressive if you would use them correctly.
"Package the concept" - do you mean define? (And please, let's use English. Jargon is so soulless.)
"culturally defined artefact" -do you mean historically? And it's a word, not a thing. As it is not a concrete object the use of the term "artefact" is probably incorrect. "Idea" or "concept" might be more appropriate here.
"Henceforth"- means "from now on." Perhaps you mean "therefore."
"retrospectively applying" - as we were discussing something as it applies in the present time, we couldn't be retrospective, could we?

So what's your opinion on conservative scoundrels?
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #213 on: April 11, 2005, 06:31:02 PM »
Perhaps a conservative scoundrel is one who climbs trees, swings from the mast, carries a... weapon, and tells tales of booty!  And flips her hair.  :)

But believes the government should protect morals. 
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #214 on: April 11, 2005, 06:32:08 PM »
Hey, did you hear about the newborn gorilla and her mother at the Omaha, Neb. zoo?   
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #215 on: April 11, 2005, 11:41:44 PM »
Speaking of dragging this thread back on track. Thanks glain!
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #216 on: April 12, 2005, 12:41:05 AM »
Perhaps a conservative scoundrel is one who climbs trees, swings from the mast, carries a... weapon, and tells tales of booty!  And flips her hair.  :)

But believes the government should protect morals.

Wow... that's amazing... so true... what insight!  (Especially the part about the flipping of her hair ;))   

O... and  besides telling tales of booty, she works non-stop to keep more experiences scoundrels from pinching her booty as well!   :pirate
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #217 on: April 12, 2005, 03:58:15 AM »
Don't forget , while wearing a pink breastplate.

Umm, Jester, it's a 9 page thread. You've got Buckley's.  ;D
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #218 on: April 12, 2005, 05:51:22 AM »
What is Buckley's? Government can never protect morale. :P
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #219 on: April 12, 2005, 06:28:16 PM »
Sorry. The whole phrase is "You've got 2 chances, Buckley's and none." William Buckley escaped from jail in the early 1800's(?)and was presumed to have died of starvation and thirst in the bush. (That's any part of Australia that isn't a city or town.) 17 years later a group of explorers(?) stumbled into a group of Aboriginal people (and for a change, didn't kill them) among whom was a fairly obviously white person. It was Buckley.
Since that time the phrase "You've got Buckley's" means to have a very slim chance because the odds are against you. You may have an astounding piece of good fortune, but we don't think so.

He said morals. Governments can't protect them either, but they get a lot of votes when they say they do.
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #220 on: April 12, 2005, 07:29:07 PM »
Sorry. The whole phrase is "You've got 2 chances, Buckley's and none." William Buckley escaped from jail in the early 1800's(?)and was presumed to have died of starvation and thirst in the bush. (That's any part of Australia that isn't a city or town.) 17 years later a group of explorers(?) stumbled into a group of Aboriginal people (and for a change, didn't kill them) among whom was a fairly obviously white person. It was Buckley.
Since that time the phrase "You've got Buckley's" means to have a very slim chance because the odds are against you. You may have an astounding piece of good fortune, but we don't think so.

He said morals. Governments can't protect them either, but they get a lot of votes when they say they do.

There was also an effort to change "Two chances, Buckleys and None." to Bradburys. Or something similar. After Australian Speedskater Steven Bradbury won Australias First (or was it second. Or first for that years games) Winter Olympic Gold medal after the other three competitors crashed out the final corner :)

(I might be misremembering names. It's been a while. And I'm procrastinating)
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #221 on: April 12, 2005, 08:10:47 PM »
Heh, thanks! ;) I guess I can live with that.
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #222 on: April 13, 2005, 07:11:02 AM »
I'm so disappointed.  But credit you for your courage, g'lain.  ;)

And as a side note, I will never post another quiz in here again.  ::)

But believes the government should protect morals.

Uh.  ...  Oh?
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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #223 on: April 13, 2005, 11:48:24 AM »
But believes the government should protect morals.

Uh.  ...  Oh?

 I think Icelus was referring to glain.

 I think if we were to be honest we would admit most (all) governments, instituitions, propagandize, and in many cases,  we would agree with the propaganda or less contentiously(?) the pov, some use a sledgehammer, imo, communism which imo turned state into religion, and others, more subtle methods. Also does it not behoove a government to try and perpetuate a certain type of citizenship?

 The libertarian in me is appalled by how much control we wish in some cases for our (take your pick of countries)  government to have. After all isn't the concept of most utopias the control of the state over the individual? For the good of society. ::)

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Re: speaking of stating the obvious.
« Reply #224 on: April 13, 2005, 06:06:09 PM »
Also does it not behoove a government to try and perpetuate a certain type of citizenship?

Only if they want to maintain their position of power. It is supposed to be "of the people, for the people, by the people". But really it's "what can I manipulate the suckers into thinking so I can continue in my position." If you live in a democracy-style country, the media is used. If you live in an authoritarian-style country, they use soldiers as well. 

There will always be conflicts between what people think is right and allowable and what is wrong and should be restrained by law.
There will always be problems when we make laws that govern everyone based on beliefs that are not held by all.

Utopia is that? Icky.
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