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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2004, 04:02:38 PM »
Well, frankly, while Arcanum had great story it was mechanically disastrous, IMO. Especially the implementation of the multiplayer game made no sense at all from my point of view. I was tempted to take the game back to the store since the package said: 'play the adventure in a multiplayer game'. Could you do that? NO! But the story of the single player game was excellent, I'll give you that.

So maybe they should take heed from both TOEE (haven't tried it though) and Arcanum since the apparently fail in opposite aspects. :D

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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2004, 04:36:10 PM »
I liked Arcanum system a lot, but graphics killed it for me... at least for now. it was *horribly* inattractive.

All I want is a game which has artwork of IWD, party system of BG1/2, storyline richness and amount of NPCs as BG1 and character depth of BG2. Oh, and no circualr menues... if they call it Bg3 - I'd buy it, if they'd call it "the story of Nym and a rotten egg" I'd buy it... and I do not care who develops it. I firmly believe that it is doable.

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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2004, 01:15:01 AM »
I really hope that BG3 will be a remake (done right) rather than continuation of the story; which is finnished in my opinion.

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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2004, 05:11:46 AM »
If it's like TOEE and has (shudder) a radial menu I won't be able to play it.
If it's like Arcanum and has horribly complicated character creation and interface, I won't be able to play it.
If it's like NWN and has terrible AI I won't be able to play it.

At this point I think we need to know the NAMES of the people who will be coding it before we can get at all excited.
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2004, 08:48:43 AM »
Infogrames has been in the personal computer (NOT IBM PC) market for years.
The earliest Infogrames game I played was Vera Cruz, on the ZX Spectrum.
They have a mouse/hamster(?) on their logo.

Infogrames also made the Alone in the Dark (and it's spiritual successors, Shadow of the Comet and Prisoner of Ice) Cthulhu games.
Infogrames had a hand in Civilization III.  That's why it's familiar.  :)

ToEE was painful for more than that radial menu.

Arcanum - at least it was something different and it worked right outta the box.  8)

NWN... pfft.

Eral, you lost me.  bioWare proved that even "big names" can screw things up  ;D

What's Jefferson got to do with anything?  Other than it was cancelled..  ???
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2004, 01:50:37 PM »
'The story of Nym and a rotten egg' is apparently already in the works according to E3 rumours. I don't know who the publisher is though.
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2004, 02:12:36 PM »
All this NWN bashing is angering the blood.
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2004, 07:14:55 AM »
Cybersquirt, I mention Jefferson for just that reason.There was going to be a BG3- look, here's some screenshots, they even said- and what did we get? Nada.They SAY there's going to be a BG3. Like Jefferson was going to be BG3. And NWN.(I'm sorry, My FinalHeaven, I was bitterly disappointed in NWN. I couldn't play as a mage and not get killed by goblins- because my henchman, familiar and summoned creatures wouldn't recognise spellcasting as an offensive move, and just stood there.) And then they don't make anything remotely resembling a game you could be fooled into thinking was a BG3.
With plot. A story. Characters. Inter-action. Inventories. Shops. Spells.Big shiny +4 weapons. Boots of speed.
Don't mention the name Bioware to me. (The dirty sell-outs.) Of course big names can screw things up.They also disregard their loyal fan base to appeal to lovers of FPS, as I think I have had occasion to mention before.
So until I read the first threads on the alleged BG3 site discussing what's good and bad about the game,and the players actually say ,This is BG3, I shall be remembering Jefferson like Billy-oh.

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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2004, 01:02:05 AM »
All this Bioware bashing is angering the blood.
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2004, 01:56:46 AM »
There's at least ONE other developer with extensive D&D knowledge and no cheese....
SSI. Their Ravenloft games  + Menzoberranzan were bang on the rules and made utter sense - PNP CRPG if you can call it that.
Let's not mention Descent to Undermountain, from what I've read(haven't played it yet tho' I have it) even goblins can hit AC0 people 30% of the time...

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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2004, 06:21:25 AM »
You mean there used to be at least one other developer with extensive D&D knowledge and no cheese.  SSI went bust years ago.

Besides, whenever someone mentions SSI, it always reminds me of what they did to the Eye of the Beholder series.  The first two EoB games were masterpieces of gaming created by Westwood Stuidos.  The last EoB game was a pile of gaming garbage created by SSI.  If it weren't for SSI, the series may well have continued :(.
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2004, 06:48:31 AM »
Bioware bashers? If it was not for them there would be no BG or NWN, there for no mod sites like this. If you think Bioware sucks then why are you here to begin with? Obviously you must not like Baldur's Gate since it was made by Bioware.
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2004, 07:13:28 AM »
(oh aye, obviously  ::)  ..why did you change your name?)

Seems to me the did not make BG1 or 2 on their own.  I wonder how many folks were on board for both games?

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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2004, 08:47:23 AM »
Bioware bashers? If it was not for them there would be no BG or NWN, there for no mod sites like this. If you think Bioware sucks then why are you here to begin with? Obviously you must not like Baldur's Gate since it was made by Bioware.

The BG series was created several years ago, and Bioware has changed a lot since then.  New employees have arrived, old employees have left, other old employees are still there but have gone partially insane and forgotten what makes a good game, etc.  So just because they're a not-so good company now doesn't mean they weren't a superb company a few years ago.

BTW saying "there would be no NWN" as if it's a bad thing in a thread full of NWN bashing is a bit of a silly thing to do, surely? :P
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2004, 09:23:16 AM »
Knights of the Old Republic was a great game.And NWN was not meant to be Baldurs Gate 3.
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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2004, 10:53:46 AM »
I never said KoToR wasn't good ;).  But the thing is, very few of the people who worked on KoToR also worked on NWN, and visa versa.

The problem isn't that NWN is not Baldur's Gate 3, the problem is that NWN is a terrible game.  Now if they had marketed NWN as they should have done, i.e. a construction kit with a sample campaign included, rather than a fully fledged game with a construction kit included, people might look at things differently...
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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2004, 03:46:11 PM »
NWN is not a "terrible game". Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is a terrible game. Might and Magic IX, Dungeon Siege, and Beyond the Beyond are terrible games.

Bioware obviously wanted to just make a toolset with NWN, then belatedly realized that no one would buy it without a single-player campaign out of the box. Therefore the campaign is tacked-on and not as good as it could have been, though it's not awful either. They needed to make money and released it in an imperfect state. I saw it marketed as a toolset with a campaign included myself, but Bioware's marketing department is certainly not squeaky clean. This does not make them villains, nor does it make the OC "terrible". Shadows of Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark are much better, though HotU being incompatible with multiplayer play without a fan-created patch is rather ridiculous for a game founded on multiplayer, and the way Bioware has responded to complaints about this doesn't really reflect well on them either.

Knights of the Old Republic is an excellent game, one of the best I have ever played. I don't have "faith" in Bioware, they're just a company run by human beings who want to enjoy their jobs and make money at the same time. However, I will buy a Bioware title without reading reviews, and I can't say that about any other game company.

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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2004, 04:06:06 PM »
Personally, I much preferred Dungeon Siege and even Brotherhood of Steel to NWN :P.
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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2004, 04:10:50 PM »
Ah, I think one thing I like about NWN is that it gives you a stimulus to create your own module. It is unfortunate that it is 3D, has overcomplicated rule set and a sad multitude of classes/kits/races etc, but otoh some may see it as an advantage.

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« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2004, 04:18:14 PM »
A mod orientated 3D RPG engine is a great idea in theory.  As NWN proved, it's not neccessarily great in practice.

A well designed 3D engine is quite capable of delivering graphics equal to or better than those presented by a 2D engine such as the Infinity Engine (let's not forget that all the IE graphics started out life as 3D models!), but NWN is rather lacking in this department.  Even considering it's age, the Aurora engine is very plain looking; there were numerous better looking games around well before NWN was even released.

NWN's campaign/map design could have been a lot better too.  For example, instead of tilesets they should have allowed you to set textures like you would in an FPS engine.  This would have enabled you to create enitrely unique looking areas in hardly any amount of time at all; a new tileset, on the hand, takes bloody ages to create.
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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2004, 04:30:46 PM »
NWN is a good game but I don't know I still felt dissapointed after playing the OC and the two expansions...I was hoping that it would be just as good as BG or *even* better and maybe that has something to do with it
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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2004, 04:38:19 PM »
Ah, I think one thing I like about NWN is that it gives you a stimulus to create your own module. It is unfortunate that it is 3D, has overcomplicated rule set and a sad multitude of classes/kits/races etc, but otoh some may see it as an advantage.
Sad multitude?

Eleven classes is a sad multitude?  Zero kits (the concept of a kit is 2ed)?   (You might mean prestige classes, but they're only in the expansions anyway.)  Six races?
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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2004, 04:52:53 PM »
I mean prestige classes and things like kobolds etc - I saw that they are being integrated in the expansions. If I am wrong - I appologise. I guess I should have said feats or whatever you call this - the agonizing process of character creation which with only one character to develop is overwhelming - imo.

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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2004, 04:59:16 PM »
NWN's campaign/map design could have been a lot better too.  For example, instead of tilesets they should have allowed you to set textures like you would in an FPS engine.  This would have enabled you to create enitrely unique looking areas in hardly any amount of time at all; a new tileset, on the hand, takes bloody ages to create.

I have to say that NWN graphics is ugly and using game sets also leads to non-uniqueness. It is very rigid as well (from my experience) I did not play with the set for very long but squarish looking streams and hills were not pretty. Also the fact that you have to buy an expansion to obtain more tilesets is uninspiring, since I never even finished Chapter 1 of the original campaign (my character was continously killed by some spider, and without a party it was boring like hell)

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Re: Baldur's Gate III Announced
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2004, 12:56:08 AM »
I wouldn't midn if the henchmen's level and feat selections were palyer controled, as well as more of their actions.  Otherwise, things can get very incovenient.

 

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