Author Topic: Just downloaded Sola. I love him, and I'm not gay!  (Read 19898 times)

Adrian

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Just downloaded Sola. I love him, and I'm not gay!
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2003, 11:48:55 AM »
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chloe mod IS created by a woman...
It's not important BY whom was created, but FOR whom...
Just a quote: " Chloe is here, and she has her eyes on YOU. . . and Imoen. Are you up for the challenge?"
"vomiting smiley"
It's clear for whom it was created.

PS. Anyway, this was the less importan part of my post, and everybody is just grabbing to that part. :rolleyes:  

Chloé_Watermeade

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« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2003, 04:31:36 PM »
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chloe mod IS created by a woman...
It's not important BY whom was created, but FOR whom...
Just a quote: " Chloe is here, and she has her eyes on YOU. . . and Imoen. Are you up for the challenge?"
"vomiting smiley"
It's clear for whom it was created.

PS. Anyway, this was the less importan part of my post, and everybody is just grabbing to that part. :rolleyes:
You know, Adrian, I'm not the creator, I'm just one of the translators of the Chloe mod, but as far as I can tell, it was created for anyone who wants to play it, be they lonely straight males, not-quite-as-lonely lesbian females or anything in between. In my humble opinion, it is quite a little dangerous to presume it was created for 'lonely str8 males'

Your other comment:
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(and this boring fanatics who try to fill this game with useless lesbo-porn-NPC's)

Implies that you've haven't read anything about this mod, and actually, I find your assumption of it being a 'lesbo-porn' mod to be a little off the mark.  I suggest reading up a little on that over at the Chloe forum. Wether it is useless or not I leave up to you, since if *you* don't like to have a kensai in your party, that assumption is entirely correct. For you.

If Lucy is a boring fanatic I don't know, but neither do you. Personally, I think she's far from being boring, but then that's my own personal opinion. You're entitled to yours however.

Oh, by the way, I've read over the dialogue files, and there's no porn to be found in there... strange, for a lesbo-porn-NPC. *shrugs*

Chloé Watermeade
« Last Edit: August 13, 2003, 04:34:27 PM by Chloé_Watermeade »

Sphira

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Just downloaded Sola. I love him, and I'm not gay!
« Reply #77 on: August 18, 2003, 11:00:31 PM »
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" Chloe is here, and she has her eyes on YOU. . . and Imoen. Are you up for the challenge?"
"vomiting smiley"
It's clear for whom it was created.
 
Sounds like good adveristing to me. Most of the folks who play BG2 are straight males.  :rolleyes: From what I've read on the previews it seems like a well planned mod.
 

Tenma

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« Reply #78 on: January 31, 2004, 07:33:34 PM »
Er...on the subject of one's orientation being nature versus nuture, I think it's a combination of the two. I have two friends at school, identical twin sisters. One's straight. The other's a lesbian. -shrug-

As for Solaufein...the whole female hierachy in Drow cultures could possibly make males shy away from females, and seek relationships in other males. But from the way Wei created him to be, I'd just assume he's bi, and leave it at that.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2004, 08:00:00 PM by Tenma »

kirkjobsluder

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« Reply #79 on: January 31, 2004, 10:25:37 PM »
Hrm, old thread but...

I didn't think that there really was enough there in the Bioware Sola modules to exclude a Bisexual revision of his character.  Within the game, we are only told about one problematic relationship in his life.  The rest of the details are left up to the imagination and the author of Sola managed to spin a plausible story around it.  I know plenty of gay and bisexual men who had serious relationships with MOTOS (members of the opposite sex) before coming out.  So the possibility that Sola would fall in love with the first person who treats him as an equal after being liberated from the constraints of drow society is not that far from realism.

In regards to drow culture, oh, I'm having trouble thinking how to explain this.  I see drow culture as a big pecking order with Loth at the top, women under Loth, men next and slaves at the bottom.  You can get away with anything, as long as you don't piss off anyone above you.  There are, and have been cultures in which homosexual behavior is acceptable as long as it is a higher-status person getting pleasure from a lower-status person.  The higher-status person is not even considered to be "gay" or "homosexual".  This is how I see drow sexuality working (a definite turn-off for this bisexual man.)  I don't think that anyone in drow societies would care about master-apprentice or mistress-novate relationships.  Just don't do it in the street and frighten the spiders.  And you can do anything with a slave as long as you properly dispose of it aftewards.  

The only real taboos I see for drow sexuality are love and equality.  Love is a liability and an equal means someone has to move up or down.

Baltrek

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Just downloaded Sola. I love him, and I'm not gay!
« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2004, 09:01:39 AM »
Warp in a girdle of Femininity/Masculinity, and change his picture...

Jolyth

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« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2004, 09:20:08 AM »
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Warp in a girdle of Femininity/Masculinity, and change his picture...

I would recommend this only if one wishes to crash the mod...

Baltrek

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« Reply #82 on: March 04, 2004, 12:13:53 PM »
Just tossing that out there for the homophobes, I usually play a female PC.

Elwen

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Just downloaded Sola. I love him, and I'm not gay!
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2004, 04:54:28 AM »
*casts Raise Dead on the topic* What? I just thought the arguments were interesting...*sweatdrops*


Anyway, since I'm new, I must as well introduce myself. My name's Elwen.


Now that the red tape is out of the way...I noticed the sharp divide in this topic. Most of those who were against the idea of Solaufein being bi were (presumably) male, while most of those who were tolerant/didn't mind/for it were female.

Interesting little trend, hm?

Here's my theory on this trend, evolved from four or five years as a slash/yaoi writer (*specialized term-slash/yaoi is a subclass of fanfiction dealing with m/m relationships), I've noticed that 3/4 of all slash authors/readers are FEMALE, with the few exceptions, such as my boyfriend.

The popularity of yaoi (Japanese term) started in Japan, because girls wanted to see something of an equal relationship between partners, and a male-female relationship wasn't exactly equal: but two men could be.

Or, it's the reverse of the old men-find-lesbians-hot cliche. Simple terms. *shrug*

Personally, I actually liked the idea of a bi male NPC. Why? I always end up playing a male character, but I can't play a straight male character. Don't ask me why.

And I didn't find it all that OOC-as others have stated, all we know of Solaufein is this:

1) He had a female lover.
2) The boy's definitely NOT a virgin. (Tell me-how much of a chance is there of that? *snorts* .0000000000000000000000001%, and that's being generous.)

I personally prefer to believe he's bi. Once again, it's up to you. If you don't like him hitting on you, then turn him down. Simple as that.  

BobTokyo

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« Reply #84 on: April 04, 2004, 09:59:32 PM »
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*casts Raise Dead on the topic* What? I just thought the arguments were interesting...*sweatdrops*


Anyway, since I'm new, I must as well introduce myself. My name's Elwen.


Now that the red tape is out of the way...I noticed the sharp divide in this topic. Most of those who were against the idea of Solaufein being bi were (presumably) male, while most of those who were tolerant/didn't mind/for it were female.

Interesting little trend, hm?

Here's my theory on this trend, evolved from four or five years as a slash/yaoi writer (*specialized term-slash/yaoi is a subclass of fanfiction dealing with m/m relationships), I've noticed that 3/4 of all slash authors/readers are FEMALE, with the few exceptions, such as my boyfriend.

The popularity of yaoi (Japanese term) started in Japan, because girls wanted to see something of an equal relationship between partners, and a male-female relationship wasn't exactly equal: but two men could be.

Or, it's the reverse of the old men-find-lesbians-hot cliche. Simple terms. *shrug*

Personally, I actually liked the idea of a bi male NPC. Why? I always end up playing a male character, but I can't play a straight male character. Don't ask me why.

And I didn't find it all that OOC-as others have stated, all we know of Solaufein is this:

1) He had a female lover.
2) The boy's definitely NOT a virgin. (Tell me-how much of a chance is there of that? *snorts* .0000000000000000000000001%, and that's being generous.)

I personally prefer to believe he's bi. Once again, it's up to you. If you don't like him hitting on you, then turn him down. Simple as that.
Actually Japanese Yaoi manga has its origins in Takarazuka (women only theater). Laws intended to curb prostitution in the late 1800s/early 1900s (may have the dates wrong, and can't be arsed to look it up) resulted in women's theatre troops that performed (at first) for all female audiences. Women played both male and female roles. They're still popular today; love stories with a female "male" lead have all of the romance and none of the threat, something that can be appealing, especially to a younger female audience (and of course to others). I'm sure that current western slash fiction has links to Yaoi manga, but slash was popular in the fan community for many years before much manga at all was reaching a western audience.

As to the Sola romance, it is what it is. I would have prefered a more interesting "friendship" path for those that like to play with a straight male PC, but then I'd also have prefered more of a friendship path with all of the Bioware romantic interests. Sola is overall a very well done mod.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2004, 10:00:54 PM by BobTokyo »

ensaro dai

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Re: Just downloaded Sola. I love him, and I'm not gay!
« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2004, 09:22:53 AM »
Wow. Wes, you done good. Clap everyone!

*half-hearted clapping from room*

CLAP BETTER YOU SONS OF MOTHERS OR I'M GONNA STEAL ALL YOUR DISC 2's!!!

*hearty round of applause*

Thats better. He really is a cool charicter, and the dialog is cool. Deep phioshophical discussions. Poetry. Mispronunciations of Gods names. And a really strong charater with a tough battle. Yup, Sola rocks.


If u'd seen the BG1 picture of Jaheira u wouldnt think her ugly i guess ^^

(http://www.gamebanshee.com/baldursgate/npcs/screenshots/jaheira.jpg)
One thing. Could a nice, sweet, non-Viconia version of Sola be made. Like a slightly tougher Aerie, but a drow? I dont like Viconia, too much of a biatch for me, and Jaheira is just too damn ugly. And old. That leaves Aerie, and whilst she has a nice voice, which translates well to IWD2, she isnt very strong. She's a wimp. But a nice, strong and yet honest female drow, maybe someone Sola knows of, and can vouch for, would be nice.

Just an idea.

Prine

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Re: Just downloaded Sola. I love him, and I'm not gay!
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2004, 12:02:26 AM »
Maybe add a "toggle bisexuality" hotkey into his script.

But then I suppose everyone would be arguing over the default setting.

(For the record, I'd prefer cameraderie over romance from Sola when playing a male character.)

 

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