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Miscellany, Inc. => Ensign First Class Blather => Topic started by: berelinde on July 26, 2006, 06:10:36 PM
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I know this is not the G3 forum, but a lot of folks here are active on both.
Has anyone been having trouble loging in to the G3 forum today?
Thanks in advance.
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They're doing actual maintenance (as opposed to "fething civfanatics" maintenance), I'm sure it'll be up at the dawg's earliest opportunity.
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That's a relief. For a while, there, I was wondering if someone broke into my house, hijacked my computer, and posted something foul enough to get me permanently locked out.
I guess everything really does need maintenance from time to time.
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Cam's posted an announcement on the forum page, http://www.forums.gibberlings3.net
In short, it's nothing he or any of the rest of us can do anything about at the moment:
The forums are currently down. In an effort to repair the database to address an issue with the wiki, the web host mucked around in the database and basically made the database unusuable for both the forums and portrait gallery. We're now awaiting support to restore a backup version of the database to bring the forums back online. Despite repeated assurances that "it's being worked on", is a "top priority" and that they're "aware of the seriousness of the issue", we're still going on 11 hours (as of 7PM Eastern) without a database restoration.
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OMGWTF Jason, you killed another nice neighbourhood modding community!!! Ken cannot hold a candle to you when it comes to pure evil overlordliness.
@BGhead
BTW posting a message that the very forum is down in which you are posting would be an excellent trick, if you can pull it off AND are not the admin yourself. Kudos.
Edit: Typo, sort of.
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Let's just say I'm very unhappy. Apologies all around. :(
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OMGWTF Jason, you killed another nice neighbourhood modding community!!! Ken cannot hold a candle to you when it comes to pure evil overlordliness.
Yeah, I was sick of CamDawg's unhealthy tendencies (http://forums.blackwyrmlair.net/index.php?showtopic=1987) so I decided to torpedo his site. As a warning to everybody else out there.
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Awww, CamDawg just wanted to make sure I actually had a day off. Pretty sweet of him, if you ask me (and of COURSE it is all ablut me ;))
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@CamDawg -- Out of curiousity, how often is a backup performed on the database?
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The wiki. I should've known. If ever there was a populist tool...
Wouldn't it be funny if all the fixpack material was lost? Har.
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OMGWTF Jason, you killed another nice neighbourhood modding community!!! Ken cannot hold a candle to you when it comes to pure evil overlordliness.
Yeah, I was sick of CamDawg's unhealthy tendencies (http://forums.blackwyrmlair.net/index.php?showtopic=1987) so I decided to torpedo his site. As a warning to everybody else out there.
Holy christ I almost dozed off reading some of those long winded posts.
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Yeah, I was sick of CamDawg's unhealthy tendencies (http://forums.blackwyrmlair.net/index.php?showtopic=1987) so I decided to torpedo his site. As a warning to everybody else out there.
ROFL
I hope G3 comes online soon. It was only recently that I thought G3 to be the only forum that nearly never has a downtime. Maybe I should have knocked on wood. :(
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Hey, Eirik--
Like the sig!
BGhead (berelinde on G3)
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I wish only that people would be more understanding with all the creatives with issues with combati, combatibi,...
*sniff*
I cannot get myself to say the word. Creatives are not meant to fit in. Just think of the brave guys who made 'But for the Grace of Gods' what it is today. Well, would have been today, had it been made, if the rulemongers wouldn't have weiduized the project to death (I am not certain about the last bit but wherever the soft, tiny leaves of the orchid of ingenuity blossom I am sure the iron fist of conformity is about to strike.)
The consumers duck and cover and take willingly mods in a great variety which actually work together. But for how long can the bureaucrats triumph? Those who'd rather CTD twice per session than admit that some great ideas don't mix, value the grandeur of the plan more than the actual gameplay. More power to them. I always liked the ida that if you fail, you have to fail gloriously.
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Good lord, is this what happens when one forum goes down?
Still, I guess we have to amuse ourselves somehow ;)
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If anybody wants to hear from the "grass," it would be helpful if players could be told why a mod is not compatible with other mods. For example, if a mod replaces an area, the readme should say so. It need not go into extensive detail. That would ruin the surprises the author worked hard to create. Something along the lines of "This mod replaces areas. This has the potential to affect the compatibility of mods which use those areas."
Belerinde, I wanted to say that while *very* desirable, this, unfortunately, requires the familiarity with all other mods on the market, and well, I can only speak for myself, but I did not play good 99% of the mods out there. Luckily, the possible incompatibility issues I am aware of are either conversational (ie Suna Seni vs Corthala Romantique) or have been thanks goodness addressed by tireless Cmorgan.
BG2 is an especially difficult subject, I think, being now over-populated with various mods. I am afraid we will not be able to avoid incompats and people trying to do the same thing in a different way, trying to use the same non-joinable and the same area for their add-ons. While I completely disagree with Baronius about creativity vs compatibility argument or the sentiment of "I don't give a rat's ass about all other mods, my mod gives a player everything you ever wanted", my hair raises when I see people's debug logs with hundreds of components installed onto ye old BG2.
I'm glad that PPG and Co moved on to creating a different commercial game altogether.
It is unfortunate that NWN was not made to appeal to the most of us.
The question is if we finally came to the dead end or a fork in the road. And if it is a fork, where does it lead.
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Um, not for nothing, but that was posted to another board.
I don't particularly care, because I did not write anything there that people here should not see, but I don't know the cross-posting policies of either site.
But I'm not sure where you are going with that post. I understand compatibility issues. I was not getting involved in the philosophical side of it because as a non-modder, I am not qualified. I stated a preference, but that is only a preference. I do not expect anyone to change their plans on my account. I would not dream of telling someone what to write any more than I would tell them what to wear or who to marry.
The only aspect of the discussion in which I felt eligible to participate involved *informing* players about compatibility issues.
If you are writing a mod, I do not expect you to tailor it to suit my installation, but I have a reasonable expectation that you might attempt to predict compatibility issues and identify them in the readme. I would not expect a listing of each and every mod out there-- there are hundreds. But I might expect a few of the more popular mods. I would certainly expect a generic warning like "This mod will overwrite areas. Please check your installation to ensure that no other installed mods are affected." If somebody is curious, and there is still support available, the potential consumer could find out which areas.
Anyway, I hope I have explained my opinion on cross-mod compatibility: Write what you please, but tell me.
Funny: I was just reading your post of last fall about Corthala Romantique. Are you back into BG2 again?
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Oh, gods, no, I am not saying you are wrong. I think you are right. It's just that one can only do it to the best of his/her ability and familiarity with the other mods, even the most popular ones. Incompatibility could show up when you did not expect it at all, because to your best knowledge you did an NPC mod that flexibly appends texts and scripts. But then some other mod decided to use the same non-joinable character or add a bit of story to the same joinable NPC you are working with, or add a similar component (or it was always was doing that unbecknowest to you) - and here we go, incompat. And you'll not know unless it was reported.
I'd post on BWL, but the thread got closed off, of course.
And I sort of hope that I'll never have to run BG2 again, even though I know that I will have to, to fix a few glitches.... I'm a sort of person who just moves on.
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You have raised not one, but three interesting points.
The first is the obvious incompatibility of mutually exclusive NPC mods. I would expect that they would be incompatible. For example, I know that a romaceable Edwin mod is in the works, so I would probably expect that would have an effect on numerous other mods, not all of which would center on Edwin. Tricky. That would have to be a case of "try it and see."
The second is that sometimes, the original author is no longer actively supporting the mod. People do move on. That does not make thier previous efforts less worthwhile. But change would be impossible unless someone else assumed responsiblity for those changes.
The third is the general flexibility of the engine. There is a lot you can do, and a lot you might not predict. No harm done. The best anyone can hope for is that the issue is something someone else can recreate locally should unexpected issues arise.
About your own BG2 situation: burnout happens, as does boredom. Sometimes one does have to move on. But it is nice to see you still care enough to get involved at whatever level is comfortable for you.
Finally, I'd like to point out that I don't take myself too seriously, so neither should anyone else. We're all just having fun. I hope.
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It is unfortunate that NWN was not made to appeal to the most of us.
I for one have high hopes for NWN 2. :)
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What Andyr failed to mention is that he enjoys disappointment.
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Not to change the subject ;) but CamDawg has been pretty quiet. The portraits page was up biefly today; I do hope he is in a better mood. :)
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Yes, I'm sure enticing his visitors with brief operability and then taking it all away has really cheered him up. :-)
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Poor guy. What a nightmare.
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Well, that explains my frustrating attempts to access G3. I think it is the only forum that I've never received a database error for. Oh well, the honeymoon couldn't last forever. :)
I wish the forum a speedy recovery and CamDawg a free holiday on some tropical island, sipping very strong cocktails.
Wow, after reading the first page of that thread JC linked to, I think Baronius needs a really harsh Editor. Less is more. ;)
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Not to change the subject ;) but CamDawg has been pretty quiet. The portraits page was up biefly today; I do hope he is in a better mood. :)
I think he's still gathering supplies for a siege on the hosting company until they get round to fixing it.
Well, that explains my frustrating attempts to access G3. I think it is the only forum that I've never received a database error for. Oh well, the honeymoon couldn't last forever. :)
Yeah, I've not had problems with it until these past few days either.
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Not to change the subject ;) but CamDawg has been pretty quiet. The portraits page was up biefly today; I do hope he is in a better mood. :)
I think he's still gathering supplies for a siege on the hosting company until they get round to fixing it.
Used Battling Ram For Sale:
Hundred feet in length; head of black steel, shaped in the likeness of a ravenous wolf. Only one previous owner. Mountain trolls optional.
;)
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Actually, I am waiting to hear which way the penny will drop on NWN2. It sounds that they at least tried to address the square worlds issue.
Damn, I am just having this bad feeling that G3 will be down for the weekend, seeing how today is Friday. (Wanders off in search of a catapult to present Cam with)
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Very, very unhappy. On the upside, we're getting a new host.
I'll post details of the saga once it's over and I'm slightly less than furious.
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Much wub for CamDawg.
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I am available for funerals... I can bugle a mean taps. Of course, I do also know some very discrete large South Side gentlemen who can make things (objects, cars, people) disappear.
(Hey, this is Chicago, remember 8)).
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So when will gibberlings3.eu be up?
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Too bad Alec's not around lately--he always threatened to launch Gibberlings 3000 when he went rogue. :)
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*sighs*
*hugs Cam*
Also... Bev is bored... ;D
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Very, very unhappy. On the upside, we're getting a new host.
I'll post details of the saga once it's over and I'm slightly less than furious.
Uh, i didn't know this is so serious.
I hope you managed to salvage the data.
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I believe the new host was planned before this major suckage happened.
*feels homeless*
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Uh, i didn't know this is so serious.
I hope you managed to salvage the data.
Well, that's the whole issue--this really could not have happened at a worse time. I recently moved, so my last opportunity to backup the database was 7/17. By the time I was back online fully, the database had been corrupted. The reason why iPower sucks is that they have a more recent backup (7/25) but have yet to restore it, though I've been assured on every support call that it is a 'top priority' and would be fixed either 'asap' or 'in a few hours'. (If I had the 7/25 data, I could do the restore myself in ~20 minutes, instead of the 90 hours we've been waiting for iPower.) I'd rather not lose those eight days--I know BG1 NPC has been very active in playtesting for v12 and we'd also lose a lot of the good, initial Fixpack feedback we've recieved--but had I known it was going to take such a ridiculous amount of time for a DB restore I would have just bitten the bullet and gone from my backup. At this rate, we still might.
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At this rate, we still might.
Please don't do that. :-\
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From a BG1NPC perspective, don't worry, CamDawg... while we might be missing some data and some specific emails/posts (I was using the forum as primary storage), I have backups of most of the really important data; I have read too many posts from good modders who have lost major portions of their work due to accident (and my wife is a museum pro/archeoloist. She doesn't move a finger without three different backup sources in place, a habit I have come to respect). We might be missing the community conversation aspect/"historical record", but the data mining was complete at the end of each day.
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We live again. Thanks for the concern everyone, and apologies for the ridiculous amount of downtime.
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Thanks for bringing it back and doing all the work to keep it up to date, Cam. We've all missed the familiar blue buttons with a gibberling on it. :)
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Oh, yea!
Congratulations on making a successful recovery.
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Yay, Cam! :-*