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Title: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: icelus on December 12, 2004, 12:57:01 PM
One of the most common oversights made by gamers and modders alike is the lack of creating and maintaining a clean game installation.  Most of us are aware of the "garbled/no text" problem that many people face when installing a mod.  By following the steps listed below, we may all be able to save ourselves a bit of time by making this potentially frustrating problem much easier to cope with.

If you find yourself needing to do a reinstall of the game and do not have a backup ready, don't worry--we've got instructions for you, too (which, consequently, will detail how to make a backup to prevent future occurences.  :))

And now, we have backups available, as well. Reinstall your game in about 30 seconds:

Important note: in most cases, replacing override directory and dialog.tlk is enough. The attached baldur.ini.frombackup may record a different game directory - use your old baldur.ini instead.

ATTENTION: sometimes restoring a clean backup may still mean starting a new game, as your old saved games may be rendered impossible to play.

SoA Backup (http://mods.pocketplane.net/kulyok/cleanSOAbackup.rar)
ToB Backup (http://mods.pocketplane.net/kulyok/cleanTOBbackup.rar)

Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: icelus on December 12, 2004, 12:57:06 PM
TO BUILD A CLEAN INSTALL

1.) Install the original game from the manufacturer's CD(s)
2.) Install the official manufacturer expansion (if any)
3.) Install the official patch for the game (make sure you have the correct if you have installed an official expansion)
4.) OPTIONAL: Install the Baldurdash/Dudleyfix (except for Tutu installations)/Restoration unofficial patches
ATTENTION: Skip this step, if you are going to install G3 BG2 Fixpack (http://gibberlings3.net/bg2fixpack/) at any point in the future.
5.) Run the game's configuration program so that settings can be made to the baldur.ini file
6.) Create a new directory where you have installed the game titled backup[/i]
7.) Copy (do not move) the following files to the backup[/i] directory:
8.) Play the game and install mods, secure in the knowledge that any future glitches can be solved much easier than with a full reinstall  :)
9.) *optional* - If hard disk space is at a premium for you, you can zip/rar up this backup directory, and even burn it to a CD


**: NB - While not officially endorsed, if you decide to use a no-CD crack, you will need to run it before you copy the *.exe file into the backup directory.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: icelus on December 12, 2004, 01:00:50 PM
TO RESTORE A CLEAN INSTALL

1.) Delete the file weidu.log[/i] from the game's main directory
2.) Delete the entire override folder from the game's main directory
2.) Copy (do not move) the following files from the backup[/i] directory to the game's main directory (answer "yes" when asked if you'd like to overwrite existing files):
8.) Your game should now be restored to its original state.  Reinstallation not necessary.  :)
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: icelus on December 12, 2004, 01:20:10 PM
REINSTALLING WITHOUT A BACKUP

1.) Delete the file weidu.log[/i] from the game's main directory
2.) Delete the entire override folder from the game's main directory
3.) Install the original game from the manufacturer's CD(s)
4.) Install the official manufacturer expansion (if any)
5.) Install the official patch for the game (make sure you have the correct if you have installed an official expansion)
6.) OPTIONAL: Install the Baldurdash/Dudleyfix (except for Tutu installations)/Restoration unofficial patches
ATTENTION: Skip this step, if you are going to install G3 BG2 Fixpack (http://gibberlings3.net/bg2fixpack/) at any point in the future.
7.) Run the game's configuration program so that settings can be made to the baldur.ini file
8.) Create a new directory where you have installed the game titled backup[/i]
9.) Copy (do not move) the following files to the backup[/i] directory:
10.) Play the game and install mods, secure in the knowledge that any future glitches can be solved much easier than with a full reinstall  :)
11.) *optional* - If hard disk space is at a premium for you, you can zip/rar up this backup directory, and even burn it to a CD


**: NB - While not officially endorsed, if you decide to use a no-CD crack, you will need to run it before you copy the *.exe file into the backup directory.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: icelus on December 19, 2004, 03:59:47 PM
INSTALLING THE GAME AND MODS ON A LINUX SYSTEM

Voltago has done a good job of putting together an instruction guide on installing the game and various mods on a Linux system. 

Details are here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=243593
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Ender on December 09, 2006, 06:07:18 AM
TO BUILD A CLEAN INSTALL

1.) Install the original game from the manufacturer's CD(s)
2.) Install the official manufacturer expansion (if any)
3.) Install the official patch for the game (make sure you have the correct if you have installed an official expansion)
4.) OPTIONAL: Install the Baldurdash/Dudleyfix (except for Tutu installations)/Restoration unofficial patches
5.) Run the game's configuration program so that settings can be made to the baldur.ini file
6.) Create a new directory where you have installed the game titled backup[/i]
7.) Copy (do not move) the following files to the backup[/i] directory:
  • dialog.tlk
  • chitin.key
  • baldur.ini
  • bgmain.exe/bgmain.exe/idmain.exe/iwd2.exe/torment.exe (depending on the game)**
  • the entire override folder (not just the contents--copy the ENTIRE folder)
8.) Play the game and install mods, secure in the knowledge that any future glitches can be solved much easier than with a full reinstall :)
9.) *optional* - If hard disk space is at a premium for you, you can zip/rar up this backup directory, and even burn it to a CD


**: NB - While not officially endorsed, if you decide to use a no-CD crack, you will need to run it before you copy the *.exe file into the backup directory.

This is a bit dated. Do Not include the optional step 4: Install Baldurdash/Dudleyfix etc., if you are going to install the BGIIFixPack (found at http://www.gibberlings3.net/).  Create your backup files before installing anything except the official patch.
Same with Reinstalling Without a Backup, step 6.
Installing the BGIIFixPack on top of Baldurdash, etc. will severely mess up your game.

I know this thread is old, but it is still the most obvious reference to building a clean backup if you do a search, and since I am now in the middle of recovering from installing the BGIIFixPack on top of Baldurdash (I created my clean files long ago, and forgot about Baldurdash), I thought updating this thread might save someone else the headache.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: thankful on December 20, 2006, 06:51:12 PM
It did. Thanks.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on April 03, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
And now, you can also get your SoA, ToB and EasyTUTU backups here, ready and waiting. :)
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: liriodendron on June 10, 2007, 11:53:17 AM
I followed these instructions but when trying to run the game once more after copying the appropriate files, I get this error message.   An assertion failed in ChDimm.Cpp at line number 599   Programmer says: Unable to open BIF:data\HdOGMosc.bif.  What do I do now?
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on June 10, 2007, 12:50:58 PM
You have to download HdOGMosc.bif somewhere - either buy a new disc, or try and clean the existing one, or google it around.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: liriodendron on June 11, 2007, 02:39:36 PM
It doesn't seem to be the disk...when I did the re-install the long way, the game started up normally.  I did a search for that file and couldn't find it on any of the 5 disks, my computer, or google.  I'm really confused about what that file is...where it is...and why I only need it if I'm doing the quick install?! 
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Adam on July 06, 2007, 10:20:34 AM
Does this remove the need to uninstall your mods?  I have been first uninstalling all my mods and then doing this after, because I had always thought this was just to make sure that all your files were back to completely normal because some mods leave little bits of themselves that they can't uninstall.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on July 06, 2007, 11:00:06 AM
You should empty Backup folders of your mods, together with deleting dialog.tlk/override/weidu.log and then, yes, installing them again(without deleting mod folders and installing them anew) should go fine.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Adam on July 06, 2007, 12:32:14 PM
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I already made my backup and its all good. My question is that if you have a bunch of mods install already, and you wish to restore a clean install, do you have to uninstall all the mods manually, then restore your backup? Or do you just replace the override, dialog, etc. right away, without bothering to uninstall your mods.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on July 06, 2007, 12:44:04 PM
You just replace, and after replacing, you have a clean game.

However, you must either
- delete your mod folders present in Baldur's Gate directory and install new mods/install these mods anew from their original exe's/rar's;
- delete the content of the mod directories' backup subfolders and later install them via Setup-Mod.exe from Baldur's Gate directory(without unpacking anything).
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Azazello on July 06, 2007, 06:29:11 PM
Adam, I use your method: uninstall all mods, particularly to clear out the backup folders; then do the steps in the first few posts (minus the outdated bits).

Some of us have discussed some automated options for install/uninstall using weidu in [this thread (http://forums.spellholdstudios.net/index.php?showtopic=26710)].

To all: If the topics in this thread seem too confusing, stick to manual methods described in above posts.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on July 26, 2007, 06:37:10 PM
I followed these instructions but when trying to run the game once more after copying the appropriate files, I get this error message.   An assertion failed in ChDimm.Cpp at line number 599   Programmer says: Unable to open BIF:data\HdOGMosc.bif.  What do I do now?

I have the same problem.  A full install worked just fine, but trying to use this method--no go.  I get the "unable to open" message. Any idea why? Or where on the CD it might be?

Edit to add: I just did a search & it does not show up.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Azazello on July 26, 2007, 07:43:15 PM
I have the file in my full-install BG2 folder. No, I will not email it to anyone.

Did you try disc cleaning, or faking a Full install from a Minimum.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on July 26, 2007, 08:46:57 PM
No.

I actually tried the restore-using-the-backup method twice (Different installs) to see, and got the same message each time. 

A full uninstall/reinstall worked just fine, so it isn't the disks that are at fault.

Edit to ask: Where in the full-install BG2 folder? I still can't locate it, and, since it's working, it must be there.

Edit again to add: BTW, the installs it wouldn't work for were both full installs already.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Azazello on July 26, 2007, 10:22:02 PM
All BIFs should be in the data folder.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on July 27, 2007, 01:03:01 AM
And so it is.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on August 07, 2007, 10:22:10 AM
You know, I tried this method again, using the backups thoughtfully provided, and I *still* got the same message.  I even had a previously saved copy of the .bif to paste in--and it said I was replacing it--and it still didn't work.

Weird.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on August 07, 2007, 11:09:51 AM
Well, .bif file wouldn't be in override - these backups won't have it. You want this file?
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Guest42 on August 08, 2007, 08:05:29 PM
I followed the instructions to make a "clean install" on this thread, and now I am having the very same problem Bookwyrme described. Does anyone know the cause of this error ?
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on August 08, 2007, 09:12:17 PM
Well, .bif file wouldn't be in override - these backups won't have it. You want this file?

Thanks, but I had a copy of it saved already.  It just didn't work--there was actually already one in the folder, but the game would not recognize *it* either.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: DavidW on August 08, 2007, 10:08:10 PM
I think this problem is because the clean-install downloads include a copy of the baldur.ini file, which records where your game is installed. Unless you've got the same install setup as Icelus, you'll have problems. Try using your old baldur.ini file.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on August 09, 2007, 12:31:47 AM
As Kulyok, actually. But, yes, it is not necessary for you to replace _all_ files: 99% of the time, I only replace override and dialog.tlk.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on August 09, 2007, 12:39:24 AM
Ah, ok.  This time, that won't work because my old baldur.ini file is gone, gone, gone, but after this, I shall be sure to keep a copy.  Actually, I'll be sensible and copy all of the proper folders ;)
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bex on August 09, 2007, 12:49:25 AM
All you'd need to do with whatever baldur.ini file you were trying to use would be to open it up with a text editor and make sure that the references to the install path were correct. This would be correct if your game is installed normally to the Program Files on your C drive, for example:

HD0:=C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SoA\
CD1:=C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SoA\CD1\
CD2:=C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SoA\CD2\;C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SoA\CD2\
CD3:=C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SoA\CD3\
CD4:=C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SoA\CD4\
CD5:=C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SoA\CD5\
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: cmorgan on August 09, 2007, 08:18:38 AM
As a side note, under Vista you need to check the forums for the latest reminders about permissions, etc., and on any installs where you have just copied the game folder instead of building from the original disks via full install you need to make sure those pathways are linked to your current install. I had a little trouble figuring out why things were odd, until I realized I havd moved the game folder from D:\BG II - SoA  to E:\BG2, and had not replaced the baldur.ini lines with he correct HD references :)
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bex on August 09, 2007, 03:26:05 PM
Heck, on XP I once restored my own backups to a cloned install and forgot to re-edit the baldur.ini to the correct path for the clone, painstakingly rebuilt the mod stack and then just about had a fit when the game wouldn't run.  :-[
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: guest42 on August 11, 2007, 04:15:31 AM
I think this problem is because the clean-install downloads include a copy of the baldur.ini file, which records where your game is installed. Unless you've got the same install setup as Icelus, you'll have problems. Try using your old baldur.ini file.

Thank you hero, now i can 'clean-reinstall' like all the other cool kids !
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on August 12, 2007, 10:17:55 AM
I shall update the first post, this really seems important.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: a on August 15, 2007, 10:48:07 AM
smack that
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on August 24, 2007, 11:54:02 AM
Do the patches also need to be reinstalled after the reinstall?
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on August 24, 2007, 12:09:48 PM
No, every backup is patched.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on August 24, 2007, 03:40:23 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: vestdan on October 28, 2007, 01:23:13 PM
I followed these instructions but when trying to run the game once more after copying the appropriate files, I get this error message.   An assertion failed in ChDimm.Cpp at line number 599   Programmer says: Unable to open BIF:data\HdOGMosc.bif.  What do I do now?

I get a message like this too, but like 628. How do I fix this, and can I do it while keeping my saves/character/etc?
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on October 28, 2007, 01:38:01 PM
Open your baldur.ini via Notepad and edit file paths there, according to where the game is on your computer.

It's like I've written in the original post:

Quote
Important note: in most cases, replacing override directory and dialog.tlk is enough. The attached baldur.ini may record a different game directory - use your old baldur.ini instead.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Darkmoon on November 24, 2007, 09:36:25 AM
  I'm hoping one of you folks can help me out. I'm completely new to the realm of modding IE games, and I'm just trying to get my monies worth out of BG2 and TOB. I just finished the game yesterday with a whole bunch of mods installed...all of them weidu.  Well I never kept careful track of which mods I had installed (though off the top of my head thereis item upgrades, solifen, banter pack, official patches, tweakpack, maybe baulderdash fix pack, improved bhaalspawn powers, and eseries) and I now want to start a new clean game and take out some of the mods and add some more npc mods and quest mods. I never had a backup of the clean install and when I try to reinstall all of the BGII it restores the old game including the save files and all mods.  I do a full uninstall and a full reinstall.  Any ideas why my old file is restoring itself? Is there some kind of windows back up or something that I'm not catching?

  Any thoughts would be very appriciated.

Darkmoon
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on November 24, 2007, 10:30:08 AM
Just do the following: delete all mod directories(Banter, Solarom, etc), delete override directory, delete weidu.log. For backup purposes, copy your baldur.ini somewhere - or rename the copy baldur.ini.old

Then download ToBBackup from the first post of this thread and unpack all the contents in your ToB directory, except baldur.ini. Keep the backup.

Now install mods and play.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Darkmoon on November 25, 2007, 11:32:13 AM
  Thank you very much, do I need to run the unistaller for the mods or will deleting the override and mod files take care of that?

Darkmoon
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Darkmoon on November 25, 2007, 11:47:14 AM
 I think I just figured out what happened. When I ran the original unistall program, it didn't delete all the mod files. When I reinstalled the game the hard way, it installed on top of all the modfiles that weren't deleted when I ran the unistaller. I deleted all the mod files and have a new question. If i reinstall the came. Can i just copy the entire directory, put it into a seperate folder, then add all my mods, and after I'm done just delete the entire directy and copy the original back into place? Or are there certain things I should save?
  
Again, thanks for the help, I'm enjoying this almost as much as I enjoy the actual game.

~Darkmoon
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on November 25, 2007, 02:05:57 PM
Quote
Can i just copy the entire directory, put it into a seperate folder, then add all my mods, and after I'm done just delete the entire directy and copy the original back into place?

No, this may (theoretically) mess up your registry entries. Just do everything I mentioned in the previous post.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: DavidW on January 08, 2008, 11:53:16 AM
Meant to post this ages ago... the error that lots of people are having when they try to do a clean install is caused because they've got BG2 installed in a nonstandard directory and so some links in baldur.ini are pointing to the wrong place.

To fix this, after you've done the clean install described above, edit baldur.ini. Replace any reference to C:\Program Files\Black Isle\BGII - SOA with the path to your BG2 folder (e.g. C:\Games\BG2 on my install).

I'm reasonably sure that will solve the problem described repeatedly above.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on January 08, 2008, 12:31:37 PM
Yes, I posted "DON'T REPLACE Baldur.ini!" in the first post. I was going to remove it entirely for ages, but never got to that, actually. Okay, will do now.

And I should likely remove Tutu backup, too, since with EasyTutu beta, EasyTutu and BG1 Tutu around, things might become a huge mess.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: DavidW on January 08, 2008, 12:42:02 PM
Oops, sorry - that's what I get for posting in a hurry, I now see we've had this same conversation a few months ago :)

But I guess if people are still making the mistake (I was tipped off to this from something on SP) then yes, it's probably worth you removing it entirely.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on January 08, 2008, 12:55:05 PM
I replaced baldur.ini with baldur.ini.frombackup - this way blunt unpacking won't mess up anything; baldur.ini will still be in place. Removed EasyTutuBackup just in case, too. I think it's still useful - at least, people are downloading it.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: aVENGER on January 31, 2008, 07:24:51 AM
4.) OPTIONAL: Install the Baldurdash/Dudleyfix (except for Tutu installations)/Restoration unofficial patches

Could this part be removed from the Clean Install instructions?

FYI, having the Baldurdash fixes already present in the override folder of a clean installation might cause issues for people who are going to install the G3 BG2 Fixpack.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on January 31, 2008, 07:38:29 AM
I think OPTIONAL does the job already, but, sure, I'll add a "do not do this if you are planning to install G3 BG2 Fixpack" warning.

(By the way, SoA/ToB clean backups do not contain Baldurdash/Dudleyfix/G3Fixpack materials, just a clean installation and the latest non-beta patch).
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Gnick O Thyme on February 04, 2008, 06:39:21 AM
Thanks for posting this.  I've always gone through the painstaking process of uninstalling the whole shebang and then reinstalling if I hate a mod. 
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: plainab on August 12, 2008, 08:41:34 PM
It might be good to include backups for bg1 with/without totsc.

I had had one and made the mistake of dragging and dropping rather than copy/paste.  I didn't realize my error until after bg1 was modded again. I carefully uninstalled each mod in reverse weidu log order. I made a new override backup with the remaining files. I've not had any problems, but it would have been nice to have been able to get a backup copy to download.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on August 13, 2008, 12:15:25 AM
It's not too common, I'm afraid - too big a download for two or three people. ToB backup averages around thirty-fifty people a month, SoA backup - even less. We had EasyTutu backup before, but now that there's an old version, a new version, plus Tutu 4 - it's better just to warn the users to make their own.

So, it's not "BG1 backup is missing", it's "People, make backups! IWD, PS:T, BG, everything! And, all right, if you screwed up, we got help for SoA/ToB".
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: salamander on November 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Hi there. Are there versions of these backups for OS X, by any chance? I have a problem with freezing when the Death Gaze spell is cast that I'm assured can be fixed by using these files -- should I just use the chitin.key and override and dialogue.tlk from the PC version, or will that cause horrible problems? Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on November 22, 2008, 11:48:01 AM
You can make these backups yourself - just do a clean installation, and backup the necessary files. In 99,99% cases override directory and dialog.tlk is enough.

I'm not a Mac-competent person, however, so, if you're still unsure, please, open a separate topic with "Mac" or "OS X" tag - here's hoping a Mac specialist will come by and see it.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: salamander on November 22, 2008, 04:27:29 PM
Right -- fresh install it is. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Ztartrax on February 07, 2010, 05:54:35 AM
TO RESTORE A CLEAN INSTALL

1.) Delete the file weidu.log[/i] from the game's main directory
2.) Delete the entire override folder from the game's main directory
2.) Copy (do not move) the following files from the backup[/i] directory to the game's main directory (answer "yes" when asked if you'd like to overwrite existing files):
  • dialog.tlk
  • chitin.key
  • baldur.ini
  • bgmain.exe/bgmain.exe/idmain.exe/iwd2.exe/torment.exe (depending on the game)
  • the entire override folder (not just the contents--copy the ENTIRE folder)
8.) Your game should now be restored to its original state.  Reinstallation not necessary.  :)


I cant find the baldur.ini file...:(


Baldur (icon), baldur (config), baldur (txt), baldur.err, BG manual and some more, but none ini...:(

Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on February 07, 2010, 11:10:16 AM
Don't worry about it: you won't need it as badly as other files. If you don't have baldur.ini and your game is still working, just backup other files and keep playing as you normally do.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Camille on January 28, 2011, 08:05:56 AM
Hi there,

I thought that this backup was going to rescue me. My dialogs had got confused from too many mods and by TOB disc is slightly damaged so that I can't reinstall. So I created a second installation of BG2 using the Multi-Install tool from elsewhere and then turned it into a clean install using your backup. Unfortunately, I still got confused dialog and other text after I installed a few mods. To test this, I rolled back to a clean install and simply installed one mod (Dungeon-be-Gone) and, sure enough, the tooltip for Jaspar said "Detect Alignment(divination)".

So, I was wondering if I am missing something. I have not installed any fixpack on top of the clean install this time, just the backup and then DbG. Thanks for any help
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on January 28, 2011, 08:19:38 AM
Test this: roll back to a clean install, don't install any mods and make sure your dialog.tlk is the one from ToBBackup directory. And start a new game, of course - old saves can be corrupted. Then, if your game dialogue is okay, you can start installing mods one by one, carefully.


If not, then, yeah, you might want to get a new ToB copy and remove your install althogether. There are some modding technologies called biffing which can change your install for good - which is what might've happened with your installation.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Camille on January 28, 2011, 09:53:24 AM
That was quick  ;D.
It sounds like I might be heading to Ebay, then, as I have done everything you said. The game dialogue looks fine in the unmodded install (not that I have run on for that long). Then I stop, install DbG and start a new game and Jaspar is corrupted immediately. Thanks for confirming this.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on January 28, 2011, 12:41:52 PM
Okay, but before rushing to Ebay, consider that something may be wrong with the mod or the download or the way the mod is installed. Before installing DbG on a clean install, check that DbG's backup folder is empty. Like, completely empty, no 0 or 1 folders.  Maybe it's worth it to download DbG again, then delete all DbG folder, unpack it and install it anew.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Zingy on February 18, 2011, 02:37:22 AM
Howdy. Does anyone know where the official Throne of Bhaal/Shadows of Amn parches are available? All the links on this site to the ones that used to be at Bioware take you to the Bioware website but there are no patches or anything there. Maybe Bioware removed the official patches since the game is so old? I hope not, because I really want to start playing this game again, but I remember without the patch there were lots of bugs and stuff. Any ideas? Thanks!
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Kulyok on February 18, 2011, 03:04:06 AM
I can give you the link to the latest "normal"(Widescreen mod and most other mods require it)ToB patch: http://downloads.bioware.com/baldursgate2/BGII-ThroneofBhaal_Patch_26498_ENGLISH.exe
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Jarno Mikkola on February 18, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
Howdy. Does anyone know where the official Throne of Bhaal/Shadows of Amn parches are available? All the links on this site to the ones that used to be at Bioware take you to the Bioware website but there are no patches or anything there. Maybe Bioware removed the official patches since the game is so old? I hope not, because I really want to start playing this game again, but I remember without the patch there were lots of bugs and stuff. Any ideas? Thanks!
Using a net archive links:

Baldur's Gate (http://204.50.199.15/games/baldurs_gate/support/patches/); the v1.1.4315, without the DirectX 8+ patch, cause those are betas!
Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast (http://204.50.199.15/games/tales_sword_coast/support/patches/); the v(1.3.)5512 without the DirectX 8+ patch, and even though the link says not to patch the Original Saga version, it needs to be patched to gain the most compatible version of the game.
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (http://204.50.199.15/games/shadows_amn/support/patches/); the 23037.
Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal (http://204.50.199.15/games/throne_bhaal/support/patches/); the v(2.5.)26498... DO NOT use the 26499!

The but BG1 & BGII - SoA patches are unnecessary if you have the add on pack, as they already have the patch in them.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on November 26, 2011, 11:36:37 AM
I just ended up going to CNET for it: : http://download.cnet.com/3001-7536_4-10282467.html?spi=932c0c76cbe9e5c379c6651017a6c6a4

The Bioware help page is singularly unhelpful.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on August 31, 2012, 02:23:14 PM
Howdy. Does anyone know where the official Throne of Bhaal/Shadows of Amn parches are available? All the links on this site to the ones that used to be at Bioware take you to the Bioware website but there are no patches or anything there. Maybe Bioware removed the official patches since the game is so old? I hope not, because I really want to start playing this game again, but I remember without the patch there were lots of bugs and stuff. Any ideas? Thanks!
Using a net archive links:

Baldur's Gate (http://204.50.199.15/games/baldurs_gate/support/patches/); the v1.1.4315, without the DirectX 8+ patch, cause those are betas!
Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast (http://204.50.199.15/games/tales_sword_coast/support/patches/); the v(1.3.)5512 without the DirectX 8+ patch, and even though the link says not to patch the Original Saga version, it needs to be patched to gain the most compatible version of the game.
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (http://204.50.199.15/games/shadows_amn/support/patches/); the 23037.
Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal (http://204.50.199.15/games/throne_bhaal/support/patches/); the v(2.5.)26498... DO NOT use the 26499!

The but BG1 & BGII - SoA patches are unnecessary if you have the add on pack, as they already have the patch in them.

These links don't work any more.

The CNET link I posted still does, but I did have to fend off about 3 different programs it wanted to install while it was at it.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: cmorgan on August 31, 2012, 03:58:42 PM
G3 has them in downloads, or at least the ToB one, I believe. I will have to go spelunking for the others.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Azazello on August 31, 2012, 05:15:07 PM
The CNET link I posted still does, but I did have to fend off about 3 different programs it wanted to install while it was at it.

AdBlock (https://adblockplus.org/)? NoScript (http://noscript.net/whats)?
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Bookwyrme on September 01, 2012, 10:11:44 AM
The CNET link I posted still does, but I did have to fend off about 3 different programs it wanted to install while it was at it.

AdBlock (https://adblockplus.org/)? NoScript (http://noscript.net/whats)?

These were the "While you're installing this, why don't you add this as well?" sorts, with the "Yes" button conveniently pre-checked for your convenience. Adblock doesn't touch them. The good news is, you can say no. The bad news is, you have to be sure you do!
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: hook71 on September 01, 2012, 01:40:39 PM
They can be found at http://www.rpgdungeon.net (http://www.rpgdungeon.net) as well.
Title: Re: Building and Maintaining a Clean Install
Post by: Azazello on September 01, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
The CNET link I posted still does, but I did have to fend off about 3 different programs it wanted to install while it was at it.

AdBlock (https://adblockplus.org/)? NoScript (http://noscript.net/whats)?

These were the "While you're installing this, why don't you add this as well?" sorts, with the "Yes" button conveniently pre-checked for your convenience. Adblock doesn't touch them. The good news is, you can say no. The bad news is, you have to be sure you do!

Then NoScript is whaddadoya.

I went to your link before posting above: no popovers, unders, masking, etc. I could see in my browser's statusbar that the site was attempting all types of foolery, but in seconds it got to the download page without having to manually avoid anything.

The only thing--a download(ing) window did not open; I had to click on the 'Click Here' link, which did the trick. Small price to pay.

I use CNET as a test site whenever I make big settings changes in adblock or noscript. CNET's not the worse offender site, it's just popular for testing ad/script-blocking.