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Posted by: Lord Kain
« on: October 15, 2005, 05:05:42 PM »

You can hit people's vulnerable bits with a halberd, a dagger, a club, a staff, or a jumbo jet, assuming you have the strength requirements and proficiency with it.

A Critical hit is hiting people's vulnerable bits. A Backstab is just a critical hit on command for extra special effect.
Posted by: Borsook
« on: October 14, 2005, 12:39:00 PM »

You can hit people's vulnerable bits with a halberd, a dagger, a club, a staff, or a jumbo jet, assuming you have the strength requirements and proficiency with it.
Yeah, D&D has the wrong aproach, a needle is not much of a weapon, but when sticked into a right place it can cause a lot of damage...
Posted by: Ghreyfain
« on: October 14, 2005, 12:24:17 PM »

You can hit people's vulnerable bits with a halberd, a dagger, a club, a staff, or a jumbo jet, assuming you have the strength requirements and proficiency with it.
Posted by: Borsook
« on: October 14, 2005, 10:33:30 AM »

I just ran a test and Silverstar had no trouble backstabbing with... A HALBERD.

Yep, the game checks for backstab-ability by seeing if a thief can use it, which, you mod makes almost all weapons eligible.

I think it's odd to backstab with a Halberd.
you can stab with a halberd...
Posted by: Morken
« on: October 14, 2005, 09:10:14 AM »

I just ran a test and Silverstar had no trouble backstabbing with... A HALBERD.

Yep, the game checks for backstab-ability by seeing if a thief can use it, which, you mod makes almost all weapons eligible.

I think it's odd to backstab with a Halberd.
Posted by: Resonance
« on: August 31, 2005, 06:16:38 AM »

Sorry, guys.  :-[

I'll make a serious effort to be a lot more scientific and thorough in my approach the next time a problem occurs.
Posted by: Borsook
« on: August 31, 2005, 12:42:22 AM »

I'm just back to say: aaaaarrrrggh!
Exactly.
Posted by: Resonance
« on: August 30, 2005, 07:32:11 PM »

I'm just back to say: aaaaarrrrggh!
Posted by: Resonance
« on: August 30, 2005, 06:11:19 PM »

It is working! :)

The irritating thing is that I never got to retry backstabbing with the axe before uninstalling Sims tweakpack components of improved backstabbing and additional racial enemy components (the latter of which I weren't using anyway, so that was mainly because I was lazy, and there was a rumour about that one about)
For what it is worth, right now, at least we are down to one of two possibilities:
either, I was somehow doing it 'wrong', OR the improved backstabbing/additional racial enemy components from Sims tweakpack version 14 has some kind of influence, anyways.

But this time, I'm actually suspicious of how I carried out the experiment the last time...
If my F/T simply never experimented backstabbing with axes versus shortswords on any other than the tougher Duegar warriors from the Tactics mod (the most plentiful opponent in chateu Irenicus when using the improved Ilyich) and therefore simply never managed a hit in time for his backstab to work, that might have erroniously convinced my untrained eye (used no backstabbers playing through BG1) that I simply weren't being allowed to do it... The fact that the shortsword backstabs where an instant success could be attributed to simple coincidence.

My selfsuspicion is made quite plausible by the fact that now, the backstab works every time on the 'imp ilyich' mages, but only rarely on the warriors...
much ado about nothing, I'm affraid. :P

Well, at least I now know it is working.
Posted by: Borsook
« on: August 30, 2005, 12:51:36 PM »

You're asking to see it?

It's a bit long, I might have to warn you. ;D
It might help, I dunno if I personally would be able to help you, but maybe somebody will...
Alternatively you could try to narrow it down - do a backup of Override, chetin.key, weidu log and start uninstalling mods one by one and see if it helps (prepare beforehand a save just before the opportunity), if it doesn't help throw in your backup and... wait for some bright person to think of something :)
Posted by: Resonance
« on: August 30, 2005, 12:29:23 PM »

You're asking to see it?

It's a bit long, I might have to warn you. ;D
Posted by: Borsook
« on: August 30, 2005, 07:06:42 AM »

So, Resonance how about weidu.log? Maybe you've stumbled upon some incompatibility between mods?
Posted by: Hide and Seek
« on: August 30, 2005, 05:07:24 AM »

The way a weapon in BG2 can backstab is if it's usable by single-class thieves.  Which an axe should be, with AoE.  Strange.

Ghreyfain, if you, or anyone else for that matter, has managed to backstab with axes in BG2, I'd very much like to hear about it, so that I can go absolutely and certifiably insane, until I somehow discover how it is done...
My half - orc multiclass fighter/thief is able to backstab with the Stonefire Axe.
I was very suprised by this, but happy indeed.

It doesn't seem to work every time, but I might be doing it wrong.
I don't know which component that allowed me to do so, is it the universal weapons component that is responsible?
If that's the case, thank you! I love backstabs.
Posted by: Resonance
« on: August 30, 2005, 02:08:04 AM »

The way a weapon in BG2 can backstab is if it's usable by single-class thieves.  Which an axe should be, with AoE.  Strange.

Ghreyfain, if you, or anyone else for that matter, has managed to backstab with axes in BG2, I'd very much like to hear about it, so that I can go absolutely and certifiably insane, until I somehow discover how it is done...
Posted by: Borsook
« on: August 30, 2005, 12:04:34 AM »

anyway axes are against 2e logic, you want sneak attack not back stabbing, play IWD1&2 ;) (not trying to be malicious)
Just IWD2, actually.  IWD1 is good ol' 2E :).
Nope. It's 2e, fact, but HOW gave you the option (in the external config) to choose between 2e backstabbing and 3e-like sneak attack, possibly backstabbing was pissing a lot people off (who can blame them?)