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Posted by: Murdane
« on: January 03, 2005, 04:46:26 PM »

Remember, though, that the PC still had to work for his power, just like any other non-godly character.  In some respects, being a Bhaalspawn doesn't make you much different from any other mortal (you still are mortal), and when all else is equal, dragons still think of the core races as "little people".  Even good dragons are going to look down on humanoids as beings who need their protection and wisdom (in other words, they are condescending).
Posted by: SixOfSpades
« on: January 03, 2005, 06:37:15 AM »

Call it a mercy killing of the mentally retarded if you wish, or a lesson to the remaining draconic populace to hold their collective tongue and maybe cultivate some manners.
This is what is called 'tongue in cheek.' Not to be taken literally, but going a bit over the top to attain humor by exaggeration. Hence my beginning the next paragraph with the word 'Seriously.'
Posted by: jester
« on: January 03, 2005, 06:19:03 AM »

I think Six that what you would describe is the behaviour of any common thug with a bloated ego. The fact that he is not intimidated by your fancy gear or your half-breed status doesn't entitle you to do anything. If you want to kill him out of spite that is ok, but a paladin is meant to be a humble person and would not answer to mere words by resorting to violence. I think the term 'mercy killing' is totally unknown for a paladin at least in your use of the word. 'Mercy killing of the mentally retarded'? Wow!
Posted by: Caedwyr
« on: January 03, 2005, 05:26:20 AM »

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Call it a mercy killing of the mentally retarded if you wish, or a lesson to the remaining draconic populace to hold their collective tongue and maybe cultivate some manners.


If this is the type of ethics and moral your paladins follow, I'm kinda worried about what you'd consider evil.† :P


What I've noticed in the recent set of posts, is that people aren't really arguing that killing Saladrex shouldn't have a virtue hit, they just want to beat him at a pissing contest.....
Posted by: NiGHTMARE
« on: January 03, 2005, 04:59:45 AM »

All dragons apparently think that way, so it would appear you're advocating genocide.† Not exactly the proper attitude for a paladin...
Posted by: SixOfSpades
« on: January 03, 2005, 03:57:04 AM »

ToB already establishes that dragons consider draconic heritage to be superior to divine heritage.
Okay, that's it. If Saladrex actually thinks that dragons outrank gods, he needs to be served his ass on a platter (Required: One very very large platter) just for being so colossally stupid. No matter how you look at it, it's honorable: Call it a mercy killing of the mentally retarded if you wish, or a lesson to the remaining draconic populace to hold their collective tongue and maybe cultivate some manners.

Seriously, if Saladrex sees a band of six adventurers decked out in Red, Shadow, Blue, & White Dragon Scale, Dragonslayer, Dragon's Bane, Dragon Helm, Firetooth, Boneblade, Dragon Scale Shield, Belt of Inertial Barrier, and Carsomyr, you'd think he would get the friggin' message.
Posted by: jester
« on: January 02, 2005, 04:43:38 AM »

Given the fact that pesky mortal humans have ascended to godhood who can blame them? Also given the wide array of backgrounds for the various gods they would probably not considered a race. Therefore it boils down to individual power rather than heritage for the PC.

BTW the amount of dragon slaying in SoA alwas bothered me given the fact that they are supposedly epic creatures. Oh well.
Posted by: NiGHTMARE
« on: January 02, 2005, 03:32:09 AM »

ToB already establishes that dragons consider draconic heritage to be superior to divine heritage.
Posted by: SixOfSpades
« on: January 02, 2005, 12:51:44 AM »

What bothers me about the notion of adding a dialogue path to Saladrex that allows the party to convince him that they're on a par with him is that... well, is he going to be convinced? It doesn't seem to me, looking at the dialogue, that Saladrex is terribly likely to make such a concession any time soon.
If it's about power, the party can tell of mighty deeds performed and foes vanquished (after checking certain Global variables and the presence of certain items, like Carsomyr), and perhaps an assesment of the party's overall EXP level.
If it's about bloodline, the PC can mention Bhaal. Even a Dragon would have to give that one pause.
Posted by: Murdane
« on: January 01, 2005, 11:25:03 PM »

What bothers me about the notion of adding a dialogue path to Saladrex that allows the party to convince him that they're on a par with him is that... well, is he going to be convinced? It doesn't seem to me, looking at the dialogue, that Saladrex is terribly likely to make such a concession any time soon.

I agree.  Just about every type of dragon is arrogant to begin with, and red dragons are among the most arrogant of all.  I'm sure Saladrex would find the very idea of the PC convincing him of anything--or changing his mind about something--to be laughable in and of itself.
Posted by: Reverendratbastard
« on: January 01, 2005, 05:59:26 PM »

 oh come on!  to compete or impress or 'match', not to damage.   :P  or prot-firing yrself and having him breathe on you...
 
Posted by: Andyr
« on: January 01, 2005, 05:50:59 PM »

Being a Red Dragon, he'd probably be unaffected by that spell. ;)
Posted by: Reverendratbastard
« on: January 01, 2005, 05:21:40 PM »

 a supra-genius could be allowed to outriddle him or something.
 or someone who can cast dragon's breath...
 
 
Posted by: SimDing0ô
« on: January 01, 2005, 08:11:44 AM »

What bothers me about the notion of adding a dialogue path to Saladrex that allows the party to convince him that they're on a par with him is that... well, is he going to be convinced? It doesn't seem to me, looking at the dialogue, that Saladrex is terribly likely to make such a concession any time soon.
Posted by: Reverendratbastard
« on: January 01, 2005, 01:07:30 AM »

 †i understand that he tested positive for you under a detect evil, maybe a know alignment as well (i'm assuming that's how you confirmed the chaotic part, not that the designers weren't lazy or anything), and that he
 †i was only taking issue with the proclamation of the murderous wyrm, despite having nothing to go by other than the above and ordinary prejudice. †oh, and the stories of [predominantly CN, very trustworthy sources for paladins] githyanki, if you wanted to listen to them...

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†IF he had lived as long as he has with out behaving like a chaotic evil red dragon he wouldn't be chaotic evil anymore.
†absolutely.