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Posted by: Cuv
« on: October 26, 2004, 05:28:03 PM »

ROFL  :o
Posted by: Ghreyfain
« on: October 25, 2004, 04:46:47 PM »

Argh!  Give it up, Quitch.  Our feeble mortal minds can't compete with your super robologic.  You're going to have to accept the fact that you're so much better than us that we'll never fix this horrible problem for fear of being consumed by the raw power of our intellects.
Posted by: Quitch
« on: October 25, 2004, 09:29:06 AM »

I can't speak for the other contestants, but I don't WANT people to download my Iron Modder entry, particularly. I'd much rather they played the good stuff that made it into Quest Pack. As such, I don't feel a need to provide a description that motivates anyone to download it.

That's why the whole review system should be more detailed.  It's interesting knowing what happened, but is it worth downloading and playing?  Right now the reviews don't tell you, and no one is starting a run through for an IM.

The IMs need to decide what they are.  Little mods, in which case we need to know enough to motivate us to download them, or tests in mod skill, in which case the reviews should give us the full run down.
Posted by: julwise
« on: October 24, 2004, 08:23:41 PM »

I can't speak for the other contestants, but I don't WANT people to download my Iron Modder entry, particularly. I'd much rather they played the good stuff that made it into Quest Pack. As such, I don't feel a need to provide a description that motivates anyone to download it.

ha ha, good point. I suppose that the heart of the Iron Modder contest is an exercise for the entrants to test their skills, and getting people to download it is only a small part.
Posted by: Andyr
« on: October 24, 2004, 08:07:48 PM »

I suggest a compromise.

We should add a disclaimer to each individual entry that states "Don't worry.  We promise you that this mod will not format your hard drive."

But... that was my cunning plan for next time!
Posted by: SimDing0™
« on: October 24, 2004, 03:34:45 PM »

I can't speak for the other contestants, but I don't WANT people to download my Iron Modder entry, particularly. I'd much rather they played the good stuff that made it into Quest Pack. As such, I don't feel a need to provide a description that motivates anyone to download it.
Posted by: jester
« on: October 24, 2004, 01:46:56 PM »

That is exactly what M says about privacy. Somehow I never really trust them. :(
Posted by: icelus
« on: October 24, 2004, 01:29:40 PM »

I suggest a compromise.

We should add a disclaimer to each individual entry that states "Don't worry.  We promise you that this mod will not format your hard drive."
Posted by: Bons
« on: October 24, 2004, 01:12:22 PM »

I don't want to change the system.

Ghreyfain's point was that, in most cases, "Imoen talks to X about Y" and "Imoen talks to X about Y leading to Z," gives away the full content of an IM entry. I think we've been pretty straightforward that we would rather keep some things a surprise, even at the risk of confusing people or causing them to not download an IM package.

And for those who really want to know exactly what happens, there is always the option of PMing the author of a component and asking for a full description. You can get more details through private channels. It's harder, in contrast, to take away excess information from the people who did not want to see spoilers in the public forum or ReadMe.
Posted by: Ghreyfain
« on: October 24, 2004, 12:55:38 PM »

But "Imoen talks to X" is about as vague as "Input this CLUA command and go to X.Y coordinates".
Posted by: Quitch
« on: October 24, 2004, 12:47:08 PM »

I beg to differ.  There's a fair difference between "Imoen talks to X" and "Imoen talks to X about Y" and "Imoen talks to X about Y leading to Z".  Anyone who says otherwise is simply trying to disguise the fact that they don't want to change the system.
Posted by: Ghreyfain
« on: October 24, 2004, 11:09:53 AM »

There is no space between "what it does" and "the ins and outs" of an Iron Mod.  They've been made in four hours.  You can't exactly get elaborate.
Posted by: Quitch
« on: October 24, 2004, 04:52:43 AM »

No one is asking for the ins and outs of the mods to be revealed, but if I have no idea what it does then I have nothing to base a want to download on.  As I said, the latest commentry was somewaht better, if a little confusing in parts.
Posted by: julwise
« on: October 23, 2004, 10:13:10 PM »

The point of the lack of commentary is not to deliberately leave you in the dark out of malice (that's the feeling I'm getting from your posts - that you think people are deliberately ignoring you or refusing to listen to you out of pure stubborness) but to protect your gaming experience. Everyone is trying to help you, not hinder you. But you have to meet us halfway.

No no, I don't think people are doing it to be mean or anything. I think they're just standing by their opinion of how Iron Mods are best presented. That's all i'm trying to say. Sorry if it was coming out as being argumentative. If I seemed hostile, it was from slight frustration that I keep trying to explain this, and I keep getting misunderstood and given the same unrelated response. I don't need the other side's opinion explained to me, I understand it. Nor do I aim to change that opinion. All I feel is that we have differing opinions and that they are not compatible, nor are they going to become compatible.

If you wish to know more on my opinion, I understand the point about the mods possibly being ruined by more extensive information but for me personally, that's not as true. I often play games knowing "a step ahead" of what is going to happen, and I enjoy playing them that way. It's fine if other people don't agree, i'm willing to respect their opinions if others are willing to respect mine.

Neriana: It is helpful to know what kinds of things the mods add, particularly about dialogues and cutscenes. Because, I don't really know what the scope of the Iron Modder contest is, it's nice to get some information about it.
Posted by: cliffette
« on: October 23, 2004, 07:10:33 PM »

 :'(

Julwise, think about it this way:
If you knew what was going to happen in each Iron mod, and installed it and played it, you're going through the motions, not playing. You're rereading a book you've read before. You're watching The Sixth Sense after someone told you the ending. You're not getting the full experience.

The point of the lack of commentary is not to deliberately leave you in the dark out of malice (that's the feeling I'm getting from your posts - that you think people are deliberately ignoring you or refusing to listen to you out of pure stubborness) but to protect your gaming experience. Everyone is trying to help you, not hinder you. But you have to meet us halfway.

As for potentially game-destroying mods, each quest is very short, and it is likely you will have a savegame or autosave nearby. Or you could just uninstall the offending mod in question.

Anyway, I'm done. (Again).