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Posted by: alson
« on: September 01, 2002, 12:09:47 PM »

I just checked, and they can 'recognize' the following items:
[ul][li]Carsomyr +5/+6
[li]Celestial Fury
[li]Robe of Vecna
[li]Ravager +6
[li]Crom Faeyr
[li]Foebane +5[/ul]
B)
I guess i was wrong about the SotM....
Any other items, Wes?                    
Posted by: alson
« on: September 01, 2002, 11:56:42 AM »

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Also, is there a list of items Eclipse party reacts to - i mean, they say something about foebane, but not a single word about foa, or sotm?
                   Actually, i think they DO say something about the Staff of the Magi...                    
Posted by: KaPe
« on: September 01, 2002, 10:17:24 AM »

One more thing(not a bug, but...) - since warriors go after worst AC, i just block my priest with mordies, and they cannot reach it, while getting beat up everyone else...
Also, is there a list of items Eclipse party reacts to - i mean, they say something about foebane, but not a single word about foa, or sotm?                    
Posted by: Littiz
« on: September 01, 2002, 05:52:34 AM »

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indeed if we would try without pause then we would get killed
but without the pause option the enemy would be cheatin aswell since it has the power to give different commands to different enemies simutaniously (am i spellin this right) which is a power the player has not (unless you have god like reflexes)

You're right, yet the player has an enormous advantage, he can coordinate his party as a whole, as each party member knew what the others are about to do, so pausing unbalances the odds towards him!
I still think the IA is very realistic, yet we could want it even more deadlier, who knows.

@Alson: forgot...
I knew about Remove Magic 'cause I happened to dispel with it my own CHARM from an enemy!!!! :angry: :P                    



[!--EDIT|Littiz|Sep 1 2002, 12:55 PM--]
Posted by: Feyd-Rautha
« on: August 30, 2002, 05:31:46 PM »

Well done to all and thanks to you westley. It's an awesome fight and a fabulously funny dialogue. I just killed the eclipse myself and Kelsey did all the killing. I have TDD installed and had equipped the robe of Vecna, the Amulet of Power and a dagger from the shadow dragon (-5 spellcasting time, either from tdd or from freedom's reign). As a result Kelsey would cast nearly any spell instantaniously. So the combo was: Imp Alacrity, 4 Remove Magics, Greater Malison and last but not least, 7 Abi-Dalzims. It killed all but the Sorcerer who was a sitting duck for my heavy fighter party.


I personally find the instant spells pretty cheesy and I try to avoid it but sometimes it is fun to look powerful (Kelsey also had the Jan Spectroscopes way :P ; BTW do those do anything?). Kelsey alone could kill anything that isn't immune to all spells or that casts instant time stops.                    
Posted by: El Diablo
« on: August 30, 2002, 09:05:49 AM »

indeed if we would try without pause then we would get killed
but without the pause option the enemy would be cheatin aswell since it has the power to give different commands to different enemies simutaniously (am i spellin this right) which is a power the player has not (unless you have god like reflexes)                    
Posted by: alson
« on: August 30, 2002, 07:26:44 AM »

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Swiftly?! Alson made them swiftly! :P


try without it and you won't think anymore that the enemy is
dumb......
Two seconds and you see only dead party members
                   Thank you, Littiz!
Still, I was in a pretty high level, and playing with a party of six...
It would have been much harder with a party of three, like Wes did it.

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Or improve their buffing... imagine all the Eclipse party
with Kuroisan-like buffing... OUCH!!!!!!
:blink:
IMHO, it's not K's buffing that makes him so hard - it's his equipment. His buffing is important, but if he wouldn't wear the Robe and Cloak of Cheese, he would have been much more easy.

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About the IA, I find it very smart and realistic.
Let me explain:
Just imagine to be there, you're one of the party.
You see all happening fast, surely you don't know what
your companions are about to do, and surely you can't recognize
all the spells that the enemy has active...
Probably you'd just try your most powerful spell, or go with
whirlwind and hope.
They do the same.
I agree. The AI is superb.

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I mean, we can win this battles only thanx to the PAUSE feature
(which of course is the ULTIMATE piece of cheese...)
Sooooo true!! I'm so used to pause, so for me, a pause-less game is harder the soloing a plain thief, no reloads, on insane. Worse then Total Eclipse! :D  :P                    
Posted by: Kish
« on: August 30, 2002, 05:00:33 AM »

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and surely you can't recognize
all the spells that the enemy has active...
I speculated a while ago, on the BG newsgroup, that the reason CharName is described as the most powerful Bhaalspawn, with the most of Bhaal's essence, is not because of the half-dozen low-level priest spells or the wimpy Slayer form, or the eventual pocket plane, or any number of advantages the player has from the fact that it is a computer game.  Rather, CharName has, right from Candlekeep, the Bhaalspawn power of always knowing what spells are being used against him or her.                    
Posted by: Littiz
« on: August 30, 2002, 04:48:21 AM »

Swiftly?! Alson made them swiftly! :P

To improve the challenge there's still a lot to do, player's side...
I'd want to avoid a specific setting of Chain, for instance.
Or face them without resting beforehand, caught a little
by surprise...
Who knows if you have enough left to handle them!
I'm sure Wes could do the IA even smarter, the point is,
is there need to???
Or improve their buffing... imagine all the Eclipse party
with Kuroisan-like buffing... OUCH!!!!!!
:blink:
About the IA, I find it very smart and realistic.
Let me explain:
Just imagine to be there, you're one of the party.
You see all happening fast, surely you don't know what
your companions are about to do, and surely you can't recognize
all the spells that the enemy has active...
Probably you'd just try your most powerful spell, or go with
whirlwind and hope.
They do the same.
I mean, we can win this battles only thanx to the PAUSE feature
(which of course is the ULTIMATE piece of cheese...),
try without it and you won't think anymore that the enemy is
dumb......
Two seconds and you see only dead party members
                   
Posted by: Aubrey
« on: August 28, 2002, 05:43:40 PM »

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WoW!!!!!!!!
I've done it!!! The Eclipse party is defeated!
FIVE attempts needed....
But without cheese absolutely, and, WITHOUT CASUALTIES!!!

Well done, Littiz!

Next I suppose it's my turn. :rolleyes: Okay, I hope I'll do it.

As usual, I haven't read tacticts and things like that; I haven't even read Alson's suggestions and advice here...  No offense, Alson, but I like fighting battles without having read about them, and without knowing what other people did in their games. That's me.  :)


P.S. What do you think about the Sneaks mini-battle? (Yiaks! I hate them! Yes, I know: I hate the majority of BG's monster population...)


                   
Posted by: weimer
« on: August 28, 2002, 05:41:43 PM »

Excellent work, Littiz. I'm glad to hear that you were able to defeat them so swiftly. Nice strategy.

KaPe, if you're not seeing the Total Eclipse within 3 or 4 rounds, it's some sort of bug and you should reinstall.

If you are finding the Eclipse Fight "too easy", you have reached the current pinnacle of BG2 tactics (presuming you also find the Ascension final battle easy, which is likely if the first bit is true). Nothing harder is currently available. :-(                    
Posted by: Kish
« on: August 28, 2002, 05:21:15 PM »

Remove Magic has a chance of dispelling all spell effects, friendly or hostile, but only on enemies of the caster.                    
Posted by: alson
« on: August 28, 2002, 01:10:16 PM »

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Indeed, @Aubrey, that one!
anyway....
....
WoW!!!!!!!!
I've done it!!! The Eclipse party is defeated!
FIVE attempts needed....
But without cheese absolutely, and, WITHOUT CASUALTIES!!!
Only Immie a bit wounded, just a bit...:D
Surely I've been lucky with timings and such...
Congrats, Littiz!
Welcome to the club!  :D

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Immie plainly casts Teleport Field, by Alson's suggestion! ;)
Glad to help!  :)

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ONLY THEN she casts Greater Malison and a couple of Slow
and Glitterdusts, otherwise these would have been dispelled by her own Remove
Magic!!!
I don't think that Remove Magic dispels hostile spell effect like Slow or Malsion... Are you sure on this?

                   
Posted by: KaPe
« on: August 28, 2002, 11:54:57 AM »

"(...)you managed to kill the sorc, i think who has the spell... "
The sorc was last to die, as well as other spellcaster - anti-paladin =] barb =] ken =] druid =] cler =] sorc...
One more question... which fight is easier? Normal eclipse party, or console created (haven't tried the first one yet
 :rolleyes:   , assuming that i don't buff myself too much, only some basics spells, like imp. haste, armor of faith, stoneskin,and hardiness in 1st round, without contingency and sequencers?)                    
Posted by: Userunfriendly
« on: August 28, 2002, 11:49:03 AM »

oopse..

my point is i am absolutely going to have to cheese eclipse...

two fighters and all spell casters....ick...

kape...you managed to kill the sorc, i think who has the spell...

see..alson,  spell immunity is the key...littiz, you should have loaded up jahirea with regen spells...might have made all the difference...protected immie better, and tashia...

had to drop jahiera....getting kelcy for immie...